2011 All Stars Match

[Jigsaw]

lol so your the other guy hey? You just beat my 700 bid. looks like im going into a bidding war hey

 

[Beejay]

I have a suggestion.

Why not have an all-indigenous State Of Origin type game that showcases the best of indigenous talent across the land in its place.

Treat it like a big Corroboree that is the culmination of a week long Indigenous pride festival.

Thoughts?

Don't like it. Isn't modern Australia supposed to be colour blind?

Why not have an all white origin game which excludes all aboriginal people?

 

[A.Snowden]

Gals jersey already at 250 bucks and also his signed boots are up but havent got any bids yet...


none of the indigenous jerseys have had a bid on them atm LOL.

Prince, Ryan James and Presto's jerseys have been bidded on now, that is all haha

 

[NewyKnight47]

i was there on saturday

the indig fans were awful

i heard the words kill the white c#@nts screamed all game

a lady in front of me was helping her kids with there dinner and someone yelled " sit down ya f@#king white madonna jesus c@#nt" at her

i watched husbands hit there wifes after the game when there were blind drunk

i listened to a woman abuse the bar tender for not selling VB then called him a racist white c@#T for not getting her a VB

when ben hannett was subbed he walked past us and was clapping to the fans, then the indig fans started abusing him and threw stuff at him

when the nrl all stars scored the kickers and players were booed

when the nrl all stars scored the fireworks went off once, when the indig scored they went off twice

and before anyone calls me racist, i was at the game with 9 aboriginal friends and 3 white friends and they were all disgusted in there behaviour.


i got heaps more storys too, i tweeted a few and got called racist for telling the truth

I believe you buddy. Hardly racist what you spoke there.

It's completely wrong that they get to go around at free will at the game and shout racial abuse, if a non indigenous person says something back it's all over the news! Absolutely disgraceful!

 

[goodbyepenrithhellosharks]

colour or race IMO should not be used to segrigate football in any way. up our way they have an aboriginal A grade side where criteria states you must be of aboriginal decent to play in this team. while I COULD NOT GIVE A RATS, one wonders about the out cry if whites tried to form their own team

 

[Ryan]

Don't like it. Isn't modern Australia supposed to be colour blind?

Why not have an all white origin game which excludes all aboriginal people?

colour or race IMO should not be used to segrigate football in any way. up our way they have an aboriginal A grade side where criteria states you must be of aboriginal decent to play in this team. while I COULD NOT GIVE A RATS, one wonders about the out cry if whites tried to form their own team

Why have an 'origin' game at all then?
If we cant recognize our natives heritage, why recognize our players state of origin or city\country origin? Why stop there - how are international competitions not racist? What is the purpose of them?

You can represent your town, your region, your state and your country - but you can't represent your indigenous heritage? I am dumbfounded by some peoples attitude towards this. I know we don't live in a perfect world, but honestly, is it really so hard for some people to let them have this?

From my point of view, this concept was never about the 'NRL All Stars', from the get go it was always focusing on Aboriginal Stars and indigenous issues they are working - they just needed someone to play against. It's not the 'white' population that has dismal life expectancy rates, piss poor employment prospects, numerous zero-prosperity communities full of physical & substance abuse ect, ect. FFS - it's just a footy match, let them have it.

 

[ABshark]

I think the All Stars not running out in white jerseys might help.

What colour skin does Benji Marshall have? Or Mateo?

The 'All-Stars' aren't 'All-White.'

 

[Ryan]

i was there on saturday

the indig fans were awful

i heard the words kill the white c#@nts screamed all game

a lady in front of me was helping her kids with there dinner and someone yelled " sit down ya f@#king white madonna jesus c@#nt" at her

i watched husbands hit there wifes after the game when there were blind drunk

i listened to a woman abuse the bar tender for not selling VB then called him a racist white c@#T for not getting her a VB

when ben hannett was subbed he walked past us and was clapping to the fans, then the indig fans started abusing him and threw stuff at him

when the nrl all stars scored the kickers and players were booed

when the nrl all stars scored the fireworks went off once, when the indig scored they went off twice

and before anyone calls me racist, i was at the game with 9 aboriginal friends and 3 white friends and they were all disgusted in there behaviour.


i got heaps more storys too, i tweeted a few and got called racist for telling the truth

The media quite often tell the truth, but what they do is fail to put it into perspective, or blow it out of proportion.

I don't doubt what you experienced Saturday night, and it's disappointing to hear. But you can't throw that blanket over the majority of the Aboriginal spectators, or even isolate that isolate anti-social behavior just to that group. Bulldogs supporters went through the same ****, a minority group caused some problems and the majority of mindless others branded the entire fan base.

Some drunk white men bash their wives too.
The words 'kill the black c#@nts' is used no less(probably more) in my experience. Paul Gallen anyone? :gal:
Plenty of NRL player have been abused and had stuff thrown at them, including Petero
All goal kickers get booed, the supporters with crowd majority determine the level of it
And a difference in fireworks? Really? You noticed that?
I'm sure you've got plenty more stories, as do I, but let's keep them in perspective.

 

[ABshark]

Don't like it. Isn't modern Australia supposed to be colour blind?

Why not have an all white origin game which excludes all aboriginal people?

The thinking goes something along the lines of 'because 'white people' are not a minority group.'

 

[greg_bird]

The media quite often tell the truth, but what they do is fail to put it into perspective, or blow it out of proportion.

I don't doubt what you experienced Saturday night, and it's disappointing to hear. But you can't throw that blanket over the majority of the Aboriginal spectators, or even isolate that isolate anti-social behavior just to that group. Bulldogs supporters went through the same ****, a minority group caused some problems and the majority of mindless others branded the entire fan base.

Some drunk white men bash their wives too.
The words 'kill the black c#@nts' is used no less(probably more) in my experience. Paul Gallen anyone? :gal:
Plenty of NRL player have been abused and had stuff thrown at them, including Petero
All goal kickers get booed, the supporters with crowd majority determine the level of it
And a difference in fireworks? Really? You noticed that?
I'm sure you've got plenty more stories, as do I, but let's keep them in perspective.

seriously mate there behaviour was appalling.

and it was the aboriginals in my group that pointed out the fireworks and the wife beating.

he is a liason officer with the police and his exact words were "And this is why people think we are ****, beacause of the way these clowns are acting tonight. im embarressed to be here"

its a fun game no need for booing didnt hear anyone boo the indig all stars or see anyone throw stuff at them.

andrew johns at one point was walking down the sideline and he ended up having to walk onto the field so he didnt get hit by bottles.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

Johns is a part of the problem and deserves to be bottled by them.

 

[zakspiders]

obviously there are always going to be small amounts of idiots from both sides that will tarnish the experience for everyone.
its hard to highlight positives when negatives spring to mind so readily.i'm not saying we should ignore the negatives either but there definitely needs to be balance and perspective involved.

hopefully time and a bit more understanding from both sides can get it sorted.

 

[goodbyepenrithhellosharks]

Why have an 'origin' game at all then?
If we cant recognize our natives heritage, why recognize our players state of origin or city\country origin? Why stop there - how are international competitions not racist? What is the purpose of them?

You can represent your town, your region, your state and your country - but you can't represent your indigenous heritage? I am dumbfounded by some peoples attitude towards this. I know we don't live in a perfect world, but honestly, is it really so hard for some people to let them have this?

From my point of view, this concept was never about the 'NRL All Stars', from the get go it was always focusing on Aboriginal Stars and indigenous issues they are working - they just needed someone to play against. It's not the 'white' population that has dismal life expectancy rates, piss poor employment prospects, numerous zero-prosperity communities full of physical & substance abuse ect, ect. FFS - it's just a footy match, let them have it.

You deffinatly feel strongly about this issue ryan, so Im not going in to a debate with you.This same debate has been raging for years now and at one stage everyone thought all we had to do was say sorry and all will be well,what has changed ryan, sweet FA. I dont consider myself a racist in any way,but i honestly dont think that proping up our aboriginals is helping them. For things to change, at some stage they must learn to stand on their own 2 feet. how i dont know, when i dont know, who could organize it, i dont know but something has to change that i know.

 

[greg_bird]

the following day i was at wet n wild and i seen heaps of aboriginal fans, all of whih acted like everyone else.

most gave me **** about my sharks tatt but they all wanted to talk to me about footy which was great.

the problem is the grog!

 

[Ryan]

You deffinatly feel strongly about this issue ryan, so Im not going in to a debate with you.This same debate has been raging for years now and at one stage everyone thought all we had to do was say sorry and all will be well,what has changed ryan, sweet FA. I dont consider myself a racist in any way,but i honestly dont think that proping up our aboriginals is helping them. For things to change, at some stage they must learn to stand on their own 2 feet. how i dont know, when i dont know, who could organize it, i dont know but something has to change that i know.

Not as strongly as it might seem, I'm an argumentive person at the best of times regardless of the issue. I'm not Aboriginal or even a descendant, although there are a few across the family tree.

I thought the apology was BS, I posted those thoughts at the time and a year after Rudds media circus. I would have been insulted if it were directed towards me, and I agree - sweet FA has improved since.

You last sentence sums it up " i dont know but something has to change that i know. "
Well the All Stars match is worth a try, teaching and encouraging these kids to stand on their own two feet is exactly what it is design to do. It's an avenue where an elite few can reach out and influence the younger Aboriginal gerneration in a positive way. These kids go nuts over guys like Prince, Campbell, Bowen & Inglis, ect - if they are going to listen to anyone and take notice, getting these guys together in one team and promoting "Learn Earn Legend" is a good place to start.

 

[goodbyepenrithhellosharks]

Not as strongly as it might seem, I'm an argumentive person at the best of times regardless of the issue. I'm not Aboriginal or even a descendant, although there are a few across the family tree.

I thought the apology was BS, I posted those thoughts at the time and a year after Rudds media circus. I would have been insulted if it were directed towards me, and I agree - sweet FA has improved since.

You last sentence sums it up " i dont know but something has to change that i know. "
Well the All Stars match is worth a try, teaching and encouraging these kids to stand on their own two feet is exactly what it is design to do. It's an avenue where an elite few can reach out and influence the younger Aboriginal gerneration in a positive way. These kids go nuts over guys like Prince, Campbell, Bowen & Inglis, ect - if they are going to listen to anyone and take notice, getting these guys together in one team and promoting "Learn Earn Legend" is a good place to start.

While its worth a try and hopefully it will put some young kids on the rite track. But the black versus white idea will never break down the barriers. In fact it will only make them worse. Our nrl game is the best solution, side by side who gives a rats about colour or race, playing for your team is what will pull things together and give all people common ground. Just like this forum while their are many diverse people on here, the common ground is the sharkies and most people will work with that.

 

[Ryan]

While its worth a try and hopefully it will put some young kids on the rite track. But the black versus white idea will never break down the barriers. In fact it will only make them worse. Our nrl game is the best solution, side by side who gives a rats about colour or race, playing for your team is what will pull things together and give all people common ground. Just like this forum while their are many diverse people on here, the common ground is the sharkies and most people will work with that.

The barriers will never break down with attitudes like "Black vs White". Thats where the problem lies. Why doesn't this issue come up at international matches like PNG vs England? Thats about as Black vs White as you can get? It doesn't come up because thats not what it is about - it is about PNG players representing their people of PNG, playing against English players representing their people of England. Due to geographic origin, one team just happens to be predominately white - the other black. Same can be said about sporting events all over the world.

Same goes for the All-Stars match. The Indigenous All Stars are Aboriginal players representing their people\culture\heritage, the NRL All-Stars are representing our code, selected by popularity with the fans. Nothing to do with Black vs White.

 

[goodbyepenrithhellosharks]

The barriers will never break down with attitudes like "Black vs White". Thats where the problem lies. Why doesn't this issue come up at international matches like PNG vs England? Thats about as Black vs White as you can get? It doesn't come up because thats not what it is about - it is about PNG players representing their people of PNG, playing against English players representing their people of England. Due to geographic origin, one team just happens to be predominately white - the other black. Same can be said about sporting events all over the world.

Same goes for the All-Stars match. The Indigenous All Stars are Aboriginal players representing their people\culture\heritage, the NRL All-Stars are representing our code, selected by popularity with the fans. Nothing to do with Black vs White.

unfortunatly thats the way a lot of people perceive it ryan and it does happen internationally. see cricket thread pommy shark v me

 

[Ryan]

unfortunatly thats the way a lot of people perceive it ryan and it does happen internationally. see cricket thread pommy shark v me

And what do you expect to happen then? Cancel all sporting events where a black players vs white players? Restrict all competitions to white vs white and black vs black?

Or maybe we could just take it with a grain of salt that there will always be a minority of people who start racist taunts, and concentrate on the quality of the competition not the colour of the competitors.

 

[goodbyepenrithhellosharks]

I honestly dont know what the best way to go is, but your last line seems close to the money.Intergrated teams also seem like a solution like the nrl, as stated in previous post