Official Nicho Hynes

bort said:

Flanno was U20s halfback of the year. Standing out in juniors doesn’t guarantee anything.

Trindall must be good because Mam is just isn’t enough evidence for me, especially when Mam, a halfback, is playing 6 behind ARey they brought it.

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Flanno was/is a decent halfback, his move to roosters stunted his growth mentally, too much pressure for an outsider rookie brought in to replace one of the games best halfbacks who had just gone back to back with premierships. Roosters still made top 4 that year though considering they also had injuries to key players like Keary. Then he ended up going to a struggling club thats trying to rebuild which didnt help. Think things wouldve been different if he stayed and developed further with the sharks. The point of mentioning their experience and development in the halves was that they are genuine halves who have learned and have played as game managers, its in their mindset, compared to a fullback who ended up transitioning full time to a five eighth because he wasnt good enough to perform at his prefered position after injuries. As good as Nicho is, he still needs help, every great halfback/half does. He can still call the shots, be the dominant half, get the ball when ever he wants it playing at 6

Moylan transitioned to 5/8 because he wasn't good enough to play fullback?
Moylan transitioned to 5/8 because we needed a 5/8 and he was available. Then we moved him back to fullback because SJ became available.
Then we/he had ****ed up his legs and needed a half so he transitioned back. He was never not good enough.

I guess I don't have the intimate knowledge about how halfbacks are carefully crafted in a way no NRL coach could ever teach to another player but... hasn't Nicho played as much lower grade halfback as Trindall. How come he isn't up for it but Trindall is? Or he just needs someone to equal game manage with him?

As good as Nicho is, he still needs help, every great halfback/half does. He can still call the shots, be the dominant half, get the ball when ever he wants it playing at 6

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I'm not saying play nobody at 6, I'm saying play the best player at 6. That doesn't mean it is the player you or I think is the best player. The actual best player. It's close enough between Moylan and Trindall I don't know who that is. I'd hope it must be Moylan if coach keeps picking him.

Hynes can still be the dominant half at 6, or he can stay at 7 where he excelled and the player we put in the 6 can do their job to compliment him. If you're changing Nicho to suit Trindall you're doing the wrong thing.
Bulldogs literally just moved their dominant half into the 7 simply to make sure their best player was touching the ball more.

The core concept, that someone who grew up playing halfback and made the NRL, is probably above average as a game manager I am fully onboard with.
The idea that because Trindall was a halfback in jersey flegg he inherently must be better at game managing than someone who has played in the spine for NSW and Australia, a decade in the NRL as a spine player and 80 NRL games as a 5/8 is what I object to.
I accept that he definitely could be, I just don't think we have any proof.

Sharkfox said:

Flanno was/is a decent halfback, his move to roosters stunted his growth mentally, too much pressure for an outsider rookie brought in to replace one of the games best halfbacks who had just gone back to back with premierships. Roosters still made top 4 that year though considering they also had injuries to key players like Keary. Then he ended up going to a struggling club thats trying to rebuild which didnt help. Think things wouldve been different if he stayed and developed further with the sharks. The point of mentioning their experience and development in the halves was that they are genuine halves who have learned and have played as game managers, its in their mindset, compared to a fullback who ended up transitioning full time to a five eighth because he wasnt good enough to perform at his prefered position after injuries. As good as Nicho is, he still needs help, every great halfback/half does. He can still call the shots, be the dominant half, get the ball when ever he wants it playing at 6

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Robbo's approach is interesting... he must have something pretty specific in mind that he's looking for from his halfback. Either that or he doesn't know what he wants... maybe he's just hoping if he cycle's through enough a Cronk will present themselves.

Moylan still wont manage games, its never been his rolewhich is the help Nicho needs. Are we going to see the same thing this halves combo offers and get the same results as last year until 2025 (i hope not). Nicho can and will keep excelling, even at 6, $hit he can get the dally m again playing there, already plays the role so its not a big deal or change. Its not so much catering to Trindall saying he's a better 7 than Hynes so hynes has to move, its bringing in a player in his best position who can do more with his game management skills to help and support Nicho with the workload and also help Nicho excell. The best player at 6 is Hynes and we have a halfback who is proving he's ready for the fulltime gig to support him. I also think Moylan would be effective off the bench, playing in the middle and could bring a spark in attack. Some of the forwards on the bench are not offering alot this season, 1 of them can go (we've also seen backs put on the bench that have sat the whole game out and not be used). You think Moylan can learn new things, he could learn and play a role like Dylan Walker does off the bench. Could be very effective for us having all three play makers in those positions or roles

bort said:

Moylan transitioned to 5/8 because he wasn't good enough to play fullback?
Moylan transitioned to 5/8 because we needed a 5/8 and he was available. Then we moved him back to fullback because SJ became available.
Then we/he had ****ed up his legs and needed a half so he transitioned back. He was never not good enough.

I guess I don't have the intimate knowledge about how halfbacks are carefully crafted in a way no NRL coach could ever teach to another player but... hasn't Nicho played as much lower grade halfback as Trindall. How come he isn't up for it but Trindall is? Or he just needs someone to equal game manage with him?


I'm not saying play nobody at 6, I'm saying play the best player at 6. That doesn't mean it is the player you or I think is the best player. The actual best player. It's close enough between Moylan and Trindall I don't know who that is. I'd hope it must be Moylan if coach keeps picking him.

Hynes can still be the dominant half at 6, or he can stay at 7 where he excelled and the player we put in the 6 can do their job to compliment him. If you're changing Nicho to suit Trindall you're doing the wrong thing.
Bulldogs literally just moved their dominant half into the 7 simply to make sure their best player was touching the ball more.

The core concept, that someone who grew up playing halfback and made the NRL, is probably above average as a game manager I am fully onboard with.
The idea that because Trindall was a halfback in jersey flegg he inherently must be better at game managing than someone who has played in the spine for NSW and Australia, a decade in the NRL as a spine player and 80 NRL games as a 5/8 is what I object to.
I accept that he definitely could be, I just don't think we have any proof.

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Proud Shark said:

You don't think Tricky has a decent boot on him? I'm not proposing he's a Matt Burton/Moses who hammer it, but I thought the first few rounds his long kicking game was great at finding the turf.

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I think he has a decent boot and an above average kicking game in general. I don't think he has a Moses/Cleary boot that can kick you out of trouble when your forwards are being beaten. That is what is being claimed.

Sharkfox said:

Moylan still wont manage games, its never been his rolewhich is the help Nicho needs. Are we going to see the same thing this halves combo offers and get the same results as last year until 2025 (i hope not). Nicho can and will keep excelling, even at 6, $hit he can get the dally m again playing there, already plays the role so its not a big deal or change. Its not so much catering to Trindall saying he's a better 7 than Hynes so hynes has to move, its bringing in a player in his best position who can do more with his game management skills to help and support Nicho with the workload and also help Nicho excell. The best player at 6 is Hynes and we have a halfback who is proving he's ready for the fulltime gig to support him. I also think Moylan would be effective off the bench, playing in the middle and could bring a spark in attack. Some of the forwards on the bench are not offering alot this season, 1 of them can go (we've also seen backs put on the bench that have sat the whole game out and not be used). You think Moylan can learn new things, he could learn and play a role like Dylan Walker does off the bench. Could be very effective for us having all three play makers in those positions or roles

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If Hynes and Trindall are both 7s why does Hynes have to move? If he is not a 7 why did he come through grades playing 7?
The positions aren't legally required to do certain things - yes Hynes could touch the ball just as much and play the same in a 6 but if Trindall is best partner he can also wear 6 and let one of the NRL elites keep doing what he wants. Hynes doesn't need to be the most orthodox pass and kick 7 playing to be great.

The idea that Hynes needs 'game management support' is not proven at all. With Trindall I agree he would have more time to kick early to help get us away from our line, or that Trindall would instead be able to do it - but not if we drop it before then.
If Moylan excels in attack how about we don't have three guys give away dumb penalties or dropping balls to starve ourselves of possession and field position - Trindall doesn't fix that - then we can use Moylan attacking their line instead of worrying about Trindall game managing our way out of an 18+ deficit.

Trindall gives us some more options when we are in trouble, Moylan is better when we are going well. We get in trouble or go well based as much if not more on all the other blokes though.

Penrith lost last two weeks with Cleary and Luai who you seem to rate as better 'game managers' than a Hynes Moylan combo.

Fitz seems content to play attacking football, makes sense he picks the 6 who is best in offence.

I actually would like to try Trindall (in 6), and I do think his kicking could be useful, but i just still do not have evidence of what each of these players offers (or not) as a game manager.
I don't want Moylan off the bench though if he isn't in the team, that one I do disagree on - smaller frame than DWalker and has proven in past chopping and changing roles is not good for his play, plus bench small enough already with McInnes and Graham.

How do we know moylan isn't helping nicho game manage, there is more to game managing then having the ball in your hand

You always see moylan in dialogue with nicho and there has been players and coaches mention how he has a smart footy brain

Maybe he is just talking to nicho about his lush hair

sharks2010 said:

How do we know moylan isn't helping nicho game manage, there is more to game managing then having the ball in your hand

You always see moylan in dialogue with nicho and there has been players and coaches mention how he has a smart footy brain

Maybe he is just talking to nicho about his lush hair

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If Moylan is helping Nicho manage his hair then it's all worth it

Sparkles said:

If Moylan is helping Nicho manage his hair then it's all worth it

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Got a little spray bottle tucked in his shorts to keep it moist

from the games i have been to and from some angles on tv, moyza is the most vocal member of the team in the huddles and getting the game plan message across.

personally i dont see game management in the ressies as one of trindalls strengths and ive been watching since flegg. he had a game a few weeks ago that was crying out for a leader and he was nowhere to be seen.

i like him and he has potential but if you want to replace moylan there is a younger version of him in atkinson, they both have a skill set that tricky doesnt possess

bort said:

If Hynes and Trindall are both 7s why does Hynes have to move?

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He's our best 7 and he is also our best 6, he excells in both positions. Trindall is a straight up 7, it would take him time to get use to being comfortable at 6.

bort said:

The idea that Hynes needs 'game management support' is not proven at all.

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Against stronger, or in form teams he does, and he needs it when its finals, he cant do everything

bort said:

how about we don't have three guys give away dumb penalties or dropping balls

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But thats part of our dna haha

bort said:

Penrith lost last two weeks

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Still top 4, souths are in hot form, tigers showed grit and grinded that game out, they have also been in the contest with most games this season.

bort said:

best in offence.

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Need more from him than just offence

bort said:

I actually would like to try Trindall (in 6), and I do think his kicking could be useful, but i just still do not have evidence of what each of these players offers (or not) as a game manager

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bort said:

smaller frame than DWalker

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Doesnt have to be built like him, got smaller frames who have played that role. Think he also has enough speed to be effective. He's experienced, he can adapt to the role. Not that concerned about bench being light (i dont think it is light), alot of teams dont have all big forwards on the bench, plus fitzy has put a back on the bench and never used the player or used him for little minutes.

Bench gets pretty light (IMO) if it is McInnes Graham prop Moylan

bort said:

Bench gets pretty light (IMO) if it is McInnes Graham prop Moylan

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Big tommy makes 2 haha

Jasonstevenswedgie said:

from the games i have been to and from some angles on tv, moyza is the most vocal member of the team in the huddles and getting the game plan message across.

personally i dont see game management in the ressies as one of trindalls strengths and ive been watching since flegg. he had a game a few weeks ago that was crying out for a leader and he was nowhere to be seen.

i like him and he has potential but if you want to replace moylan there is a younger version of him in atkinson, they both have a skill set that tricky doesnt possess

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How has Atkinson been going defensively for the Jets? Very comparable player to Metcalf from what I saw in Q Cup. Raw speed and attacking ability, but struggled defensively at times.

bort said:

Bench gets pretty light (IMO) if it is McInnes Graham prop Moylan

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Sounds like a plan!

Sharkfox said:

He's our best 7 and he is also our best 6, he excells in both positions. Trindall is a straight up 7, it would take him time to get use to being comfortable at 6.

Against stronger, or in form teams he does, and he needs it when its finals, he cant do everything

But thats part of our dna haha

Still top 4, souths are in hot form, tigers showed grit and grinded that game out, they have also been in the contest with most games this season.

Need more from him than just offence



Doesnt have to be built like him, got smaller frames who have played that role. Think he also has enough speed to be effective. He's experienced, he can adapt to the role. Not that concerned about bench being light (i dont think it is light), alot of teams dont have all big forwards on the bench, plus fitzy has put a back on the bench and never used the player or used him for little minutes.

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Agree with all of that except Moyza on the bench, I'd be dead against that.

Jasonstevenswedgie said:

i like him and he has potential but if you want to replace moylan there is a younger version of him in atkinson, they both have a skill set that tricky doesnt possess

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This is another option i would like to see, how he would go with Hynes at 7

BurgoShark said:

How has Atkinson been going defensively for the Jets?

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Jesus you bang on about defence, it's as if it's like 50% of the game or something.

BurgoShark said:

Sounds like a plan!

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90% of prop is the smirk as you look back at the bloke you just trampled anyway so Moyza is basically set

BurgoShark said:

How has Atkinson been going defensively for the Jets?

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Good question. Looks great in attacking highlights

HaroldBishop said:

Jesus you bang on about defence, it's as if it's like 50% of the game or something.

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sometimes it's more the way we play