2009 State of Origin - Game I

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I'd actually prefer to listen to Peter Sterling, Wayne Pearce, Wally Lewis and Laurie Daley - they've actually played the game, represented their state and their country... and in the case of Daley and Lewis, Captained their country.

The point that I was trying to make was that, in this era of hightened ethnic sensibilities, that terms such as "boy" or "lad" when applied to Indigenous or Polynesian players, would be considered a no-go zone for commentators and journalists... just as Tony Greig (in commentating cricket) has been told to pull his head in by the same broadcaster for his use of language which some may consider offensive.
 

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Channel Nine drops the ball againMelbourne Herald Sun, AustraliaSo let's forget about outing those dozen Cronulla players from inside room 15 of the Racecourse Hotel. Give up on finding that phantom whistler from Penrith, too. Instead call an emergency NRL judiciary meeting and stone the dunderhead responsible. ...

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Channel Nine drops the ball again
By Nick Walshaw
June 04, 2009 12:00am

NORMALLY they play Stand By Me at funerals. But then maybe this was the death of Origin coverage.

Because of all the soundtracks one could use to open the 2009 Origin series, which twit decided on a soppy John Lennon number?

Honestly. Hand straight up.

Which Channel 9 imbecile is given the easiest gig of the night (think AC/DC, Oils, Stones, Lynyrd Skynyrd . . .) and still manages to stuff things up so convincingly.

So let's forget about outing those dozen Cronulla players from inside room 15 of the Racecourse Hotel. Give up on finding that phantom whistler from Penrith, too.

Instead call an emergency NRL judiciary meeting and stone the dunderhead responsible.

Because, sure, Origin has seen its fair share of musical blunders - think Human Nature being booed to and from the stage to sing the national anthem.

And having Evermore sing Running moments before the teams ran out wasn't exactly inspiring either.

Which is perhaps why this coverage was doomed from the start. So bad it made risking swine flu in Melbourne seem a more palatable option. Thankfully the players created a sound all of their own.

Sure, there was no Matty Johns. No Ben Ikin, either.

And Phil Gould was apparently getting paid a pineapple for every use of the word Origin.

What chance they'll have him open with something from My Fair Lady for Game Two?
 

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The best commentators were on the old State Bank Big Game CH 10, Grahame Hughes and Ian Bear Maurice. Bring back the 80s and 90s just a better time all round. Ha ha ha

Origin - Gidley was too involved with little quality for the effort. McManus should be immediately dropped, if anyone was ‘overawed’ it was this guy and he made some vital errors. They need to shift Hayne to fullback pronto, that guy is a proven rep performer and an attacking weapon.

Laffranci was hopeless and Gal should be slotted straight back in, also, can’t agree with Wallace’s game, pathetic, I think Mullen will need to come in the side, plus Wing looked dangerous when he came on, in which case he should be left exactly where he is. The biggest surprise for me was Michael Weyman, he was powerful and by far our best forward, I think he will start next match.

The ref’s sucked bad, they are always terrible and I have said many many times the standard of refereeing in Rugby League is the game’s biggest issue by far. It’s terrible and turning people away from the game.
 

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yeah only cause there was no Sharks players in the blues team.:curse:

Does anyone think that Dougy might be a chance for the next game?
Does gal deserve his spot back in the starting line up?In my opinion he does as know one in the forwards really stood up and they missed his agression.
Any thoughts.
 

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2, the Channel 9 commentary... what's with the blithering hystrionic eidiocy of Ray Warren? That wears very thin... very thin. What value does it add?

As Richie Benaud once said... "Don't try to tell people what they can see for themselves"

He's a caller, that's what they’re meant to do. They have them for just about every televised sport except for cricket.

Would you rather sit there in silence? It would get pretty boring.

Warren is there to call the game. The ex-players are there for the expert commentary.

... and whilst I'm on the subject of Ray Warren, why does he continually refer to Indigenous and Polynesian players as "boy" or "lad" and get away with it?

Very odd indeed - if a player did it to another player there would be a massive scandal... possibly even a huge fine... or maybe even a loss of position and public shaming.

You are reading waaaayyy to far in to it. I think he says that about everyone.

The whole "boy" thing (as in referring to a black person) is an American thing anyway. It holds no relevance in Australia. When you are as old as Ray Warren you can call a 20 year old a boy or a lad. He does it to the white 'boys' too.
 

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The Rovere Report

The Rovere ReportLeague Unlimited, AustraliaMaybe it's a combination of both but in any case you got to wonder will the "coin ever drop" with NRL players in terms of common decency? It is particularly worrying given it came hot on the heels of the Willie Mason incident - a second misdemeanour ...

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The Rovere Report
Written by: Adrian Rovere
Jun 4, 2009 10:45pm

WHERE SUCCESS CAN ORIGIN-NATE

State of Origin is renowned for the number of players who though struggling for form at club level, lift enormously once they don either the sky blue jersey of New South Wales or the maroon jersey of Queensland. And of late, a prime example of that has been Nate Myles.

By his own admission the Rooster forward would be unhappy with his form playing with a club that is shortening all the time for the dread wooden spoon. But lo and behold in the Origin series opener, the abrasive Maroons' second rower-cum-prop was the man-of-the-match amongst the eight interchange players, edging out the Blues' Craig Wing who inexplicably was held back till the 55-minute of the game.

It is irrelevant that the Roosters have been going "like busted's" and Myles' efforts in those games nothing to get enthused over. Yet each and every time he plays for his state he makes a significant contribution in both defence and attack. He was at it again being among the leading hit-up merchants and instigated the marvellous long-distance try to Greg Inglis with a wonderful overload.

CHOOSE NEW BLUES OR LOSE

New South Wales were brave in Origin I and were the victims of some "dusty" calls but they were also the recipients of copious amounts of good fortune.

Of the three tries scored by the Blues, two came from "flukey" kicks, the second in particular by Robbie Farah was presented to him on a platter giving him a saloon passage to the tryline before picking up an unmarked Jarryd Hayne. And Hayne's in-pass as he was going over the sideline, which led New South Wales' opening try to Ben Creagh, had extreme doubt with it seemingly travelling well forward. So where do the Blues go from here?

I would be making several changes because let's not forget Queensland lost centre Justin Hodges very early in the game and with no specialist to fill the position were at significant disadvantage.

My Blues' side for Game II would be:- 1) Patten 2) McManus 3) Monaghan 4) Jennings 5) Hayne 6) Gidley (c) 7) Mullen 8) Weyman 9) Farah 10) Poore 11) Learoyd-Lahrs 12) Creagh 13) O'Donnell 14) Wing 15) Houston 16) Douglas 17) Payten, who has twice the ball skills than Kite and Bailey put together.

Six new faces and a positional switch to get a club combination in the halves. On Queensland, with Justin Hodges virtually no chance for Game II, shift Billy Slater to centre where he has some experience to get arguably the world's best fullback in Karmichael Hunt in the run-on side.

BELLY-FLOP BY BELLY-ACHE

As the famous US marine Gomer Pyle (Jim Nabors) would say "surprise, surprise, surprise" - New South Wales coach Craig Bellamy has blown up deluxe over some contentious calls most notably the no-try ruling against Jarryd Hayne, which I thought was the wrong decision albeit it if he didn't touch the sideline he went perilously close, so I'm not about to "unload" on the video refs over it.

The coach with the most appropriate nickname in "Belly-ache", should stop moaning and groaning about something he has no control over and look at his own performance which was again flawed. He has form for being inept at working the interchange.

In last year's decider which was a home game for the Blues, he not only benched Brett Stewart he left him there for what seemed like an age despite the game situation "crying out" for the injection of arguably the most lethal attacking weapon in rugby league. Queensland clinched the title with a narrow 16-10 win courtesy of a slice of magic from Jonathan Thurston. This time, noted game-breaker Craig Wing was left "chained" to the interchange bench right up until the 55th minute. Joke! Privately Mal Meninga and his coaching staff would have been cheering another Bellamy blooper.

Can you replace the coach mid-series? Why not, if it means enhancing your chances of winning. Flick Bellamy and adopt Queensland's hugely successful model - something I have trumpeted for years - and appoint a Andrew Johns or a Brett Kenny as coach with Brian Smith, Ivan Cleary or John Cartwright filling the role that Neil Henry does so wonderfully well for the Maroons.

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Maroons old-time duo will never fade

Maroons old-time duo will never fadeSydney Morning Herald, AustraliaOur officials rewind, review and even rewrite the rules - as they did with a fine to Cronulla's Paul Gallen over a racist slur - in order to show the public they get things right. But sometimes it ends up wrong. One NRL executive said at half-time at ...

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Maroons old-time duo will never fade
Roy Masters
June 5, 2009

THE packaging and the payment of State of Origin football have changed, the technology is more sophisticated and the coaching is better researched but the essence of rugby league - the grunt and struggle - is timeless.

Origin I was won via the relentless go-forward of Queensland's veteran props when only six points separated the two teams in the closing stages of the match. With the Maroons leading 24-18 and some of their young players showing signs of panic, front-rowers Petero Civoniceva and Steve Price carried the ball from the Queensland quarter, sapping the energy of the NSW pack and extinguishing the Blues' hopes of retrieving the ball in an attacking position.

Honest Petero, whom NSW selector Laurie Daley declared at a pre-game lunch as someone who had "had his time", and Price, whom he deemed vulnerable to being "exposed", sucked the last breath from the Blues.

They are a reminder that footballers don't play State of Origin games just for glory, or even for money, although some of their managers will look greedily at the $1.8 million Victoria's Major Events Company paid the Australian Rugby League for the match, admittedly some of it backloaded at the end of a successful contract.

These men play because it is still their time and place in the 30-year history of a series that continues to confound and confuse, never following a script.

The only certainty going into the match was that the young Blues had to score the first try to grow their confidence and unsettle a Queensland team demonstrating rare - and probably false - bravado in the days before kick-off. Some of the Storm players in the Maroons squad teasingly sent their NRL coach, Craig Bellamy - also the Blues mentor - text messages saying 4-0, indicating Queensland would win a record fourth straight series.

Former Maroons captain Wally Lewis, aware favouritism doesn't sit easily with the Moreton Bay fig tree on the shoulder of the Queensland psyche, warned the team before the match, saying: "They've got to face life in the other direction now."

But instead of staring at a NSW try after eight minutes, they were saved by an uncertain touch judge and a video referee who is as historically as certain of his judgments as the Pope.

When NSW left winger Jarryd Hayne tip-toed down the touchline and seemingly scored, touch judge Jeff Younis stood with his flag by his side, signalling a try but one of the referees must have asked whether he was sure. The doubt must have been enough for one of the two on-field referees, Tony Archer, to send the decision upstairs to the video referee, Bill Harrigan, who was assisted by Tim Mander.

After more replays than re-runs of Friends, Harrigan erased his own doubts with the verdict of "no try", even though he had the opportunity to rule "benefit of the doubt", which would have been a try to NSW.

So a man running only three metres behind Hayne as the winger scampered upfield couldn't make a decision while a man seated 100 metres away could. Why have touch judges?

OK, Harrigan was supplied with the technology that is increasingly both feeding and sheltering officials, with NRL referees' boss Robert Finch saying afterwards, "He [Archer] is lucky he went to the video ref. They've got about 48 different camera angles and slow-mo to use."

But some of us still argue video replays distort reality and we are more confident in the body language of players, particularly the Queensland ones who assumed Hayne had scored a fair try. Hayne was running on his toes, a fact which may have been overlooked by the video referee.

Whereas Four Corners devastated rugby league with its "Code of Silence" report, out there on that rectangular patch of green, "Code of Transparency" would be a more apt description.

Our officials rewind, review and even rewrite the rules - as they did with a fine to Cronulla's Paul Gallen over a racist slur - in order to show the public they get things right. But sometimes it ends up wrong.

One NRL executive said at half-time at Etihad Stadium: "We've given match officials the benefit-of-the-doubt convention and we expect them to use it."

NSW chairman of selectors Bob McCarthy said Hayne would have won the man-of-the-match award if the Blues had triumphed. He was confident about the Blues' chances for the second match in Sydney, saying: "NSW have got more improvement in them than Queensland."

Like many Blues supporters, he lamented Queensland's "rub of the green" with the decisions of the match officials. But if you think back to Queensland's pair of warhorse props in the final 10 minutes when the game was there to go to golden point, the real rub of the green was the evidence of their toil on their grass-stained shorts and sweat-soaked jerseys. Last rites for Petero and Price turned to last laughs.
 
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yeah, weyman was puffing like a steam train after 10 mins.

Really Hitman? I thought Weyman was one of our better forwards, in fact I thought Poore & Weyman were way better than Bailey and Kite? Is it possible I got it completely wrong??
 

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Mate, I agree Kite seemed well out of his depth in that game.

I was impressed with poore coming off the bench.

Im a definate NSW supporter mate, so dont think im bagging the team, because I want to see them win, but the only players that really impressed me were Hayne, Mcdonnell and wing, Farrah was ok too.
 

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Mate, I agree Kite seemed well out of his depth in that game.

I was impressed with poore coming off the bench.

Im a definate NSW supporter mate, so dont think im bagging the team, because I want to see them win, but the only players that really impressed me were Hayne, Mcdonnell and wing, Farrah was ok too.

Not having a go Hitman, just interested in if I’m biased; the big fella is known to me and just want you opinion if I’ve got the blinkers on? Do you think he looked out of place??
 

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Definately did not look out of place on some of his runs, where he did make good meters and didnt seem dominated in tackles like kite did.

I just remember the camera bieng on him at times when he didnt have the ball, like just getting up after a run and he looked gasping for air, thats where my puffing like a steam train qoute came from.

In the end mate him running to exhaustion and giving everything is excellent, if we had more players with that mentallity we`d be much better off.

Id definately pick weyman as first choice prop for 2 reasons, one- its his first origin game, and was probably the hardest game in his life, therefore he knows what to expect, secondly look just how much he has improved in the last 8 months, on his track record its not impossible for him to make significant improvements before the next game.

To answer your q mate, your right when you say he was good for the team, its just that was the first time ive ever seen someone look so stuffed during the game, then 20 seconds later be calling out to take the hitup, which in the end can only be seen as a good thing.

Id def pick weyman and poore again, im not sold on bailey and kite at all, but do we have anyone else to replace them with?
 

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Im also a NSW supporter and I was expecting more from Weyman and Poore I really thought they had a chance to dominate the Queensland pack but it never came about, I might be wrong but I wanted more fire from them two and it never happened
 

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Definately did not look out of place on some of his runs, where he did make good meters and didnt seem dominated in tackles like kite did.

I just remember the camera bieng on him at times when he didnt have the ball, like just getting up after a run and he looked gasping for air, thats where my puffing like a steam train qoute came from.

In the end mate him running to exhaustion and giving everything is excellent, if we had more players with that mentallity we`d be much better off.

Id definately pick weyman as first choice prop for 2 reasons, one- its his first origin game, and was probably the hardest game in his life, therefore he knows what to expect, secondly look just how much he has improved in the last 8 months, on his track record its not impossible for him to make significant improvements before the next game.

To answer your q mate, your right when you say he was good for the team, its just that was the first time ive ever seen someone look so stuffed during the game, then 20 seconds later be calling out to take the hitup, which in the end can only be seen as a good thing.

Id def pick weyman and poore again, im not sold on bailey and kite at all, but do we have anyone else to replace them with?

I’ve been whispering in Weyman’s ear for the last 2 or 3 years to come to the Sharks but it was Wayne Bennett that got him out of Canberra. I’m really happy for him and think he’s improved a great deal, again due to Bennett. I’m sure if picked he would do well.

Your definitely right about our lack of prop forwards at Origin level, I’ve never really been convinced by Luke Bailey at Origin level, I had him stamped never to play for the Blues again a couple of years ago. But alas, we have very few to pick from, mainly due to lack of form. Two or three years ago Mason and O’Meally would have been walk up starts, now they don’t even look 1st grade material.

Just on Prop’s, I think Johnny Mannah could be anything in the game. I really hope he gets plenty of game time from Ricky and keeps improving.
 

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so by the sounds of things your mates with mick?

Whats he like mate? Is he a good bloke?
 

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A star in need of helpDaily TelegraphWE'RE hearing a really big-name NRL player has a drug problem - and a major one. He's a State of Origin player and a ...

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A star in need of help
By Phil Rothfield and Rebecca Wilson
August 01, 2009 7:05PM

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WE'VE had complaints about the behaviour of QRL boss Ross Livermore after the Maroons won the opening Origin game in Melbourne. At the after-match function at the Hilton, Livermore was in a warm and fuzzy state and had to be helped out of the room by QRL chairman John McDonald. Turns out it was Livermore's 65th birthday celebration on top of a Maroons victory - a good enough reason to have a few cold ones.

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Scott just needs a break - or a shrink

Sydney Morning HeraldScott just needs a break - or a shrinkSydney Morning HeraldMunsie said one punter had $200000 on Gold Coast to beat Cronulla at $1.10 yesterday. The punter would have nervous when the Sharks led 6-0, ...

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Scott just needs a break - or a shrink
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Toeing the line

Jarryd Hayne was denied a try playing for NSW in State of Origin I because video referee Bill Harrigan believed he had stepped on the sideline. On Friday night, video referee Phil Cooley awarded a try to Wests Tigers winger Beau Ryan against Parramatta, even though it looked at least as much like he had stepped out. If Hayne's wasn't a try, then how was Ryan's? And vice versa?

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