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bort said:
If ref misses a high tackle but bunker spots it is it blatant or not?

Is deliberate (as perhaps, significant) a good word for what you are thinking?
In that case I think that is kind of in line with what I was saying - if it is worth a penalty or bin then tell ref, otherwise just note it for the MRC to look at. We don't need a stoppage so an accidental grade 1 high shot from halfway through the set before can be put on report.
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Deliberate is what I mean and significant enough to warrant a send off or sin bin.
 
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andrew's_sharks said:
Deliberate is what I mean and significant enough to warrant a send off or sin bin.
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That's what we have now.

Any time someone grabs their neck, a halfback or star player is hit 1 microsecond late, or two blokes are chasing a kick and bump each other. Could be a sin bin - better intervene.
 
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burgess1978 said:
I reckon this one was originally for TV/fans, but it's now used as a differentiator for whether or not the bunker can intervene - so we are stuck with it.

They appease the punters by saying "I saw that you naughty boy" or "I missed that, but the bloke watching the TV saw it". Noting something in a match report is something necessary for referees who don't have every game recorded on video., but the whole "on report" thing is completely unnecessary as a tool for MRC when there are a dozen camera angles, slo-mo, etc. and a bunch of refs watch every game in detail on a Monday.
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I agree the report is now largely irrelevant. Could just have a pop-up on broadcast "Play X has been placed on report" and a little PIP of the incident. Doesn't need to affect live play for such an inconsequential event as a report.

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That's what we have now.

Any time someone grabs their neck, a halfback or star player is hit 1 microsecond late, or two blokes are chasing a kick and bump each other. Could be a sin bin - better intervene.
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If ref penalises you can challenge if you disagree. If ref doesn't bunker can review and if it was worth a penalty or sin bin+ which wasn't given by ref they can intervene (or maybe just sin bin & send off)

The late hits definitely need to get sorted. I can appreciate protecting our playmakers but they can't dig into the line that much and expect no contact. Then we see Kennedy get pummeled after the pass in finals and nothing for us.
 
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bort said:
80 minutes of football is good in principle but makes managing length of game tricky from a broadcast perspective which is extremely relevant from a $ perspective.
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The NRL says that their goal is to reduce the total elapsed time (not including half time) and maximise the percentage of time the ball is in play.

2022 the ball in play was 55 minutes per 80 and total elapsed time was 95 minutes per game. In 2016 the ball was in play 54 minutes per 80 and the total elapsed time per game was 89 minutes.

In the last 6 years we've seen a 1% increase in time spent actually playing, and a 55% increase in nothing time.
 
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bort said:
I agree the report is now largely irrelevant. Could just have a pop-up on broadcast "Play X has been placed on report" and a little PIP of the incident. Doesn't need to affect live play for such an inconsequential event as a report.


If ref penalises you can challenge if you disagree. If ref doesn't bunker can review and if it was worth a penalty or sin bin+ which wasn't given by ref they can intervene (or maybe just sin bin & send off)

The late hits definitely need to get sorted. I can appreciate protecting our playmakers but they can't dig into the line that much and expect no contact. Then we see Kennedy get pummeled after the pass in finals and nothing for us.
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What about no bunker intervention at all during play - even on tries, 1 challenge per half, and the bunker can intervene at a stoppage for anything he deems worthy of a sin bin? Also - bring back in goal judges and piss off the video ref for dropout decisions. If the ref/touchie and in-goal judge can't get it right, move on.

e.g. ref doesn't blow a penalty, play moves on, bunker identifies an issue, 5 minutes later there is a scrum, bunker tells ref to send player to bin for 10, but no penalty is awarded because play has since moved on.

Just get on with the game, keep captain's challenge for howlers and stop the bunker being involved in everything. This game isn't meant to be adjudicated in ultra slow-mo, and the broadcasters have the power to not show every 50/50 call over and over.
 
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burgess1978 said:
There are not less total stoppages. There are less stoppages with the clock running.

3 years worth of fiddling has given us 1 minute of extra "ball in play" and 8 more play the balls per game, with several more minutes of dead time (mostly the video ref doing something - but also other "stop the clock" situations like last 5 minutes, HIA, etc.).

Total game duration went down in 2019 when they reduced the scrum and drop-out clocks. It stayed fairly consistent in 2020 and 2021, but 2022 was above 2019. 6-again rule changed nothing.

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Not true at all. Combining 1, 6, 7 and 9 they are not getting significantly more touches than they were before the rule changes. One more minute of game time and 8 more ptb's doesn't change much.


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The biggest influence the 6-again has had is have LESS passes per game and a lot MORE one pass hit ups.



Depends on how you want to play I guess. I love a ball-playing lock, but not everyone plays that way, and there is nothing to show that locks are doing any more passing than before.

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Throwing more passes certainly wasn't a league-wide trend in 2020 and 2021 - though I haven't seen anything for this from 2022. The biggest measurable influence of the set restart rule was decreasing the amount of passes thrown in games AND increasing the amount of 1-pass hit ups. Any extra ball in play time is pretty much just a guarantee that you will see more hit ups.

Ratio of pass-to-run.

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Percentage of plays which were one-pass runs.

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@BlackWhiteBlue You fool, you walked straight into his graph trap.
 
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burgess1978 said:
What about no bunker intervention at all during play - even on tries, 1 challenge per half, and the bunker can intervene at a stoppage for anything he deems worthy of a sin bin? Also - bring back in goal judges and piss off the video ref for dropout decisions. If the ref/touchie and in-goal judge can't get it right, move on.

e.g. ref doesn't blow a penalty, play moves on, bunker identifies an issue, 5 minutes later there is a scrum, bunker tells ref to send player to bin for 10, but no penalty is awarded because play has since moved on.

Just get on with the game, keep captain's challenge for howlers and stop the bunker being involved in everything. This game isn't meant to be adjudicated in ultra slow-mo, and the broadcasters have the power to not show every 50/50 call over and over.
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That'd be okay-ish if you consumed no RL outside of watching games, including halftime and post game reviews.
I feel like the media would persistently drag the NRL for every incorrect call.
Once you introduce the tech to better ensure correct decisions it's very hard to rewind it, especially when the tech is provided/delivered by the media who broadcast the sport.

Got a graph for how many tries referred to bunker are correct vs how many bunker overrules?
I think if ref got it correct the vast majority of the time you could consider reverting.
Media would still go to town on any incorrect though.
 
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bort said:
That'd be okay-ish if you consumed no RL outside of watching games, including halftime and post game reviews.
I feel like the media would persistently drag the NRL for every incorrect call.
Once you introduce the tech to better ensure correct decisions it's very hard to rewind it, especially when the tech is provided/delivered by the media who broadcast the sport.

Got a graph for how many tries referred to bunker are correct vs how many bunker overrules?
I think if ref got it correct the vast majority of the time you could consider reverting.
Media would still go to town on any incorrect though.
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For sure.

I think you might have isolated the real issue here. Broadcasters are making the decisions here. They don't want a better game. They want a game with more "discussion-worthy" moments.
 
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burgess1978 said:
What about no bunker intervention at all during play - even on tries, 1 challenge per half, and the bunker can intervene at a stoppage for anything he deems worthy of a sin bin? Also - bring back in goal judges and piss off the video ref for dropout decisions. If the ref/touchie and in-goal judge can't get it right, move on.

e.g. ref doesn't blow a penalty, play moves on, bunker identifies an issue, 5 minutes later there is a scrum, bunker tells ref to send player to bin for 10, but no penalty is awarded because play has since moved on.

Just get on with the game, keep captain's challenge for howlers and stop the bunker being involved in everything. This game isn't meant to be adjudicated in ultra slow-mo, and the broadcasters have the power to not show every 50/50 call over and over.
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Yep I'm in for that.
 
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snowman said:
yeh mad, and when the ref penalises a play the ball when it was a knock on every fucker and their dog would be blowing up

cant remove the bunkers involvement
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Thought you'd like it. More sensational content to rant about for your Tubing
 
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bort said:
Other times bunker is involved is
Foul play that was missed or that the ref wants more feedback on
Dead in goal scenarios
Challenges

I get that not everyone likes the challenges but the other two are pretty minimal time impact.
Have I missed any?
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Ensuring the Tigers fans don't get too optimistic?
 
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bort said:
I agree the report is now largely irrelevant. Could just have a pop-up on broadcast "Play X has been placed on report" and a little PIP of the incident. Doesn't need to affect live play for such an inconsequential event as a report.
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Might be good to let the player know though. Otherwise when would NAS know when to holster his elbows?
 
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