which teams will improve, get worse etc

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the teams i expect to perform worse than this year are:
BRONCOS- the loss of ben te'o and petro cionicia
MANLY- the loss of tony williams
STORM- the loss of siki manu,jamian lowe, todd lowrie and dane neilson
WARRIORS- the loss of james moloney and micheal luck
DRAGONS-the loss of beau scott

the teams i expect to perform about the same as this year are:
SOUTHS
COWBOYS
RAIDERS
EELS

the teams i expect to improve on this year are:
SHARKS- THE SIGNINGS OF MICHEAL GORDAN, BEAU RYAN, JOHNATAN WRIGHT AND
THE RETURN FROM INJURY OF GARDNER MEANS THEIR WILL FINALLY BE SOME GENIUE
COMPETION FOR SPOTS IN OUR BACK LINE AND WE MAY ADAPT A MOR EXPANSIVE GAME
PLAN CAUSE OF THESE SIGNINGS.
JERMEY SMITH WILL BE A BIG LOSS BUT WITH BOTH LEWIS HEIGHTON OUR BACK ROW IS EVEN
STRONGER NEXT YEAR.
THE EXPERIENCE FROM MAKING THIS YEARS FINALS WILL PROVIDE CONFIDENCE.
BULLDOGS-tony williams will improve already good side
TITIANS-dave taylor will improve the the titians.
NEWCASTLE-jermey smith and beau scott will improve the knights
ROOSTERS-james maloney and sonny bill williams? will improve the roosters
PANTHERS-will improve if they can over come the loss of lewis and gordan but with
a host of new signings there will be competition for spots in the team, should provide a improved performance
 

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I tend to agree with most of that. I'll split mine into where I think each team will finish, split into 4 segments of 4, and I apologise in advance if this post is too long and full of waffling.

1-4:
Storm - don't think they lose too much given the strength of their backline, and though they might lack some muscle in the forwards, they'll be right up there again next year.
Bulldogs - I see them potentially improving, and if Reynolds doesn't suffer from second year syndrome (as fulltime 5/8th) and Keating can brush up his kicking game, they should probably be favourites for next year with the addition of Williams and further guidance from Hasler. If teams catch onto the Bulldogs playing style and are able to shut it down however, they could be in some trouble, although the class of Morris, Barba, Inu and Reynolds should ensure that's not too big of a problem against most sides.
Cronulla - obvious bias.
Newcastle - Showed great form late in the year with their outside backs really firing. With the bolstering of their forward pack and the quality and recent form of their outside backs, the main areas they need improvement on are their props and halves combination. If Snowden stands up, Gidley plays as bench hooker and Roberts is given more time to grow into the halfback role, they should perform very well.

5-8:
Manly - needs to right some of their errors especially in regards to discipline, which may fault them again next year without Hasler. While Williams is a loss, they've still managed to keep their spine, and it'll be hard to see them missing the 8, but I don't see them making the top 4 next year.
South Sydney - Loss of Taylor shouldn't be too detrimental, Mcqueen is quite a good player. However some of their forwards such as Crocker and Asotasi are getting quite old. While Sutton is improving, I worry about how Reynolds will handle his second year in first grade, as I don't think he has the natural talent to handle it as well as Cherry-Evans, despite having great confidence. Inglis' form could go either way as he continues in his fullback role, but I'm not sure about how well he'll play with his future guaranteed for 3 years. I don't think they'll improve, but they won't do much worse.
Cowboys - Had great fortune that Thurston, Tate and especially Bowen were largely injury free and in rich form throughout most of this year. The only thing that should stop them from improving further is injury, which I feel is likely to strike one of their key players as it has done in past seasons. Probably not the best logic for them not improving but I feel that it will happen. As well as that, Payne and especially Segeyaro are considerable losses; I really rate Segeyaro.
Roosters - To just make the 8 under my assumption that they have the brains to avoid signing SBW and Cooper. With the introduction of Maloney and the removal of Anasta, they should play an exciting brand of attacking footy. Their exciting young forwards such as Guerra and Cordner should continue to improve as well. Whilst I believe that defence will once again be an issue for them, the removal of Brian Smith should result in an improvement in discipline which was ill under a coach many of the players did not respect.

9-12
Titans - Quality yet injury prone forwards and an aging Prince past his time may hinder the Titans. With the quality of their playing roster it's difficult to predict how they will perform next year, however I feel that they are too forward heavy, will suffer during origin, and the injury proneness of many of their key players will bite them once again.
Tigers- Should regress with the losses of Ryan and Heighington and the signing of Anasta. Their props will be stronger next year as Woods continues developing and the signing of Kite, but other than that it's hard to see where their improvement will come from. Could be Tedesco playing fullback uninjured and Moltzen developing as the half-back I thought he could be a year ago.
Panthers - A team that should improve next year, I think they've done an great job with their recruitment, and have some excellent up and coming young players. Coote's development in the 5/8th role should be intriguing as well. They will miss the composure and consistency of Lewis and Gordon however, and won't win a premiership until they have a quality half-back, and Walsh is not it.
Broncos - Can't see them improving with the loss of Petro. They could struggle even more next year given teams became able to completely shut down Norman as an attacking threat. They need to resolve their halves issues early in the year otherwise they will miss the 8. Origin may also hurt them once more.

Dragons - Their structure and quality individual player should see them win enough games to top this group, but they will struggle without a proper halfback and the loss of Scott, as well as the aging and detereoration of Matt Cooper's form.
Eels - Have alot of potential, played some great footy late in the year and should improve, but Hindmarsh is a massive loss, I thought he had a sensational year. Will lack consistency without a good 5/8th to complement Sandow.
Raiders - Young, talented outside backs, big forwards, but just too inconsistent and ill-disciplined to go very far. When things go against them in a game, they're the first to put their heads down.
Warriors - My tip for the spoon. Losing Luck and Maloney hurts, but they also looked uninspired even with the late year change in coach (could be different if they sign a proven coach). An immensely talented playing group with massive potential that I worry will once again go nowhere, resulting in uninspired performances like their back-end of this year.
 

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I'd like to see more signings finalised before I re-evaluate this post.

1-4:
Bulldogs, Storm, Cowboys, Sharks

This pack are quality, they either have a fantastic spine, discipline or experience. The key to these 4 teams and why they will be there at the end of next season IMO, is they have either signed very well or blooded talent as needed. These will be four of the best squads in the game.

5-8
Manly, South Sydney, Newcastle, Raiders

This pack has the quality in their teams to do it as well as the experience needed to be there. I expect manly & bunnies to easily make it, while as usual the last 2 spots in the 8 will be contested. the raiders have sown many times how to sneak in & I think based on squad and coaching newcastle won't be missing out again.

9-12
Broncos, Dragons, Titans, Rooster

Here are four teams that have niggling issues for me. Broncos it's the halves, don't worry about their engine, they have young players willing to move forward, but halves is an issue.
Dragons much the same, however they are struggling in many aspects, they are struggling with the new pace of the league trend setters.
the other two teams have the squads, but lack discipline or winning tight games. Any of these four Win those 50-50 games that are needed and particularly get off to a good start, they might scrap in.

13-16
West Tigers, Warriors, Eels, Panthers

here are four teams currently in a big transition period. All four have tried to make mass changes to their squads. All four have done so in an upsetting way to the current playing roster. All four are lacking confidence and aren't winning the close games, they have forgotten how to win.
All four are struggling with their coaching, their discipline and squad, so i don't see any of them pushing into the 8, if they are lucky maybe a little higher... This is the fight for wooden spoon though.
 

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1. Storm
2. Manly
3. Sharks
4. Cowboys
5. Bulldogs
6. Rabbitohs
7. Panthers
8. Knights

9. Broncos
10. Dragons
11. Titans
12. Raiders
13. Eels
14. Warriors
15. Tigers
16. Roosters
 

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Very good thread.

I think it is way too hard to pick so I'm not even going to bother.
 

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Sharks first and hopefully knights last because they are a bunch of maggots!
 

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1. Storm
2. Souths
3. Bulldogs
4. Cowboys
5. Cronulla
6. Manly
7. Newcastle
8. Gold Coast

9. Brisbane
10. Roosters
11. Eels
12. Dragons
13. Tigers
14. Raiders
15. Panthers
16. Warriors

It will be very interesting to look back at this thread in 11 months time.
 

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Doing this team now soley too get on the first page too make it easier too look it up at a later date:

1. Souths
2. Storm
3. Bulldogs
4. Sharks
5. Cowboys
6. Sea Eagles
7. Knights
8. Raiders
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9. Titans
10. Broncos
11. Tigers
12. Warriors
13. Panthers
14. Dragons
15. Eels
16. Roosters
 

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This is how League HQ sees it at the moment. How did they decide which order to put the teams in over the off season? Is it randomly generated or is a staff member having a wise crack?

http://livescores.theage.com.au/nrl/ladder.html

1. North Queensland 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Canterbury-Bankstown 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Newcastle 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. St George Illawarra 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Penrith 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Parramatta 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Brisbane 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Gold Coast 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Melbourne 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. South Sydney 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Wests Tigers 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Warriors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Canberra 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Manly 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Cronulla 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1. Sydney Roosters
 
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heres my ladder come round 26,

1. Storm
2. Cowboys
3. Cronulla
4. Raiders
5. Souths
6. Dogs
7. Manly
8. Gold coast
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9. Newcastle
10. St George
11. Parramatta
12. Brisbane
13. Warriors
14. Roosters
15. Tigers
16. Panthers
 

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Lol everyone is underestimating what SBW will bring to the roosters. Top 6 at the very least for them
 

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I can't see Sandow as a Ricky Stuart style halfback, wouldn't be surprised to see Ricky play him at hooker or fullback

Haha ur joking right? Sandow at fullback? So he moves hayne to wing? eels will def improve, hard not to when you've come last the past 2 seasons. Won't make the 8 in 2013 though....

I agree with jig, roosters will make the 8. Raiders and broncos will both drop out. Knights will be better than this year as well with gidley, Scott and smith into there team.....
 

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Those to Improve
Sharks
Knights
Roosters
Panthers
Raiders

Those to Decline
Manly
Dragons
Warriors
Broncos
Tigers

Those to Finish About Where they did this year
All the rest
 

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Haha ur joking right? Sandow at fullback? So he moves hayne to wing? eels will def improve, hard not to when you've come last the past 2 seasons. Won't make the 8 in 2013 though....

I agree with jig, roosters will make the 8. Raiders and broncos will both drop out. Knights will be better than this year as well with gidley, Scott and smith into there team.....

I'm not saying it's something I'd do, just saying Sticky is a knob
 

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1. Storm - clinical yet can be beaten by the right team
2. Cronulla - have more attacking option than weve had in a while, with the right combintions we could really challenge
3. Bulldogs - great team and coach but i think teams have figured them out now and will be competetive but less so
4. Cowboys - dont know what they're gonna do at hooker prob mitchell, but i think they will miss segeyaro, still a great team with a good balace across the park of youth and experience tariq sims will make a big difference
5. Souths - again good team with a few weaknessess taht let them down will make the 8, teo great signing much more reliable than taylor and scores plenty of meat pies
6. Raiders - have a great team but so unpredictable capable of beating anyone and losing to anyone
7. Panthers - my pick for most surprising, i think they have recruited well in segeyaro, manu, roberts etc plus some of their developing players like mansour, and i like cootes move to 5/8
8. Manly - Hate this team but i think their forward pack is their weak link, losing lussick and williams they have a rubbish junior pool so if injuries happen no1 to cover and with oldfield and whare gone no1 to cover when brett stewart gets injured
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9. Gold Coast - not bad team on paper but still underperform, think dave taylor is a 50/50 purchase could be great could be dud
10. Newcastle - just bought 2 ageing forwards, i think smith will give 1 more good year, think beau scotts past it, just dont see them doing much with the personell
11. St George - think theyre sort of in refurbish mode
12. Brisbane - no1 knows what position they play up there, cant see much happening with them
13. Parramatta - will see some improvement and may actually beat a good team or 2 but no real threat
14. Warriors - no maloney will hurt them plane and simple they need a level head to help out johnson, now theres no1
15. Tigers - too much crap and infighting, uncertainty on coaching, loss of team dynamics etc, expecting to implode
16. Roosters - apart from gal how many second rowers improve a team that much, $BW will divide the team, he has no heart, and if they get quade cooper watch teams target and score tries through him
 

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1-storm
2-sharks
3-dogs
4-rabbits
5-cowboys
6-raiders
7-panthers
8-manly
9-newcastle
10-broncoes
11-roosters
12-cold toast
13-tigers
14-st george
15-parramatta
16-warriors
 

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2013.

1. Dogs - In 2009, The Dragons finished 26 rounds as minor premiers, As did the Storm in 2011. These Sides did not win the premiership in these respective years, but did so in the prevailing season. They will be there abouts come next september after a strong 2012

2. Knights- a lot of hype around these boys at the start of last season, might be the same bere. Beau scott and jeremy smith will bring a lot to this team. Its just a matter of time before the wayne bennet factor kicks in.


3. Sharks- Good signings, stable on and off the field. Big things ahead for the sharks bar injury to key personel

4. Storm- They just know how to win. A few losses of their premiership winning side but Bellamy has proven that he can develop young fringe players into genuine NRL stars. Cant see them finishing less than fourth and will be in the mix once more. I dont think they ncan win the title, Manly finished 4th in 2012 after winning in 2011 and i see similar things happening here.

5. Cowboys - Always strong at home , will be there abouts. Need to improve defence to be a genuine contender.

6. Souths - Will make the 8 but cant see them repeating their form of 2012. Second year syndrome for reynolds and Sutton is yet to play consistently for consecutive seasons in his career. Will challenge the stronger teams if forwards are fit, but maybe 1 or 2 seasons off becoming serious title hopes.

7. Manly - Stewart brothers need to be fit and firing if they are to be a chance to even make the 8. Whare leaving is huge , he proved his worth playing from 1-5 last year; an underestimated player. Tony Williams' loss is not that huge, the manly side have signed promosing raiders U20s player Michael Chee Kam who is an absolute weapon.

8. Raiders/Brisbane - In the top 8 mix, can only see the raiders actually going on to pose any threat come september. Brisbane will limp into the finals on the back of a tough origin campaign. If one of these teams can sneak into 7th, i give them increased hope due to the new finals system and playing week 1 at home.

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9. Raiders/Brisbane (as above)

10. Roosters - New coach, New captain ... same old performances. Maloney will bring some spark but ill discipline with and without the ball hurts them at crucial times in matches. If SBW signs, his combination with Mini and mortimer around the ruck will go along way.... but even then, the teams outside backs are very young. 2014 will see bigger and better things for the Roosters.

11. Parramatta - Will improve on 2012... merely because they couldnt have gone any worse. Stickys influence may clash with players, ala his time at cronulla and Kimmorley. Burt and Hindmarsh were the heart and soul of the eels - these players will be VERY hard to mimic; let alone replace.

12. Dragons - going backwards. No key singings bar frizell; and even he will not single handedly win premierships. Soward to 7, Stanley to 6. Morris is the only attacking hope they have.

13. Warriors - Going backwards. Michael Luck's gone, maloneys gone, the coach is gone. Not much has come. 13th at best.

14. Penrith - New signings may add some hope to this team, however the club itself is still ravished. Financial struggles and board room conflict will hurt the team on the field. Alike parramatta and Hindmarsh; the side will struggle to fill Lewis' void.

15. Titans - Ageing, injury prone players in key positions. Surely this is Cartwrights last year as coach.

16. Tigers- Poor culture, signing players much past their prime. Benji and Farah will be forced to carry this team once more. Injury to one of those two would spell disaster. I might be harsh putting them at 16th, but inonestly cant see them being a threat - to anyone.
 
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