That's the big question.For a team to be around for 41 years and having had some of the best players and coaches in the game,why is it that while other newer teams have won the big one, we just can't get there? I've been reading all the messages of support for the boys, and I'm reminded of a Matt Rogers interview I read just after he left the Sharks to play Union.He said that the Sharks fans were at times a bit too forgiving and instead of patting the guys on the back after a crucial loss, they should have been letting them have it good and proper.Could be something there.
Why haven't the Sharks won a premiership?
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inconsistency at the pre game
Cronulla Repz
Mako Shark
The is heaps of factors.
i would just say inconsistancy with the club, also in most years we have lacked players that an exucute points and put people over the line.
Hopefully in 2009 barrett will bring that exucution =)
CSSC!
i would just say inconsistancy with the club, also in most years we have lacked players that an exucute points and put people over the line.
Hopefully in 2009 barrett will bring that exucution =)
CSSC!
pandapat
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Amen to that brother
sos
Tiger Shark
i dont no bout amen....
Cronulla Repz
Mako Shark
PandaPat finally someone agrees, everyone reckons its our backline, but we have a very mobile and tough backline its just we cant exucute our talent into points.
Barrett is better than kimmorly close to the line cos he is a lot bigger and has good one on one strength,
Cant wait to next season Boys =)
Barrett is better than kimmorly close to the line cos he is a lot bigger and has good one on one strength,
Cant wait to next season Boys =)
brad
Great White
if we knew the answer to that question then we would have fixed it by now.
Shark4Eva
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I agree that our backline is talented but they do hav their weaknesses as well
COVELL- strong, decent kicker, great leap and catch, pretty solid defender,but runs as fast as Nutley with a gut full of beer:drunk, and speed is a key for wingers and that was evident when Turner scored that try. Covell couldnt get back there.
POMS- freak, not too many weaknesses actually. Very solid all year, one of our best.
SIMONDS- where to start, he was once used for his great speed, i remember on one occasion he even ran down Matty Bowen, then during pre-season he decided to bulk up, i thought great, now he will be strong aswell as fast, but as the muscle built, the speed depleted, now he is just a bulked up waste of space, though he is still a shark so i gotta love him.
TALUAPAPA- misi,misi,misi... improved this year dramtically, i enjoyed watching him play coz he ran the ball like a forward, vatuvai like, he was solid but some errors this year were rather embarrasing, such as trying to pick up the ball and dropping it cold, that along with his occasional brainsnaps made him unpredictable as to which misi would turn up.
we haven't had any speed in the team since ET rode his tredley back up to his home in the sky (or gymea or where ever). speed is one of the most worthy attributes in a team and we lack it solidly. i can't remember seeing us score a try from outside our own 40 all season and that is due to our lack of speed wholey and soley
jedman1
Oceanic Whitetip Shark
I hate picking on players.... but to say Poms is the complete package is BS! most of the time he has hands like feet, and not Covells feet, more like feet that have just been run over by a tractor. Love watchin him run though, he will be gr8, he's just not the full package yet.
DeadlyShark
Hammerhead
Gentlemen,
THe case is we barrack/support/own/love, are members of, volunteer for, play for a team over history that has been pipped at the post and ran out of luck for 41 years. We have had the players, the coach, the fans, the club but have missed out on the luck. Fortune favours the brave and I think at crucial times we have been left wanting. Not because of lack of passion, not because of lack of love for the club just sheer luck. Covell, Noddy and Seymour showed this year the facts/factors of luck and the fact you create luck. We have just been unlucky at the crucial times. Look at some of the past players. THey could walk over they're direct opposite most days of the week but at crucial times been unlucky. Accept this and Luck off.
THe case is we barrack/support/own/love, are members of, volunteer for, play for a team over history that has been pipped at the post and ran out of luck for 41 years. We have had the players, the coach, the fans, the club but have missed out on the luck. Fortune favours the brave and I think at crucial times we have been left wanting. Not because of lack of passion, not because of lack of love for the club just sheer luck. Covell, Noddy and Seymour showed this year the facts/factors of luck and the fact you create luck. We have just been unlucky at the crucial times. Look at some of the past players. THey could walk over they're direct opposite most days of the week but at crucial times been unlucky. Accept this and Luck off.
49erShark
Bronze Whaler
The simple answer is money. Professional sport comes down to that pretty much. We've never had it and we've never won. Almost every year we overachieve. We will come 3rd consistently when the critics say we won't even make the 8 they then call us chokers. Sorry, we are actually overachievers. We are competing against the Brocos, Storm, Roosters and Manly on an old style Souths budget (how good have they been over the last 35 years, they've never even had a sniff). This club wouldn't even exist now if we hadn't gone to Superleague and managed to keep all the good young juniors that Manly and the Roosters were circling. No money means we consistently lack depth and key injuries cruel us as it did on Friday night. Green had a shocker first twenty minutes, missed tackles for two tries, was involved in several knock ons etc. With either Buster or Bird we win that game ( Manly would be another story maybe, but look how good they were when they had no money. Also how good are the Bulldogs now that they can't cheat the salary cap). We also cannot buy key players that would put us over the top although Ricky's clout is starting to bring a few players here. This is not a whinge, it is no mystery, it is merely the reality. This is the way of the world. I am actually proud to support an honourable, battler, underdog team. Our record over those 41 years is actually something to be very proud of. We consistently make the finals,we have never won a wooden spoon (as far as I can remember). Plus we still exist stand alone and have not been bought by some sqillionaire. Honestly the Shire should be proud.
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well said:drunk
WillyInBris
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sos
Tiger Shark
as someone said earlier they mentioned the CSSC now they do support but just cause the sharks win doesent mean they r the reason why and any suggestion of that is absolute bulderdash
WillyInBris
Jaws
I think its more to do wit the Board then anything else they make a lot of decisions and have caused more problems then good over the past ten years.
One of the things that makes me happy and someone said this on the forum before and that is one day in September we will win our first premiership and that will be one hell of a day and we will always remember it.
Whats the average life expectancy of a male 85?
Well I guess I have 49 years to go
the odds are on my side and even better for some of you younger folk.
The last thing I will say is that I really enjoyed this year the only game I can remember us losing is the one against mainly and I watched them all more wins then losses thats the good thing.
2007 Just missed the top eight
2008 Made into the top four
2009 Well I cant wait for the season to start
2010 I wouldn't be surprised if this is the year
One of the things that makes me happy and someone said this on the forum before and that is one day in September we will win our first premiership and that will be one hell of a day and we will always remember it.
Whats the average life expectancy of a male 85?
Well I guess I have 49 years to go
the odds are on my side and even better for some of you younger folk.The last thing I will say is that I really enjoyed this year the only game I can remember us losing is the one against mainly and I watched them all more wins then losses thats the good thing.
2007 Just missed the top eight
2008 Made into the top four
2009 Well I cant wait for the season to start
2010 I wouldn't be surprised if this is the year
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pandapat
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The question here is why haven't the Sharks won a premiership in 41 years, not just the last few, so it's no use looking at the playing roster for reasons. In my opinion, if you look at the history of the club, I think the the major reason for our lack of success is poor management by the club. After all, we made our first Grand Final in 73, just a few years after joining the competition, then again in 78. This Grand Final, I think, holds alot of the secrets to the clubs failures in the following years. The 78 premiership should have been ours. I don't think too many experts will disagree with that. We were robbed by a referee and the judiciary. However, it is the clubs reaction to this loss that holds the key. Since this loss, we have continually been looking for the "quick fix" - tossing out established and well performed clubmen for a flash in the pan, blue ribbon signing. Many of these players have not lived up to expectation. Maybe the pressure was too great or maybe they just weren't committed to the club and were playing for the money. Both have been true over the years. The same goes for coaches. We sign a coach, have limited success for a few years, toss him out then bring in a new guy with a whole new gameplan and have to build a team around it. When it doesn't work straight away, we get rid of him and start again.
We fail, time and time again, to recognise how committed our local juniors are to the club and move them on, only to see them become performers for other clubs. If you think about the most successful Sharks teams over the years, it is no surprise to find that two common elements are the importance of local juniors or club developed talent and a core team that has been together for a while under the same coach. The Lang coached teams of the nineties were a classic example. They had great success and were unlucky not to go all the way in a couple of seasons. In these situations, I feel that the weight of years of expectation plays a major factor in their failure. The longer the club goes without success, the worst it is going to get, I'm afraid. You only had to look at the performance of the team on Friday night to see that. Many of the players looked like deer in the headlights, the pressure was visible on their faces. The 99 preliminary final is another example of this syndrome. If the Sharks don't have a top notch sports psychologist on board already, I suggest it should be on the top of their recruitment list for '09.
What we should be doing is just letting Ricky and his men get on with the job for a couple of years with minimal changes to the team, especially they key players. We shouldn't have let Kimmorley go to sign Barrett, we should have kept deGois and forgotten about Hughes, thank God we kept Covell and Misi. Unless we are left with no other choice following the court matter, if we sack Bird, we deserve every failure we get
We need to stop chasing the miracle cure, the quick fix. Believe it or not, we will win a title faster with patience than we will with panic. Look at the most succesful teams of the last decade, they have consistently had the same coach and the same core group of players: Bennets Broncos, Bellamys Storm, Hagans Knights, Haslers Sea Eagles, Folkes' Bulldogs. The only exception to this rule I can think of is the Roosters under Stuart winning in their first year but they had an all-star team and when you look at their performance over the years, probably should have won alot more than they actually did.
I'm as keen as everyone else to win a title (probably more so) but I'm so sick of the blind panic approach the Club has taken, especially in the last decade. Keep Ricky as long as he'll stay and give him and the team the security to build on what has been acheived this year.
We fail, time and time again, to recognise how committed our local juniors are to the club and move them on, only to see them become performers for other clubs. If you think about the most successful Sharks teams over the years, it is no surprise to find that two common elements are the importance of local juniors or club developed talent and a core team that has been together for a while under the same coach. The Lang coached teams of the nineties were a classic example. They had great success and were unlucky not to go all the way in a couple of seasons. In these situations, I feel that the weight of years of expectation plays a major factor in their failure. The longer the club goes without success, the worst it is going to get, I'm afraid. You only had to look at the performance of the team on Friday night to see that. Many of the players looked like deer in the headlights, the pressure was visible on their faces. The 99 preliminary final is another example of this syndrome. If the Sharks don't have a top notch sports psychologist on board already, I suggest it should be on the top of their recruitment list for '09.
What we should be doing is just letting Ricky and his men get on with the job for a couple of years with minimal changes to the team, especially they key players. We shouldn't have let Kimmorley go to sign Barrett, we should have kept deGois and forgotten about Hughes, thank God we kept Covell and Misi. Unless we are left with no other choice following the court matter, if we sack Bird, we deserve every failure we get
We need to stop chasing the miracle cure, the quick fix. Believe it or not, we will win a title faster with patience than we will with panic. Look at the most succesful teams of the last decade, they have consistently had the same coach and the same core group of players: Bennets Broncos, Bellamys Storm, Hagans Knights, Haslers Sea Eagles, Folkes' Bulldogs. The only exception to this rule I can think of is the Roosters under Stuart winning in their first year but they had an all-star team and when you look at their performance over the years, probably should have won alot more than they actually did.
I'm as keen as everyone else to win a title (probably more so) but I'm so sick of the blind panic approach the Club has taken, especially in the last decade. Keep Ricky as long as he'll stay and give him and the team the security to build on what has been acheived this year.
iron shark u da man > top response!!!
i have a different belief for our inability to win a ship.... its our colour, the baby blue and whiten (as much as i love it and wouldnt change it for the world) its so damn soft and doesnt spark any fear in the opposition.
i think we play better in the predominately black uniform
does this count as blasphemy
i feel guilty
i have a different belief for our inability to win a ship.... its our colour, the baby blue and whiten (as much as i love it and wouldnt change it for the world) its so damn soft and doesnt spark any fear in the opposition.
i think we play better in the predominately black uniform
does this count as blasphemy
i feel guilty
the reason the sharks haven't won the comp yet is like rolling a dice many times , the last individual number that it lands on for the first time is the sharks, while for some other numbers it may land on several times.