State of Origin 2022

Gumby · Jun 9, 2022

MrDravid said:
I don't think we even used a challenge... not that it mattered, cos the Bunker supposedly checked everything and said it was fine.

It was fine. Happens every single week.

Sparkles · Jun 9, 2022

Having a look back over the play it gets worse for NSW. Teddy was pushing across to the edge, leaving Sims one on one with DCE. If Teddy was expecting Paulo to get across to cover inside a sliding Sims, that's a mistake. If he plugged that hole it would have been 3-3 on the outside. Teddy might have thought Cleary would cover his opposite number, that he lined up facing at the scrum...

Cleary is no-where to be seen, so I guess he wasn't asigned to his opposite number or just stayed on the wrong side of the scrum and decided not to follow DCE. Just checked that, and yep, Clearly didn't take a single step from the scrum base when DCE swept around. That left it to forwards from the scrum to break, swing across and deal with a pretty nippy and nimble DCE. That's one of those effort plays missing from NSW that we were seeing from QLD imho.

snowman · Jun 9, 2022

bort said:
Part of the reason for that imo is the gap between Luai and Munster was the biggest gap on the field between a play and his opposition. Luai was okay but added by far least of the 4 halves.

I thought that was really bad. He was impacted as much as an obstruction they’d call back… hell, he was impacted as much as Cardigan was in the Paulo no try

If that was a no try, then so was Ben Barbas in our grand final because our forwards had a lot of Jesse Bromwich in that scrum.

Its what you do in scrums, hold so you dont collapse.

Sparkles · Jun 9, 2022

snowman said:
If that was a no try, then so was Ben Barbas in our grand final because our forwards had a lot of Jesse Bromwich in that scrum.

Its what you do in scrums, hold so you dont collapse.

Have to agree. It can't be the scrums job to unbind fast enough to form a solid defensive line.

Western Sharkie · Jun 9, 2022

NSW we’re out enthused by QLD all match.
They looked lethargic and slow and QLD “wanted it more”.

Six Again · Jun 9, 2022

Thresher Shark said:
Munster and DCE scrapped a lot harder than Cleary and Luai.

Forget about Klein being the worst referee in the NRL , with the domination of Munster & DCE plus speed of Qld play the ball in 2nd half NSW were lucky the score didn't blow out more .

Just a thought for those complaining , when you are stuck in the car park trying to get out after an Origin game at Homebush with an 80k+ crowd the Ch 9 commentary is actually looking a good option .

snowman · Jun 9, 2022

common said:
That was not a knock on. He wasn't playing at the ball, was making a tackle.

yeh, its a knock on

happens every week

Rob · Jun 9, 2022

No one ever pushes up on Cleary and forces him to rush, defence stands off him all game long, until now!
Longer ruck time and no penalties or restarts helped that but can see teams try it out

snowman · Jun 9, 2022

two teams have really been ****ed on by the 6 agains this year

Manly & NSW

MrDravid · Jun 9, 2022

Sparkles said:
Cleary is no-where to be seen, so I guess he wasn't asigned to his opposite number or just stayed on the wrong side of the scrum and decided not to follow DCE.

Looks like Cleary went one way and Teddy the other? I imagine the important thing is numbers not so much, marking your opposite number.

MrDravid · Jun 9, 2022

Rob said:
No one ever pushes up on Cleary and forces him to rush, defence stands off him all game long, until now!
Longer ruck time and no penalties or restarts helped that but can see teams try it out

Its way harder to do in the NRL cos it gets reffed differently... but if you look at last year's finals series, it was happening then (cos its also reffed differently).

HaroldBishop · Jun 9, 2022

MrDravid said:
Fittler once again proved he's not much of a coach... but surely everyone knows that by now?

I hope Canterbury appoints him just for the lols.

Sparkles · Jun 9, 2022

MrDravid said:
Looks like Cleary went one way and Teddy the other? I imagine the important thing is numbers not so much, marking your opposite number.

Meant opposite number just in respect to it being the 7 directly opposite him at the scrum. By not following DCE Clearly left it to the forwards to cover him and basically hoped there would be an overlap.

Mr Ryan · Jun 9, 2022

snowman said:
two teams have really been ****ed on by the 6 agains this year

Manly & NSW

And both missing the best player in the game

bort · Jun 9, 2022

snowman said:
If that was a no try, then so was Ben Barbas in our grand final because our forwards had a lot of Jesse Bromwich in that scrum.

Its what you do in scrums, hold so you dont collapse.

While I don't think there was no holding in our scrum I do think there was quite a bit of difference, especially in the optics of it where there is clear video showing Paulo trying to pull free and unable to.
And these days the optics of obstruction are a big thing, the slightest touch if you throw your hands up it's obstruction in a try scoring situation.

From last nights video you should now 100% expect props to fully hold each other in scrum.

Proud Shark · Jun 9, 2022

It seems like NSW went in thinking they'd win the ruck through size and got outcompeted by Queensland's effort and line speed in the middle. It would have been nice to see some of our bigger forwards running together or offloading to create some second phase, but instead, we just had a lot of one-out hit-ups from our back 5 all game.

With the ruck lost, the Panthers contingent were really ineffective. Cook had a great first half but then overplayed his hand consistently in the second instead of giving the halves early ball.

Cam Murray is a much better lock for the origin arena for mine, Yeo is great when you're on the front foot but Murray was what we needed last night.

For game 2 id have:
Latrell in - Staggs out (Wighton deserves to hold his spot)
A Crichton in - Sims out (Or possibly Ola'kauatu in who has been dynamic this year)
Murray Starting - Yeo Bench
Papenhauzen in - S Crichton out (he was just a flat-out bad pick on the bench)

apezza · Jun 9, 2022

snowman said:
yeh, its a knock on

happens every week

I hate that that rule and wish it was applied more like a charge down but yes it's a knock on.

apezza · Jun 9, 2022

bort said:
While I don't think there was no holding in our scrum I do think there was quite a bit of difference, especially in the optics of it where there is clear video showing Paulo trying to pull free and unable to.
And these days the optics of obstruction are a big thing, the slightest touch if you throw your hands up it's obstruction in a try scoring situation.

From last nights video you should now 100% expect props to fully hold each other in scrum.

That's ok mate - if it starts occurring more regularly then the NRL will simply add another interpretation to the rules to suit.

Proud Shark · Jun 9, 2022

apezza said:
That's ok mate - if it starts occurring more regularly then the NRL will simply add another interpretation to the rules to suit.

Speaking of rule changes, I'd like one to occur. I think at the end of the game, if the ref calls held before the buzzer then the ball should get played. It's happens all the time now in origin/big games when it's close they just hold down on that tackle so time runs out. As fans, we are robbed of that last play after the siren that is so damn exciting.

If last night finished on a right shift and a try in the corner against a retreating defence, or an amazing try saving tackle it would have been amazing theatre.

MrDravid · Jun 9, 2022

Proud Shark said:
Speaking of rule changes, I'd like one to occur. I think at the end of the game, if the ref calls held before the buzzer then the ball should get played. It's happens all the time now in origin/big games when it's close they just hold down on that tackle so time runs out. As fans, we are robbed of that last play after the siren that is so damn exciting.

If last night finished on a right shift and a try in the corner against a retreating defence, or an amazing try saving tackle it would have been amazing theatre.

The ref can still call a penalty.

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