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Will is among the top 3 fullbacks as an offensive player. He tackles as well as any . You are a certifiable imbecile. **** off and die.
There he is. Was wondering when the breeze was going to blow the **** in.
 

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Can you provide any examples over the last few weeks where his positioning was off or he was crap in defence?

I think there's a difference between accepting mediocrity and accepting reality. Accepting mediocrity is being okay with a player being average. Accepting reality is understanding that not every player is going to be a 10/10 every week. Sometimes they just do their role for the team on a given week. If they were 10/10 every week, they'd likely be demanding much more money and therefore not in the side.

As much as I'd like Kennedy, Moylan and Brailey to be Turbo, Munster and Grant, they just aren't.

Our side put in a great team performance against the chooks, that required everyone to be doing their part. This week Nicho was the star that got us over the line. In other weeks it has been Will.
I agree with the game against the chooks. Good team performance. I watch our games 2 or 3 times after the actual game. I guess I see things differently than most 'fans'.
 
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I agree with the game against the chooks. Good team performance. I watch our games 2 or 3 times after the actual game. I guess I see things differently than most 'fans'.
Well in your two or three watches can you share some instances in which his positioning or defence was as bad as you say? Genuinely asking, as if you're going to ask people 'what did he do that was good' you should back it up with specifics of what you think he did poorly.

I think he's been better in both these areas over last year. I do agree with the backing up through the ruck and wish he would do that more.
 

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Well in your two or three watches can you share some instances in which his positioning or defence was as bad as you say? Genuinely asking, as if you're going to ask people 'what did he do that was good' you should back it up with specifics of what you think he did poorly.

I think he's been better in both these areas over last year. I do agree with the backing up through the ruck and wish he would do that more.
I shouldn't have too. It's clear as day when you watch his performances over the past 18 months.
 
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I shouldn't have too. It's clear as day when you watch his performances over the past 18 months.
Haha well unfortunately that's generally how validity in arguments work. If you make a claim, you should be able to back it up.

If we're talking about 18 months we're including both the beginning of last year, and this season. Also the back end of last year. In each of these periods, his form was very different. So much so that I don't think you could lay a brush over that whole time. But you would know that, because you've watched all the games 2-3 times and it's clear as day, right?

So are you saying Will is performing the same way this season as he was late last year?
 

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I will add my opinion, he has started the year ok, worked hard and got an contract extension, I’m happy for the guy.

But positioning in defence needs work still, and and could get more involved in attack.

I think in Wills case, as long as he ain’t going for phantom intercepts, being caught out in position and coming up with non attempts at tackles, people will say he is playing really well. I think that’s setting the bar low.

I’m sure Will is still working on his game behind the scenes, and if he keeps it up, he could be a star. At the moment he is just a solid fullback.

I don’t think he has been tested that much in defence this year either, we are leaking points but they’re close to the line. I want to see will come up with a try saving tackle or 2. That would mean he has figured his positioning in defence and is also willing to get trampled on.
 

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all you have said is support play - have you got the data for the amount of support plays per game each fullback makes?

defence - he has made the second most tackles out of every teams starting fullback

tries - he is 10th - 2nd amongst all fullbacks

try assists, he could have a few more but we have a pretty handy half back and a 5/8 who has a few as well

run meters - averages 155m per game

linebreaks - 4 - not the best, not the worst

you yourself have said you hope he isnt paid more than 500k, but you want tedesco like performances

so you are gonna have to dig into your metrics here
 

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I will add my opinion, he has started the year ok, worked hard and got an contract extension, I’m happy for the guy.

But positioning in defence needs work still, and and could get more involved in attack.

I think in Wills case, as long as he ain’t going for phantom intercepts, being caught out in position and coming up with non attempts at tackles, people will say he is playing really well. I think that’s setting the bar low.

I’m sure Will is still working on his game behind the scenes, and if he keeps it up, he could be a star. At the moment he is just solid fullback.

I don’t think he has been tested that much in defence this year either, we are leaking points but they’re close to the line. I want to see will come up with a try saving tackle or 2. That would mean he has figured position in defence and is also willing to get trampled on.
the positioning thing, whats this about?

he has one of the best long kick defusal rates

if you are talking about grubber kicks in the ingoal, then that is on the entire team as will defends in the line when teams are attacking

it would be harsh to criticise will for a team scoring off a grubber, although i cant recall any so far, and blame it on will when he was defending on the other side of the field
 
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I will add my opinion, he has started the year ok, worked hard and got an contract extension, I’m happy for the guy.

But positioning in defence needs work still, and and could get more involved in attack.

I think in Wills case, as long as he ain’t going for phantom intercepts, being caught out in position and coming up with non attempts at tackles, people will say he is playing really well. I think that’s setting the bar low.

I’m sure Will is still working on his game behind the scenes, and if he keeps it up, he could be a star. At the moment he is just a solid fullback.

I don’t think he has been tested that much in defence this year either, we are leaking points but they’re close to the line. I want to see will come up with a try saving tackle or 2. That would mean he has figured his positioning in defence and is also willing to get trampled on.
I think this part is quite relevant. I was genuinely asking Gumby as I can't recall any tries we've let in this year where i've thought he should have done a better job. Some he could have, like the Butcher try on the weekend, but I'd only really expect the elite fullbacks to be making that 5/10 times so I can't overly hold that against him.

I guess you have to remember saying someone is playing really well is relative. I can't judge Brailey's performances relative to what Harry Grant is doing, because he's on double the pay packet. Brailey can play really well and that performance could be average for Grant. I thought Tommy Hazleton played well this week too, but if I compare that against Payne Hass I'd have to say every game he plays is ****.
 

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the positioning thing, whats this about?

he has one of the best long kick defusal rates

if you are talking about grubber kicks in the ingoal, then that is on the entire team as will defends in the line when teams are attacking

it would be harsh to criticise will for a team scoring off a grubber, although i cant recall any so far, and blame it on will when he was defending on the other side of the field
I remember last year he got caught in wrong places when kicks were put in goal or when tries were scored he was just out of picture for the try to be saved

This year he’s improved which is a plus we need him to be better then last year in those areas and support play which he’s shown he has improved also

He’s going good so far
 

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the positioning thing, whats this about?

he has one of the best long kick defusal rates

if you are talking about grubber kicks in the ingoal, then that is on the entire team as will defends in the line when teams are attacking

it would be harsh to criticise will for a team scoring off a grubber, although i cant recall any so far, and blame it on will when he was defending on the other side of the field
I rate Will as probably the best fullback in the comp alongside Edwards for kick / bomb defusals.

When I say positioning in defence, I mean he often gets caught and isn’t where he should be when the other team makes a line break.

On top of that, I also believe he lacks any kind of urgency. He seems to be in slow motion when he should be in full flight trying to get to the man with ball.

Bad positioning and lack of urgency, I believe, are the reasons you don’t see him coming up with try saving tackles.
 
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