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bort said:
There are heaps of tall boys running around, to varying degrees of minutes and effectiveness

NAS - 200cm, 115kg
Nut - 198cm, 116kg
Klemmer 198cm, 109kg
Paseka - 197cm, 120kg
Tuks - 197cm, 117kg
Kerr - 197cm, 112kg
Tino 197cm, 107kg
D Saifiti - 195cm, 121kg
D Saifiti - 195cm, 114kg
Tui - 195cm, 110kg
Welch - 195cm, 110kg
Haas - 194cm, 117kg
Matterson - 194cm, 107kg
Collins - 194cm, 106kg
Hughes - 193cm, 111kg
Keppie - 193cm, 110kg
JWH - 193cm, 108kg
Neame- 193cm, 106kg
AFB - 189cm, 123kg (moves well for the short fatty of the group!)

Tuks may yet even fill out a bit at his age.
Just because others play longer minutes doesn't mean he can, but just because some don't definitely doesn't mean he can't.

We'll let him learn and develop for now and see where we end up.

If he only ever plays shorter stints, but they are very effective, I will trust that the coaching team and the player are happy that is the best use for him. If he becomes a bloke who played up to 60 most weeks, or more, then I'll trust that is the best use of him.

Making him play big minutes now, or even next season, when we don't need to just because guys like Tino and Haas can doesn't seem like a strat I'd like our coach to implement.

Next season, year after, year after that, who knows what his role will be. Hopefully it is to kill it for us, however many minutes that is!

(not just a response to you Proud, adding to the convo just building on what you listed)
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As he increases his training age and his match fitness improves so will the minutes he plays. It also depends a lot on how interchanges are used.
 
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bort said:
There are heaps of tall boys running around, to varying degrees of minutes and effectiveness

NAS - 200cm, 115kg
Nut - 198cm, 116kg
Klemmer 198cm, 109kg
Paseka - 197cm, 120kg
Tuks - 197cm, 117kg
Kerr - 197cm, 112kg
Tino 197cm, 107kg
D Saifiti - 195cm, 121kg
D Saifiti - 195cm, 114kg
Tui - 195cm, 110kg
Welch - 195cm, 110kg
Haas - 194cm, 117kg
Matterson - 194cm, 107kg
Collins - 194cm, 106kg
Hughes - 193cm, 111kg
Keppie - 193cm, 110kg
JWH - 193cm, 108kg
Neame- 193cm, 106kg
AFB - 189cm, 123kg (moves well for the short fatty of the group!)

Tuks may yet even fill out a bit at his age.
Just because others play longer minutes doesn't mean he can, but just because some don't definitely doesn't mean he can't.

We'll let him learn and develop for now and see where we end up.

If he only ever plays shorter stints, but they are very effective, I will trust that the coaching team and the player are happy that is the best use for him. If he becomes a bloke who played up to 60 most weeks, or more, then I'll trust that is the best use of him.

Making him play big minutes now, or even next season, when we don't need to just because guys like Tino and Haas can doesn't seem like a strat I'd like our coach to implement.

Next season, year after, year after that, who knows what his role will be. Hopefully it is to kill it for us, however many minutes that is!

(not just a response to you Proud, adding to the convo just building on what you listed)
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Proud Shark said:
Tuks - 197cm, 117kg
Afb - 189cm, 123kg
Tino 197cm, 107kg
NAS - 200cm, 115kg

Interesting comparison. You're probably right, there's no reason he couldn't, it's just whether or not he's had the opportunity to develop in that role rather than as an impact forward.
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Exactly, Tuks hasn't been developed to play the role those other big boys are at this stage of his career (not at a FG level at least). Barring injuries Tuks might not have even seen a FG game this season.

AFB, Tino, NAS are seasoned pros at NRL level @ the elite level or middles. They are used to the pace, impacts and fitness requirements of regular first grade footy. We shouldn't compare Tuks to them until he at least has a season or 2 under his belt in firsts but even then he is his own player and will have a specific role from Fitz which may well differ to that of props from other teams.

Tuks is being eased in to get a taste without too much responsibility or pressure and give another bloke bit of a breather, it's a bonus that he has been so impactful and playing like a weapon cause he prob would have got picked anyway even if he were the plodding type cause our depth is so stretched.

Hazleton started off with short stints @ the Sharks and it seems to have worked out brilliantly for him and the team

We should keep in mind that the longer minutes a middle forward plays the more wear and tear on the body and potential you lose the explosive impact side of their game sooner. Look at JT3 @ the Cowboys, he is not the monster player he used to be 5 years ago but he is only 30 years old, should be in his prime but these days seems like the most underwheming part of his career.

Payten mention this years ago and used it as reasoning (at least publically) to lower Jason's minutes so his body could actually see out the contract.

There really is no rush to turn Tuku into another workhorse or big minute prop, we already have those. There's also no guarantee we have another Hazleton / Tuku coming up through the ranks to be that next big impact forward for us.

Having a bench forward that can give you a high impact high intensity powerful 15 mins shouldn't be sneezed at or under valued. It serves a purpose and is a potential momentum shifter. One good charge over the advantage line and quick PTB can turn a game.

Ofcourse not everyone can be a Jack Williams and do it for 50 mins (in his own bustling style)
 
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Gards said:
Exactly, Tuks hasn't been developed to play the role those other big boys are at this stage of his career (not at a FG level at least). Barring injuries Tuks might not have even seen a FG game this season.

AFB, Tino, NAS are seasoned pros at NRL level @ the elite level or middles. They are used to the pace, impacts and fitness requirements of regular first grade footy. We shouldn't compare Tuks to them until he at least has a season or 2 under his belt in firsts but even then he is his own player and will have a specific role from Fitz which may well differ to that of props from other teams.

Tuks is being eased in to get a taste without too much responsibility or pressure and give another bloke bit of a breather, it's a bonus that he has been so impactful and playing like a weapon cause he prob would have got picked anyway even if he were the plodding type cause our depth is so stretched.

Hazleton started off with short stints @ the Sharks and it seems to have worked out brilliantly for him and the team

We should keep in mind that the longer minutes a middle forward plays the more wear and tear on the body and potential you lose the explosive impact side of their game sooner. Look at JT3 @ the Cowboys, he is not the monster player he used to be 5 years ago but he is only 30 years old, should be in his prime but these days seems like the most underwheming part of his career.

Payten mention this years ago and used it as reasoning (at least publically) to lower Jason's minutes so his body could actually see out the contract.

There really is no rush to turn Tuku into another workhorse or big minute prop, we already have those. There's also no guarantee we have another Hazleton / Tuku coming up through the ranks to be that next big impact forward for us.

Having a bench forward that can give you a high impact high intensity powerful 15 mins shouldn't be sneezed at or under valued. It serves a purpose and is a potential momentum shifter. One good charge over the advantage line and quick PTB can turn a game.

Ofcourse not everyone can be a Jack Williams and do it for 50 mins (in his own bustling style)
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Did Tino start off in the second row at Melbourne or am I making **** up again?
 
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HaroldBishop said:
Did Tino start off in the second row at Melbourne or am I making **** up again?
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Sounds plausible and makes sense with his body type

I relise that over time and part of Tuks development will see him take on more minutes and responsibility but I just hope we find a balance with it that we don't lose too much or any of that monster impact and ability he currently brings. Maybe he is our next Tagatese but with better hands?

Now here's a question - have there been any NRL middle forwards that spent most of if not their entire career playing a 15-20 min high impact bench role? Or do they all essentially graduate to more minutes provided they are consistent enough as a player?
 
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Gards said:
Sounds plausible and makes sense with his body type

I relise that over time and part of Tuks development will see him take on more minutes and responsibility but I just hope we find a balance with it that we don't lose too much or any of that monster impact and ability he currently brings. Maybe he is our next Tagatese but with better hands?

Now here's a question - have there been any NRL middle forwards that spent most of if not their entire career playing a 15-20 min high impact bench role? Or do they all essentially graduate to more minutes provided they are consistent enough as a player?
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Spencer Leniu so far but that may well change at the Roosters.
 
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Would you like that measured in millimetres?
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