HaroldBishop
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I hope she's not driving.
ASADA Saga Thread
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I hope she's not driving.
snowman
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i hope she dies
SharkShocked
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Would you if it effected your career prospects later in life?
Do you think those Essendon lads who may go for jobs as trainers or assistants at clubs in the future are not going to be influenced by it? "Nah not him, he was one of those juicers"
Sure you can say they should have asked questions, but either way it happened at the club. Club has been proven to have failed its code of conduct in player safety. So of course you'd imagine there would be some level of dissent over the whole thing.
I find it funny that everyone seems to have this opinion that, because the onus is on the athlete to check what is being given to them, it automatically robs them of their right to then go after the club.
Will be very interesting to see whether or not the players take a class action against the club down there at Essendon.
Very glad we cut deals with our players re legal action.
HaroldBishop
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Personally, I would be checking every ingredient of everything I was being told to take, it's a very simple thing to do these days. If I found anything to be on the banned list I would inform other players and blow the whistle.
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I agree with that sentiment as a fan and general observer of sport.
However, i can accept that the boys club and footy mentality that exists in sport probably lends itself to just trusting the 'trained' medical staff and individuals in the club.
I'm not at all close to anyone that has or plays at that level of sport so i can't really judge on the pressures that may be placed on individuals trying to break into first team.
I can completely see how you may have a situation where by players that buck the trend or players that go down that path of doubting information or supplements that are given / recommended could be putting their own chances at jeopardy.
You would like to think that the above situation doesn't happen. But i could see how it could manifest.
However, i can accept that the boys club and footy mentality that exists in sport probably lends itself to just trusting the 'trained' medical staff and individuals in the club.
I'm not at all close to anyone that has or plays at that level of sport so i can't really judge on the pressures that may be placed on individuals trying to break into first team.
I can completely see how you may have a situation where by players that buck the trend or players that go down that path of doubting information or supplements that are given / recommended could be putting their own chances at jeopardy.
You would like to think that the above situation doesn't happen. But i could see how it could manifest.
Easy to say as old fellas like us but when I was 20 years old I would have kept my mouth shut and done what I was told
HaroldBishop
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I don't think you would these days with the amount of education around about it. They all get taught about it.
djhabib
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Already did. No response. Not surprised.
Some are shyer and less forthright than others eg I'd imagine that Feki wouldn't have been to outspoken to start with. I guess that's where the senior players should be proactive and step in though.
Mr Wright
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Everyone should pepper him on twitter about this.
Shark Magnet
Tiger Shark
In her article today "How Cronulla dodged a bullet" she states the first possible understanding of the difference between us and the bombers. Our indiscretion was over 6 weeks and the bombers over a much longer time period.
She of course cant leave it like that because of her poison pen....
She of course cant leave it like that because of her poison pen....
HaroldBishop
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Just don't read her articles. I don't. Stopped a long time ago.
BlackWhiteBlue
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She just doesnt want to say......'the only difference between the sharks and essendon is that there was a severe lack of evidence that could prove player a took a specified substance. They could never prove that anyone was in fact given a particular drug. Through admission they proved the players took something but not what player took what.
Essendon players undoing was the players wouldn't even admit to taking anything, legal or illegal.
That, and the brickwalling and legal threats against ASADA.
This will be the only time Dave Smiths imcompentance will ever produce something positive.
That, and the brickwalling and legal threats against ASADA.
This will be the only time Dave Smiths imcompentance will ever produce something positive.
Essendon players challenged German laboratory testing in Court of Arbitration for Sport
ESSENDON players challenged the findings of a German laboratory and said tests which were carried out were insufficient to establish whether any of them had taken the banned substance TB-4.
The 48-page Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) report which detailed the panel’s findings also stated the AFL argued that players should be treated as unwitting victims of gross negligence.
In summing up some of the arguments put forward by lawyers for the players, the CAS report stated: “In so far as WADA’s case is based on the findings of the Cologne laboratory, it was insufficient to establish that any player...was injected with TB-4.”
The players maintain they did nothing wrong, with captain Jobe Watson describing the banning of 34 past and present Bombers players as “devastating”.
In another section of the CAS report which deals with legal arguments by the AFL, the document states: “If the panel finds that any player did use a prohibited substance, it was because he was the unwilling and unwitting victim of the gross negligence of others.”
Players Jobe Watson, Mark McVeigh, David Hille, Cory Dell’Olio, Scott Gumbleton, Brent Prismall and Ricky Dyson were all called before the panel at the CAS hearing to give evidence.
In the report, key elements and submissions from players which led to the finding were detailed.
When asked about why he didn’t make a disclosure on doping control forms, Hille, who retired from the game in 2013, said: “You list the things that you feel you need to list...it was just something I didn’t think to list.’’
In reference to his receipt of more than one injection a week, Corey Dell’Olio, who was delisted by the club in 2014, couldn’t specify exactly how many times he’d been injected.
“One time... a couple of times ...a few times,’’ Dell’Olio was quoted as saying in the report.
Midfielder Ricky Dyson, who was also delisted in 2012, told the panel that the doping control form obliged him to refer only to supplements taken within “a period of one to two days”.
The CAS report also stated that forward Scott Gumbleton, who left the club for Fremantle but then quit footy at the end of 2014, conceded that he would have disclosed injections “had he been tested when in receipt of them’’.
It also pointed to comments from Brent Prismall, who now plays for Footscray in the VFL.
“I don’t recall who gave it to me, it was probably just sitting in a pile and I picked it up with the majority of the other blokes,’’ Prismall said, according to the report.
The report went on to state that though several of the players disputed they had been instructed to keep the program confidential, “(the players’) behaviour, keeping the club doctors out of the loop, and failing to record the injections on the doping control forms, clearly justifies such inference being drawn. This was, at its lowest, consistent with an appreciation of its controversial nature.’’
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...t/news-story/7e32ee3ee979b4c4b0269ed54b02693b
Hmmmm...
ESSENDON players challenged the findings of a German laboratory and said tests which were carried out were insufficient to establish whether any of them had taken the banned substance TB-4.
The 48-page Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) report which detailed the panel’s findings also stated the AFL argued that players should be treated as unwitting victims of gross negligence.
In summing up some of the arguments put forward by lawyers for the players, the CAS report stated: “In so far as WADA’s case is based on the findings of the Cologne laboratory, it was insufficient to establish that any player...was injected with TB-4.”
The players maintain they did nothing wrong, with captain Jobe Watson describing the banning of 34 past and present Bombers players as “devastating”.
In another section of the CAS report which deals with legal arguments by the AFL, the document states: “If the panel finds that any player did use a prohibited substance, it was because he was the unwilling and unwitting victim of the gross negligence of others.”
Players Jobe Watson, Mark McVeigh, David Hille, Cory Dell’Olio, Scott Gumbleton, Brent Prismall and Ricky Dyson were all called before the panel at the CAS hearing to give evidence.
In the report, key elements and submissions from players which led to the finding were detailed.
When asked about why he didn’t make a disclosure on doping control forms, Hille, who retired from the game in 2013, said: “You list the things that you feel you need to list...it was just something I didn’t think to list.’’
In reference to his receipt of more than one injection a week, Corey Dell’Olio, who was delisted by the club in 2014, couldn’t specify exactly how many times he’d been injected.
“One time... a couple of times ...a few times,’’ Dell’Olio was quoted as saying in the report.
Midfielder Ricky Dyson, who was also delisted in 2012, told the panel that the doping control form obliged him to refer only to supplements taken within “a period of one to two days”.
The CAS report also stated that forward Scott Gumbleton, who left the club for Fremantle but then quit footy at the end of 2014, conceded that he would have disclosed injections “had he been tested when in receipt of them’’.
It also pointed to comments from Brent Prismall, who now plays for Footscray in the VFL.
“I don’t recall who gave it to me, it was probably just sitting in a pile and I picked it up with the majority of the other blokes,’’ Prismall said, according to the report.
The report went on to state that though several of the players disputed they had been instructed to keep the program confidential, “(the players’) behaviour, keeping the club doctors out of the loop, and failing to record the injections on the doping control forms, clearly justifies such inference being drawn. This was, at its lowest, consistent with an appreciation of its controversial nature.’’
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...t/news-story/7e32ee3ee979b4c4b0269ed54b02693b
Hmmmm...
BlackWhiteBlue
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That last bit sounds awfully familiar
Shark Magnet
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HaroldBishop
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And shafted by Rupert at the end.
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