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Was wanting to talk about Will Kennedy, this is, I stress , my opinion and could be totally wrong. But to me there is an obvious comparison physically , to another fullback, David Peachey of course. But here is the thing, Peachey was like Greg Inglis how his balance was such a beautiful thing to watch, how both players used their long arms to swat away would-be tacklers, and maintain such a fluid motion and seemingly glide across the turf.

I think William does possess that capacity , I just haven't seen him use it with regularity, maybe he is still growing into that particular skill.
So to the men of culture on this forum, I want to ask , do we think he is reading the offence well enough from the fullback position, maybe again I need to be educated;
But doesn't the fullback , like a quarterback on the defensive side, call plays, like read what the offense is doing and call out structures/instructions to his team mates?
To me, and again this is just my opinion, Will just seems to be late, like a full step behind, to the man scoring, like when I look at " brighteyes" from Broncos or Edwards from Penrith, they are there full bodied and right on time to stop scores, even tho in my opinion , brighteyes, seems to get away with shoulder charges, well they would be called under any other circumstances, I believe.
So yes I would like to get the esteemed gentlemen of culture on this forum to enlighten me what is the deal with Will?
Yes, it's the fullback's job to count numbers and to tell players which side of the ruck to fill spaces or shift to. If you watch closely, when a player is running back onside close to the ruck he will often look up at the fullback, who will be pointing. There is also a lot of tactics in this, since from video the coach will have an idea of how the opposition stack numbers, and what to look out for.

Is Kennedy doing this well enough? I'd say yes in most cases. Getting there late on try-scoring plays defending the line is not really an issue, since the fullback will be in the line at the ptb and then push across after the ball has left. Getting there late if there is a break from 30 out is an issue. I think there were some instances of this late last year, but I'd say he's been pretty good at it this season. If a team scores from close to the line, or makes a break with support, 9 times out of 10 the fullback can't do anything.

If you have some examples of when you think he got somewhere late I'll check them out.
 

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Was wanting to talk about Will Kennedy, this is, I stress , my opinion and could be totally wrong. But to me there is an obvious comparison physically , to another fullback, David Peachey of course. But here is the thing, Peachey was like Greg Inglis how his balance was such a beautiful thing to watch, how both players used their long arms to swat away would-be tacklers, and maintain such a fluid motion and seemingly glide across the turf.

I think William does possess that capacity , I just haven't seen him use it with regularity, maybe he is still growing into that particular skill.
So to the men of culture on this forum, I want to ask , do we think he is reading the offence well enough from the fullback position, maybe again I need to be educated;
But doesn't the fullback , like a quarterback on the defensive side, call plays, like read what the offense is doing and call out structures/instructions to his team mates?
To me, and again this is just my opinion, Will just seems to be late, like a full step behind, to the man scoring, like when I look at " brighteyes" from Broncos or Edwards from Penrith, they are there full bodied and right on time to stop scores, even tho in my opinion , brighteyes, seems to get away with shoulder charges, well they would be called under any other circumstances, I believe.
So yes I would like to get the esteemed gentlemen of culture on this forum to enlighten me what is the deal with Will?
Wrong forum?
 

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Was wanting to talk about Will Kennedy, this is, I stress , my opinion and could be totally wrong. But to me there is an obvious comparison physically , to another fullback, David Peachey of course. But here is the thing, Peachey was like Greg Inglis how his balance was such a beautiful thing to watch, how both players used their long arms to swat away would-be tacklers, and maintain such a fluid motion and seemingly glide across the turf.

I think William does possess that capacity , I just haven't seen him use it with regularity, maybe he is still growing into that particular skill.
So to the men of culture on this forum, I want to ask , do we think he is reading the offence well enough from the fullback position, maybe again I need to be educated;
But doesn't the fullback , like a quarterback on the defensive side, call plays, like read what the offense is doing and call out structures/instructions to his team mates?
To me, and again this is just my opinion, Will just seems to be late, like a full step behind, to the man scoring, like when I look at " brighteyes" from Broncos or Edwards from Penrith, they are there full bodied and right on time to stop scores, even tho in my opinion , brighteyes, seems to get away with shoulder charges, well they would be called under any other circumstances, I believe.
So yes I would like to get the esteemed gentlemen of culture on this forum to enlighten me what is the deal with Will?
I’m with you

Feels like there is whole nother level he can get to but he just does what he can instead of putting absolutely everything into it like the top fullbacks do regularly

I don’t think he will ever be elite unless he digs into that bag

TBH it could just be a coach/culture thing which I think is the main reason the whole team goes through it
 

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Was wanting to talk about Will Kennedy, this is, I stress , my opinion and could be totally wrong. But to me there is an obvious comparison physically , to another fullback, David Peachey of course. But here is the thing, Peachey was like Greg Inglis how his balance was such a beautiful thing to watch, how both players used their long arms to swat away would-be tacklers, and maintain such a fluid motion and seemingly glide across the turf.

I think William does possess that capacity , I just haven't seen him use it with regularity, maybe he is still growing into that particular skill.
So to the men of culture on this forum, I want to ask , do we think he is reading the offence well enough from the fullback position, maybe again I need to be educated;
But doesn't the fullback , like a quarterback on the defensive side, call plays, like read what the offense is doing and call out structures/instructions to his team mates?
To me, and again this is just my opinion, Will just seems to be late, like a full step behind, to the man scoring, like when I look at " brighteyes" from Broncos or Edwards from Penrith, they are there full bodied and right on time to stop scores, even tho in my opinion , brighteyes, seems to get away with shoulder charges, well they would be called under any other circumstances, I believe.
So yes I would like to get the esteemed gentlemen of culture on this forum to enlighten me what is the deal with Will?
Meant to say welcome earlier. Welcome! And good on you for throwing out these thoughful posts (y)

I'm not qualified to say, but I think we've all wondered the very same thing. Apparently he's a bigger talker these days, having been pretty quiet on the field. That can only help. I don't think we can blame our defensive issues on his organisation of the defensive line either. It looks more like poor individual reads. He does tend to push guys around the defensive line when he ends up at marker, which is good to see.

I had noticed that he's not always there at the death when we conceed a try, but I'm not sure if that's because he's trying to plug a hole elsewhere (and there's been a few to plug!).

Physically... I think we have to accept that he's just a slighter guy. He's going to get bodied and dragged back on kick returns and isn't going to be jamming an attacker dead in his tracks. He has improved on holding the ball up, so that's progress and leaning into his natural attributes more. I just don't think he's a naturally physical player. He has speed and some great instinct and I hope he develops those so much that the physical side just doesn't matter.
 

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Was wanting to talk about Will Kennedy, this is, I stress , my opinion and could be totally wrong. But to me there is an obvious comparison physically , to another fullback, David Peachey of course. But here is the thing, Peachey was like Greg Inglis how his balance was such a beautiful thing to watch, how both players used their long arms to swat away would-be tacklers, and maintain such a fluid motion and seemingly glide across the turf.

I think William does possess that capacity , I just haven't seen him use it with regularity, maybe he is still growing into that particular skill.
So to the men of culture on this forum, I want to ask , do we think he is reading the offence well enough from the fullback position, maybe again I need to be educated;
But doesn't the fullback , like a quarterback on the defensive side, call plays, like read what the offense is doing and call out structures/instructions to his team mates?
To me, and again this is just my opinion, Will just seems to be late, like a full step behind, to the man scoring, like when I look at " brighteyes" from Broncos or Edwards from Penrith, they are there full bodied and right on time to stop scores, even tho in my opinion , brighteyes, seems to get away with shoulder charges, well they would be called under any other circumstances, I believe.
So yes I would like to get the esteemed gentlemen of culture on this forum to enlighten me what is the deal with Will?
My understanding is there are two general methods of fullback defending a backline play against your tryline

We'll call them spread and trail, not sure those are the best names necessarily, or names an NRL team would use

Spread: fullback expects your defensive system to leave the opposition winger unmarked, that is his man. This is created because the opp fullback also is involved in the play, they may be defended by your centre or winger, leaving a opposition winger open.
Your fullback busts arse along the line to get to his man. Then often shoulder charges him because that seems to be allowed in that circumstance most of the time.

Trail: fullback tracks the ball more at a 'slower' pace, he is watching for a kick or pass back inside to adjust for, or to be a second/third man into a straightened runner to help hold them up. Because he is working to protect against a straighter play, or play back on the inside, he gets to the unmarked winger slower. (edit: this method protects on the inside which gives your line more confidence to slide ("If I get caught flat footed by runner our FB will be there straight away to help") and forces teams to make more high speed passes which can cause errors)

Of course a fullback can always mix and match these choices, especially if he has the pace off the mark to switch from trail into cover with the right visual cue/read. To be able to effectively do this midplay though is really top top acceleration - your brighteyes probably has it.

We seem to prefer to use trail a lot of the time, Will unfortunately not great at assisting with holding up but I do think he is getting better. Also not great at using his weight against decent sized wingers so no particular reason that system would work better.

Runners like Nikora destroy spread fullbacks because they can't react in time to the runner angled back in. Even when he scored on the weekend CNK got a lot on him but Nikora caught him just off balance enough he fought through it.
Teams with good clean spread (which we also have thanks to Will and Moylan in particular, and Talakai tap ons) will often go around trail fullbacks and put the winger in.
Being able to threaten the spread or the straight/unders runner at a high level gets the fullback second guessing and being able to read what they do and make the correct pass lets you beat them. We are excellent at that - good teams just don't let us do it as much as we want to.

You may also see a team play short two or three times then spread it and score and some people might complain why did we waste time going short when we can obviously score out wide? Well we have suckered the fullback into expecting trail is needed with the intention to switch our point of attack on him - it was easy to score out wide because we went short those first few times.
Or vs Warriors if I remember order of things correctly they managed to use spread defence to stop both Ronnie and Sione scoring but then Nikora back on the inside worked, cutting through line and catching CNK off balance.

Will is definitely not a significant physical threat but his ball playing and reading of cues to make offensive decisions is very high level.
 
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I’m with you

Feels like there is whole nother level he can get to but he just does what he can instead of putting absolutely everything into it like the top fullbacks do regularly

I don’t think he will ever be elite unless he digs into that bag

TBH it could just be a coach/culture thing which I think is the main reason the whole team goes through it
I'm not writing off Dykes from being our FB within the next two years
 

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Meant to say welcome earlier. Welcome! And good on you for throwing out these thoughful posts (y)

I'm not qualified to say, but I think we've all wondered the very same thing. Apparently he's a bigger talker these days, having been pretty quiet on the field. That can only help. I don't think we can blame our defensive issues on his organisation of the defensive line either. It looks more like poor individual reads. He does tend to push guys around the defensive line when he ends up at marker, which is good to see.

I had noticed that he's not always there at the death when we conceed a try, but I'm not sure if that's because he's trying to plug a hole elsewhere (and there's been a few to plug!).

Physically... I think we have to accept that he's just a slighter guy. He's going to get bodied and dragged back on kick returns and isn't going to be jamming an attacker dead in his tracks. He has improved on holding the ball up, so that's progress and leaning into his natural attributes more. I just don't think he's a naturally physical player. He has speed and some great instinct and I hope he develops those so much that the physical side just doesn't matter.
Hi and thank you for your welcome, I realized reading your reply , how much I had a deficit in understanding of his role and fullbacks in general, so thank you for educating me.
I mean yes it is just a perception of him appearing late, and a lot is happening in split seconds that can explain that, none of which point to his lack of awareness, skill or talent.
One thing I can say with certainty is, he is safe as churches under the high ball, and he has the trust of the team and coaching staff.
 

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My understanding is there are two general methods of fullback defending a backline play against your tryline

We'll call them spread and trail, not sure those are the best names necessarily, or names an NRL team would use

Spread: fullback expects your defensive system to leave the opposition winger unmarked, that is his man. This is created because the opp fullback also is involved in the play, they may be defended by your centre or winger, leaving a opposition winger open.
Your fullback busts arse along the line to get to his man. Then often shoulder charges him because that seems to be allowed in that circumstance most of the time.

Trail: fullback tracks the ball more at a 'slower' pace, he is watching for a kick or pass back inside to adjust for, or to be a second/third man into a straightened runner to help hold them up. Because he is working to protect against a straighter play, or play back on the inside, he gets to the unmarked winger slower.

Of course a fullback can always mix and match these choices, especially if he has the pace off the mark to switch from trail into cover with the right visual cue/read. To be able to effectively do this midplay though is really top top acceleration - your brighteyes probably has it.

We seem to prefer to use trail a lot of the time, Will unfortunately not great at assisting with holding up but I do think he is getting better. Also not great at using his weight against decent sized wingers so no particular reason that system would work better.

Runners like Nikora destroy spread fullbacks because they can't react in time to the runner angled back in. Even when he scored on the weekend CNK got a lot on him but Nikora caught him just off balance enough he fought through it.
Teams with good clean spread (which we also have thanks to Will and Moylan in particular, and Talakai tap ons) will often go around trail fullbacks and put the winger in.
Being able to threaten the spread or the straight/unders runner at a high level gets the fullback second guessing and being able to read what they do and make the correct pass lets you beat them. We are excellent at that - good teams just don't let us do it as much as we want to.

You may also see a team play short two or three times then spread it and score and some people might complain why did we waste time going short when we can obviously score out wide? Well we have suckered the fullback into expecting trail is needed with the intention to switch our point of attack on him - it was easy to score out wide because we went short those first few times.
Or vs Warriors if I remember order of things correctly they managed to use spread defence to stop both Ronnie and Sione scoring but then Nikora back on the inside worked, cutting through line and catching CNK off balance.

Will is definitely not a significant physical threat but his ball playing and reading of cues to make decisions is very high level.
Wow , your reply certainly demonstrates a deep knowledge and understanding of the game in general and the sharks playstyle in particular, honestly I could replay in my head reading your words the plays you mentioned. Especially about out wingers denied , out wide, but Nikora like a knife thru butter or dagger thru heart aha
Great analysis and does give me more understanding and perspective on not just Will's role and capacity but playing to Shark's strengths.
Thank you!
 

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yeh hopefully we got into 2024 with

hynes 7
trindall 6
dykes
atkinson

kennedy
dykes
atkinson

thats solid depth, there is also taukemo on the books as well
If we are going as deep as Taukamo then Puru can probably get a mention too - think he moves into top 30 next season

So if we don't include Moylan...

7 Hynes Trindall Puru
6 Trindall Dykes Atkinson Puru
1 Kennedy Tracey Dykes/Atkinson Taukamo

I put Dykes/Atkinson with a / as I can't imagine both of them and Connor spending significant amounts of time playing fullback in Cup
If we retain Hiroti he probably sits above Taukamo in fullback depth too based on right now - Taukamo just hasn't played enough footy
 

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One thing I can say with certainty is, he is safe as churches under the high ball, and he has the trust of the team and coaching staff.
And it's another area that he's improved on. It's been great watching his development. As soon as we settle the rest of the team down a bit I'm feeling pretty confident he can step up to another level.
 

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Yes, it's the fullback's job to count numbers and to tell players which side of the ruck to fill spaces or shift to. If you watch closely, when a player is running back onside close to the ruck he will often look up at the fullback, who will be pointing. There is also a lot of tactics in this, since from video the coach will have an idea of how the opposition stack numbers, and what to look out for.

Is Kennedy doing this well enough? I'd say yes in most cases. Getting there late on try-scoring plays defending the line is not really an issue, since the fullback will be in the line at the ptb and then push across after the ball has left. Getting there late if there is a break from 30 out is an issue. I think there were some instances of this late last year, but I'd say he's been pretty good at it this season. If a team scores from close to the line, or makes a break with support, 9 times out of 10 the fullback can't do anything.

If you have some examples of when you think he got somewhere late I'll check them out.
Hi and thank you for replying and educating me , I do see more now, in terms of how the fullback needs to function and a better awareness of what Will does or doesn't do.
Your second paragraph , where you referenced last year, made me think of what I perceived to be true, that this year he seems to be playing slightly different on offence ( like prior to his send off ) , last year he seemed to be more jet sweeping , what I call it anyways, where he chimes in outside the 5/8th, idk, again that may be my perception.
I know the general concensus is on this esteemed platform of able men of culture is Will is the man, I am okay with that

As for examples, well only from say last game , where , and I will confess cannot remember the Warriors player who scored, but Will was right there on the goal line, and the ptb happened and the Warriors player just scooted thru, I just thought Will could've maybe got under the ball to hold him up, but yours and other replies, lead me to conclude, there is a lot happening in split seconds, and so Will might have a solid reason not to stop that score.
Thanks again for replying
 
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