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I'm reading it differently then, to me it says if everyone is fit that is his bench for the next few games.

Not specifically Rudolf, Hunt or Dale is too odd a version of everyone to me.
Given length I think fair to refer to 'everyone' but leave out Colquhoun.



When you say everyone is that except for some people?
Who are your starter props?
But we know that not everyone is fit, so I think that @Blue_Eyes84 being a good solid member now with a good solid understanding of the game would assume we would all know he meant to except those who are not going to be available for the next few games, decidedly Rudolf, JC, Hunt and Dale.

So I do believe you are reading it differently and not to what he means.
 

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But we know that not everyone is fit, so I think that @Blue_Eyes84 being a good solid member now with a good solid understanding of the game would assume we would all know he meant to except those who are not going to be available for the next few games, decidedly Rudolf, JC, Hunt and Dale.

So I do believe you are reading it differently and not to what he means.
How does he know Toby, Royce and Dale aren't fit for next week?

Hunt was 4 weeks via Pilot update so probably not him, Dale 2-4 weeks and predicted back by NRL.com for round 6, Rudolf was 3-6 weeks so he could feasibly back, our next game is on 3 weeks so it'd be on the earlier side.
Of all of them Dale could certainly be available, within both the range given originally and the nrl.com predicted return. Does Dale count as part of everyone* or not?

I guess if he is starting BHU and Dale and doesn't want to pick Kaufusi what he wrote is still accurate as far as that is his preferred bench.

Given we have people returning, or potentially returning, around that time it is just a bit unclear who is or is not being considered for his preferred bench.
 
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How does he know Toby, Royce and Dale aren't fit for next week?

Hunt was 4 weeks via Pilot update so probably not him, Dale 2-4 weeks and predicted back by NRL.com for round 6, Rudolf was 3-6 weeks so he could feasibly back, our next game is on 3 weeks so it'd be on the earlier side.
Of all of them Dale could certainly be available, within both the range given originally and the nrl.com predicted return. Does Dale count as part of everyone* or not?

I guess if he is starting BHU and Dale and doesn't want to pick Kaufusi what he wrote is still accurate as far as that is his preferred bench.

Given we have people returning, or potentially returning, around that time it is just a bit unclear who is or is not being considered for his preferred bench.
I don't know mate, I was just trying to defend @Blue_Eyes84 and give him some encouragement. No need to turn this into a big argument.
 

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I don't know mate, I was just trying to defend @Blue_Eyes84 and give him some encouragement. No need to turn this into a big argument.
And I was just responding to what he wrote.
Almost all the players you are considering as not being a part of everyone return ‘over the next few games’.

The second half of my original reply even refers to what you’re suggesting the correct interpretation is, doesn’t?
 

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I'd have to think that even if EVERYONE was fit for round 6 imo you will still see Kaufusi and Hazelton start the game and any other returning players coming back via the bench. That has been Fitz's MO for returning middles in the past.

Williams also gets a jersey... and imo there is zero chance that any of Finucane, Rudolf or BHU are not picked if they are available.

Also Talakai stays in the 17. If he doesn't play centre he is on the bench ahead of Hunt, Tuks, Burns or Atkinson. No way Fitz drops him.
 
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Tele article reckons that the chooks haven't fielded a full strength side since the 2019 grand final. Calling on our stats man @BurgoShark to see how this compares for us.
 

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I'm sorry guys. I'm not thinking straight this week.
Not an issue mate, I was just adding/responding to what you said - I did approach it both ways because I wasn't sure what you'd meant.

I do think if we are picking a back for the 17 jersey whether Atkinson has the jump on Iro is a good question, think everyone in here would say they would pick Iro though.

I'd have to think that even if EVERYONE was fit for round 6 imo you will still see Kaufusi and Hazelton start the game and any other returning players coming back via the bench. That has been Fitz's MO for returning middles in the past.

Williams also gets a jersey... and imo there is zero chance that any of Finucane, Rudolf or BHU are not picked if they are available.

Also Talakai stays in the 17. If he doesn't play centre he is on the bench ahead of Hunt, Tuks, Burns or Atkinson. No way Fitz drops him.
Agree with all this
 

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They said Morris is their defensive coach!

Which would make Farah the attacking coach I spose. Where was this kind of defense when Morris coached the Sharks?

Shows how poor the Sharks players were attitude wise and how little respect they showed John Morris as the head coach but that as an assistant with someone else being the head coach/manager how effective and suited Morris is.

I say this because it was Phil Gould I think (who would know with his experience and currently being at a cellar dweller club) that said something along the lines of the hardest part of being mediocre or not having the right staff is getting players to have the appropriate attitude consistently week to week not just a flash in the pan.

And this was why the Tigers and Titans ect have been so so weak for so long, it wasn't really their squad, it was the poor attitude coming from the players in general and it is reflected big time when it comes to how they defend as individuals and a team.

I didn't think much chop as Benji as a choice of coach at this stage of his career (coaching wise) but credit where it's due maybe he has worked some magic on the culture and attitude and unlocked the inherit abilities at that club that have laid dormant and only occasionally reared their head.

Maybe you guys could just wait for @Blue_Eyes84 to clear it up for you both?

Obviously no gave you the talk on how to Internet

I do think if we are picking a back for the 17 jersey whether Atkinson has the jump on Iro is a good question, think everyone in here would say they would pick Iro though.

Iro doesn't make sense to me as a 17, hes an outside back starter unless you want him as injury cover which seems kinda a waste when it's at the expense of another forward or utility type player.

As for Talakai, the more I see him play out of his regular centre position the more I am convinced centre is the only viable position for him anymore.

Despite some early promise shown in the forwards when he came to the Sharks since then he has been underwhelming, poor, mixed/bag, inconsistent in the forwards and fair enough, it's not his regular position.

On the other hand he has regularly been a force in the centres, even from just a meter eating perspective. If we really wanted to slot Iro in at centre and move Talakai back to the forwards I think Sifa would need a proper pre-season there and more than a handful of games to become consistently effective otherwise perhaps we should just leave it alone and take our chances on Iro moving on.

There's still more to come from Sifa in the centres for a number of years and I don't see Iro being able to offer what Sifa does ball in hand.
Our wings are locked down rightly so and on the other side Ramien is finally relising his full potential.


** Gards Inc. would like to apologise in advance if this post was too long and had too many quotes for your small Twitter brain to comprehend while irritating the **** out of anyone too stupid and lazy to use their index finger to scroll down on a forum designed for in-depth discussion on screens bigger than an i-phone.
 

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Which would make Farah the attacking coach I spose. Where was this kind of defense when Morris coached the Sharks?

Shows how poor the Sharks players were attitude wise and how little respect they showed John Morris as the head coach but that as an assistant with someone else being the head coach/manager how effective and suited Morris is.

I say this because it was Phil Gould I think (who would know with his experience and currently being at a cellar dweller club) that said something along the lines of the hardest part of being mediocre or not having the right staff is getting players to have the appropriate attitude consistently week to week not just a flash in the pan.

And this was why the Tigers and Titans ect have been so so weak for so long, it wasn't really their squad, it was the poor attitude coming from the players in general and it is reflected big time when it comes to how they defend as individuals and a team.

I didn't think much chop as Benji as a choice of coach at this stage of his career (coaching wise) but credit where it's due maybe he has worked some magic on the culture and attitude and unlocked the inherit abilities at that club that have laid dorment.

I don't think it shows that at all, although can see how it can be inferred. Morris is too friendly with the boys criticism slid straight through Hannay and on to Fitz. If the coach doesn't have resting bitch face he must be too nice apparently. You can respect someone who isn't constantly scowling, and can disrespect someone who is. Maybe the team did have a poor attitude, or not respect Bomber, but I don't think there is anything that proves that.

Who was our D coach with Morris, I forget, was it Sandercock? If so I wonder where he is now and how their D is.
Not that the head coach can't have input but a non-zero amount of what is implemented comes from the D coach, otherwise you may as well credit Benji for their D now.

Also seems relevant Morris didn't have a full salary cap worth of players to choose from when he was a head coach.

To the second bit I've bolded I don't think it is no coincidence the quality of their players has improved on last couple of years too.
You say earlier it wasn't really their squad but for tigers that was absolutely a factor imo. Squad sucked arse. Sucks less arse now and performs better. Squad and coach both capable of having big impact on that I think.

No doubt a good coach and good systems go a long way.
 

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You make fair points Bort that I don't necessarily disagree with but I think the red flag to me about respect and attitude is while under Fitz sometimes our defense has been less than stella, at times very poor (in part Moylans fault) thinking back to the Morris days it was utterly diabolical, it was incredibly soft, bordering on pathetic at times and this was like week after week. Our middle in particular was really bad despite having big strong lads in there.

SJ was toxic at times.

It's why I hate that Sharks era so much (more than the Sticky era), we were physically and mentally weak and didn't put in for the jersey and do what was necessary. We just knew every week teams were gunna run over and through us, even when we won.

Perhaps they didn't respect Sandmycock either or maybe he just wasn't a good assistant but if Morris tried to address the defense from the seat of head coach it didn't seem to work.

I still think the players viewed Morris as the young ex player substitute teacher like when young Fitler took on coaching the Roosters or young Nathan Brown took on coaching the Dragons. It might work briefly, initially but not in the long run and I wonder how long the players thought JMO would actually be in charge for.

I am not bagging Morris as a coach, it's the players I am being critical of for IMO not stepping up and putting in when we needed them to the most.

I like JMO and wanted him to stay on or at least see out his contract, he was hard done by and did a good job with what he had and we should be thankful for the young guns he brought through and for signing captain Cam.

Everything by comparison is in Fitz favour and it's also why I judge Fitz harsher and hold him to a higher standard because he has so many advantages over what JMO had (which wasn't much)

I relise the Tigers squad has not been particularly good for a while (getting better) but having said that on occasion they would turn up with some energy and their heads screwed on and would actually be competitive, even win a game and look like they wanted to be out there. It showed their was some potential there and it wasn't just talent, or structures or execution holding them back.

If the new coaching staff at the Tigers have found a way to unlock the team mentally and motivation wise it's a good place to start and will go a long way to them becoming a consistent and better than Bottom 4 team. We turned up a few weeks ago with an attitude and energy opposite of to that of the Tigers and got blown off the park by them.
 
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Not saying they specifically did or did not rate Bomber, Sandercock* (Tracey said 'he thinks he's one of the players' read into that how you will) just we did go okay for a trash squad

*he might not have been the D coach then, I can't remember, just name that came to mind

Bomber 2019 conceded average 19
Bomber 2020 conceded average 24
Bomber Hannay 2021 conceded 23
2022 Fitz conceded 15
2023 Fitz conceded 21
So far Fitz 2024 18

So Fitz has had one year worth mentioning, the first year we had a full salary cap back.
Keep in mind also attacks were going nuts when 6 again first brought in, so it is probably skewed against him - we had the 5th best attack that year but yeah, couldn't defend.

A quick google suggests our best 17 from 2020 (preseason) was going to be

Sharks’ best 17
1. Matt Moylan
2. Josh Morris (played 2 games)
3. Jesse Ramien
4. Bronson Xerri (played 0 games)
5. Josh Dugan
6. Shaun Johnson
7. Chad Townsend
8. Andrew Fifita
9. Blayke Brailey
10. Aaron Woods
11. Briton Nikora
12. Wade Graham
13. Jack Williams

14. Jayson Bukuya
15. Braden Hamlin-Uele
16. Billy Magoulias
17. Cameron King

Not exactly a list we look back on proudly and we scraped into finals.
 

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We are currently first on the NRL ladder with our Northies points kicking in early and barring a Storm comeback tonight should stay that way for the next 48 hours

Lap it up boys and girls and be as smug as possible :whistle:
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We are currently first on the NRL ladder with our Northies points kicking in early and barring a Storm comeback tonight should stay that way for the next 48 hours

Lap it up boys and girls and be as smug as possible :whistle:
😎:shark:😌
Storm come back you say?
 

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We are currently first on the NRL ladder with our Northies points kicking in early and barring a Storm comeback tonight should stay that way for the next 48 hours

Lap it up boys and girls and be as smug as possible :whistle:
😎:shark:😌
Just like my sex life, it was good whilst it lasted.
 
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