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Are there a lot of edge forwards on that list?? Or is it just the way our defensive line works??
Feel comfortable with both of them defending on the edge and never really concerned with their defence.
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List is quite varied, if you go by average instead of total you get

Asi, Wilton, Brailey, KBromwich, DBrown, Nikora, Martin, Grant, Murray, Young, McGuire, (a few nobodies), Olakau'atu, Lane, Mahoney, JKing, Moylan, Leota, Cook, Arrow, Opacic, Koloamatangi, De Belin, Roberts, Carrigan, Sims, Cotter, Capewell, Foran, Jurbo, Robson so on and so forth

You'd like to not hold 3 of the top 6 but positionally the list is fairly varied (other than not many centres, wings, fullbacks). Quite a few on that list would be considered good defenders.
Volume definitely plays a role.

Tactically we may be utilising edges to pressure inside and cut off spreads, I have noticed this at times but haven't been keeping an eye out for it. The edge knows they won't make a great tackle but cuts off the outside, player being tackled ends up offloading but back into middle of field where we have other defenders waiting.
That could be a factor if it is a regular tactic. Hard to tell unless you really watch for it as even Briton (91.9) and Teig (93.6) do have respectable tackle efficiencies.

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Is Blayke a Blayke thing or a hooker thing do you think? The eye test hasn't given me cause for concern so far
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He makes a large volume of tackles so naturally will have a higher volume of ineffectives.
He is 4th overall for average tackles per game with 41.8.
He is also quite small even by hooker standards so he will need help quickly in most of his tackles or there is high risk of an offload. That just is what it is but his overall rate of 94.9 efficiency is not super concerning.
Split that across a 40 tackle game though and it's two ineffectives.

Overall I think his defence has improved this year although has done some odd things on the line at times.
 
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bort said:
List is quite varied, if you go by average instead of total you get

Asi, Wilton, Brailey, KBromwich, DBrown, Nikora, Martin, Grant, Murray, Young, McGuire, (a few nobodies), Olakau'atu, Lane, Mahoney, JKing, Moylan, Leota, Cook, Arrow, Opacic, Koloamatangi, De Belin, Roberts, Carrigan, Sims, Cotter, Capewell, Foran, Jurbo, Robson so on and so forth

You'd like to not hold 3 of the top 6 but positionally the list is fairly varied (other than not many centres, wings, fullbacks). Quite a few on that list would be considered good defenders.
Volume definitely plays a role.


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He makes a large volume of tackles so naturally will have a higher volume of ineffectives.
He is 4th overall for average tackles per game with 41.8.
He is also quite small even by hooker standards so he will need help quickly in most of his tackles or there is high risk of an offload. That just is what it is but his overall rate of 94.9 efficiency is not super concerning.
Split that across a 40 tackle game though and it's two ineffectives.

Overall I think his defence has improved this year although has done some odd things on the line at times.
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The other thing is that a legs tackle which allows an offload is considered "ineffective". There is no way to know whether it was ineffective because it was a poor attempt, or just because the bloke threw it out the back on his way to the deck hot-potato style like the Warriors were doing late in the game last night.

For a hooker, if once or twice a game he chops down a bloke 25kg heavier then him but the guy throws it out the back on his way down, I'd hardly consider it a defensive deficiency for that player. Little guys have to make legs tackles sometimes. The thing to address would be making sure the bigger forwards are arriving in time to wrap the ball up in those situations.
 
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The other thing is that a legs tackle which allows an offload is considered "ineffective". There is no way to know whether it was ineffective because it was a poor attempt, or just because the bloke threw it out the back on his way to the deck hot-potato style like the Warriors were doing late in the game last night.

For a hooker, if once or twice a game he chops down a bloke 25kg heavier then him but the guy throws it out the back on his way down, I'd hardly consider it a defensive deficiency for that player. Little guys have to make legs tackles sometimes. The thing to address would be making sure the bigger forwards are arriving in time to wrap the ball up in those situations.
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I agree but also would say offloads are one of the things which at times have hurt badly in games, so definitely some games too many of those offloads are finding the mark.

There is definitely some percentage of ineffective tackles you could basically just call effective as the offload loses ground or worse.

As I mentioned also, a lot of guys on that list above are considered good defenders. And a lot of rep names or 'in the conversation' names in there
 
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burgess1978 said:
Another thing with his lines: it’s sometimes the ones where he doesn’t get the ball that make a big difference.

I’ve been more critical of Nikora than anyone else (mainly for poor reads or lazy defensive plays) but in general he is improving in those area. Not defending next to SJ helps.

Watching live last night I thought he was really good (I missed the first few minutes of the game though).
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Pity you missed the first few minutes. I needed someone else to say the Warriors were possessed early on and near unstoppable. Thats what I saw live anyway.
 
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Pity you missed the first few minutes. I needed someone else to say the Warriors were possessed early on and near unstoppable. Thats what I saw live anyway.
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Computers broke down at the gate, and had to wait for them to come back up before I could buy tickets 😞 Couldn’t buy them online because you couldn’t take advantage of “kids get in free” online.

I just got my seat as Walsh scored. I’ll have to re-watch the opening exchanges.

First time I’ve sat on the old “hill” side. Great for a night game. The kids were pumped to see Fitz and a few players walk by us coming in/out of the coaches box. We won’t ever get that at Suncorp.
 
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burgess1978 said:
The other thing is that a legs tackle which allows an offload is considered "ineffective". There is no way to know whether it was ineffective because it was a poor attempt, or just because the bloke threw it out the back on his way to the deck hot-potato style like the Warriors were doing late in the game last night.

For a hooker, if once or twice a game he chops down a bloke 25kg heavier then him but the guy throws it out the back on his way down, I'd hardly consider it a defensive deficiency for that player. Little guys have to make legs tackles sometimes. The thing to address would be making sure the bigger forwards are arriving in time to wrap the ball up in those situations.
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You'd think the defensive deficiency is in not having the proper support around your smaller players
 
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Filter to be announced as the new dogs coach.

Dymock set to be one of his assistants.

Nsw to shortly start the search for a new origin coach.
 
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I hope you're sitting down when you get this surprise.

I think Nikora is underrated on this forum.

Smacks f*ckers in defence.

If he's running bad lines talk to the coach. He's just doing what he practices at training. If his line is covered by the defence then the ball distributor should be choosing another option and using him as a decoy.

My main criticisms of him in the past were when he didn't seem to be giving his best. He's not a player that can cruise and put in satisfactory performances. He needs to be in animal mode and I reckon he's been in animal mode most of this season.

In sticking up for him I'm not saying that we break the bank to keep him though. Reasonable offer only.
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I hear you - his defence has been up there with our best, he’s a middle of the road second rower I think that’s where we just expect more from him in attack
 
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Filter to be announced as the new dogs coach.

Dymock set to be one of his assistants.

Nsw to shortly start the search for a new origin coach.
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Where did you see that ?
 
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Filter to be announced as the new dogs coach.

Dymock set to be one of his assistants.

Nsw to shortly start the search for a new origin coach.
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Hahahahaha wow that’s sht for them
 
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Daniel Fifita (roosters) has signed with the Rabbitohs from next season on a 2 year deal.
 
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Sparkles said:
You'd think the defensive deficiency is in not having the proper support around your smaller players
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Supposed to have Dale standing next to him.

Or at least, two of Finucane(102kg 97.4%), BHU (115kg 90.7%), Rudolf (106kg 92.7%), Tolman (102kg 96.1%), Hunt (112kg 93.9%), Fifita (118kg 96.9%), Williams (98kg 97.8%)

Then at 13 McInnes (91kg 97.3%) as the free agent going where needed, which shows Brailey can get his numbers up.

Is the Sharks/NRL stats too generous?
FoxSports have us on the following (and has slightly different numbers for number of tackles etc)
Williams 93%
McInnes 93%
Tolman 93%
Fifita 92%
Finucane 92%
Brailey 90%
Rudolf 90%
Hunt 89%
BHU 85%
 
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