Strategy for final 5 weeks

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Now that we have lost all chances of making the 8 (even if we win 5 of 5 we will have to win each by 30 points to have some hope on for and against), do we start looking into next year?

I think some of our other young players can gain a lot with a couple iof first grade games along side players like Gal, Dougie and Smith. I say, give Snowdan a rest. He is injured and not playing well. Pomeroy the same (coming off the bench is fine for me, at best). Maybe even try Wade Graham at lock/hooker and AK at halfs with Townsend.

I was disappointed with last night's effort but am conscious of the fact that everyone was tipping us for the spoon and we have actually had some positive, yet inconsistent, parts to the season. I just feel that it is a good time to experiement a little.
 

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Mate for me this is one of the more sensible reads that I have had on this forum in the last three weeks.

The first strategy we need to undertake is to stop bagging each other. Over the last three weeks I have read nothing but blokes on here ripping into each other after every loss. As a long term fan of 36 years that disappoints me the most.

The second thing is to remember exactly what you pointed out. Most people tipped us for the spoon, however three weeks ago every 'good' judge on here had us winning the comp. We have never had the side that can do this and the sooner we realize this the quicker we can focus on remaining loyal and positive to the club we all love.

The third thing we must do is experiment a little with our personnel. However, we need to win that Toyota Cup so we can't be affecting those chances. We have had very little success in any grade for so long that it is imperative that we give that comp a good shake. If we can do this and retain many of them then our future is very bright. Blokes like Chad Townsend, Stuart Mills, Luke Pickerd, Tyrone Peachey and Tyson Frizell need to experience that victory and then bring that culture into the top grade. We can't dick around with that side too much.

The fourth thing is to build our depth in key positions. This year we have had injuries to key players at the wrong times. AK and Gardner getting hurt in that one game turned our season on it's head. J Smith and J Morris injuries affected us also. We unearthed some good players in Bukuya but in the last few weeks he has been out and with Gal out also and Snowden battling injury, we have been a shadow of what we were three games ago. Our back line doesn't seem to scare anybody so it is here that we must look for those Toyota Cup guys to come through for us. We have started the process and already bought a few decent players to plug the gap that Dougie will leave, we must do more though. Toupo has to be our impact off the bench and while I like Pom sometimes, he just makes himself out to look ordinary at other times.

The fifth and final thing is to not turn on our coach. He has done some very good things so far and up until the last few weeks was a hero to many on here. It was said a few weeks ago that if we made the 8 he might be coach of the year. To me, he has gone a long way to repairing the damage the last idiot left the place in. Stuart was a bloody disgrace, he never looked after or nurtured any of the local talent. At one point last season in the depth of our despair, not one player in the 17 was a local junior. Our Toyota Cup was near the bottom. That guy really did nothing to inspire my confidence as a long term supporter. Flanno on the other hand is in his rookie year and he has done more to inspire my confidence in that time than Stuart did in his whole time here.

Sorry about being so long winded. This is a good thread and one I hope will invoke good sensible discussion rather than resulting in the infighting occurring among many of the members of this forum.
 

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For me it is still about winning as many games as possible. They have had 2 poor years previous to this which smashed their self confidence and the confidence they have in their team mates.

Priority number one has to be to try and win their remaining games and finish as high on the ladder as possible. Second to this is trialing a couple of changes, with the most important being townsend and kelly in the halves and either brining graham in off the bench or moving him to lock. I dont see much point in persisting with snowden as he is playing terrible and leaving anyway, so he and pommeroy would probably be the players i would drop.

I would like to see us persist with frizzel for a few more games and see luetele and peachy also be given a chance at some point.

With snowden not playing well i think gallen should play the remainder of the yeat at prop. Obviously only when he is fully fit.

I would run out with something like this

1.Gardaner
2.Stapleton
3. Matt wrtight
4. Colin Best/Luetelle
5. John Williams
6. AK
7. Townsend
8. Luke Douglas
9. John Morris
10. Paul Gallen
11. Jeremy Smith
12. Jason Bakuya/Frizz when injured
13. Wage Graham

14. Same Tagatese
15. Josh cordoba
16. Anthony topou
17 Tyson Frizzel/Tyrone Peachy
 

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Mate for me this is one of the more sensible reads that I have had on this forum in the last three weeks.

The first strategy we need to undertake is to stop bagging each other. Over the last three weeks I have read nothing but blokes on here ripping into each other after every loss. As a long term fan of 36 years that disappoints me the most.

The second thing is to remember exactly what you pointed out. Most people tipped us for the spoon, however three weeks ago every 'good' judge on here had us winning the comp. We have never had the side that can do this and the sooner we realize this the quicker we can focus on remaining loyal and positive to the club we all love.

The third thing we must do is experiment a little with our personnel. However, we need to win that Toyota Cup so we can't be affecting those chances. We have had very little success in any grade for so long that it is imperative that we give that comp a good shake. If we can do this and retain many of them then our future is very bright. Blokes like Chad Townsend, Stuart Mills, Luke Pickerd, Tyrone Peachey and Tyson Frizell need to experience that victory and then bring that culture into the top grade. We can't dick around with that side too much.

The fourth thing is to build our depth in key positions. This year we have had injuries to key players at the wrong times. AK and Gardner getting hurt in that one game turned our season on it's head. J Smith and J Morris injuries affected us also. We unearthed some good players in Bukuya but in the last few weeks he has been out and with Gal out also and Snowden battling injury, we have been a shadow of what we were three games ago. Our back line doesn't seem to scare anybody so it is here that we must look for those Toyota Cup guys to come through for us. We have started the process and already bought a few decent players to plug the gap that Dougie will leave, we must do more though. Toupo has to be our impact off the bench and while I like Pom sometimes, he just makes himself out to look ordinary at other times.

The fifth and final thing is to not turn on our coach. He has done some very good things so far and up until the last few weeks was a hero to many on here. It was said a few weeks ago that if we made the 8 he might be coach of the year. To me, he has gone a long way to repairing the damage the last idiot left the place in. Stuart was a bloody disgrace, he never looked after or nurtured any of the local talent. At one point last season in the depth of our despair, not one player in the 17 was a local junior. Our Toyota Cup was near the bottom. That guy really did nothing to inspire my confidence as a long term supporter. Flanno on the other hand is in his rookie year and he has done more to inspire my confidence in that time than Stuart did in his whole time here.

Sorry about being so long winded. This is a good thread and one I hope will invoke good sensible discussion rather than resulting in the infighting occurring among many of the members of this forum.

The sixth. Drink more, but hang with Snow, A.Snowden, Dj, Deep blue, Born & Bred, Dier and others (soz guys memory is fading). It makes getting smashed on the field far less painful!i
 

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1.Gardaner
2.Stapleton
3. Matt wrtight
4. Colin Best/Luetelle
5. John Williams
6. AK
7. Townsend
8. Luke Douglas
9. John Morris
10. Paul Gallen
11. Jeremy Smith
12. Jason Bakuya/Frizz when injured
13. Wage Graham

14. Same Tagatese
15. Josh cordoba
16. Anthony topou
17 Tyson Frizzel/Tyrone Peachy

I said this side after about 5 rounds and got shut down. this side will work i think
 

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I said this side after about 5 rounds and got shut down. this side will work i think

Honestly Shire, it does not matter who we name. If they turn up with the heart shown last night and play like busted arses, they will get smashed anyway.
 

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My strategy is to get back to a defensive structure that suits our style.

Not sure why Flanno chooses to play a 'hold back, slide defense' against the better sides e.g Broncs and St Merge.

We get looked stupid out wide with good opposition centres having a field day like Cooper and Hodges.

The Sharks best form of defense is increased line speed, meeting them on the advantage line. Our wingers should be pushing up and bringing the centres with them with an umbrella defense.
 

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Mate for me this is one of the more sensible reads that I have had on this forum in the last three weeks.

The first strategy we need to undertake is to stop bagging each other. Over the last three weeks I have read nothing but blokes on here ripping into each other after every loss. As a long term fan of 36 years that disappoints me the most.

The second thing is to remember exactly what you pointed out. Most people tipped us for the spoon, however three weeks ago every 'good' judge on here had us winning the comp. We have never had the side that can do this and the sooner we realize this the quicker we can focus on remaining loyal and positive to the club we all love.

The third thing we must do is experiment a little with our personnel. However, we need to win that Toyota Cup so we can't be affecting those chances. We have had very little success in any grade for so long that it is imperative that we give that comp a good shake. If we can do this and retain many of them then our future is very bright. Blokes like Chad Townsend, Stuart Mills, Luke Pickerd, Tyrone Peachey and Tyson Frizell need to experience that victory and then bring that culture into the top grade. We can't dick around with that side too much.

The fourth thing is to build our depth in key positions. This year we have had injuries to key players at the wrong times. AK and Gardner getting hurt in that one game turned our season on it's head. J Smith and J Morris injuries affected us also. We unearthed some good players in Bukuya but in the last few weeks he has been out and with Gal out also and Snowden battling injury, we have been a shadow of what we were three games ago. Our back line doesn't seem to scare anybody so it is here that we must look for those Toyota Cup guys to come through for us. We have started the process and already bought a few decent players to plug the gap that Dougie will leave, we must do more though. Toupo has to be our impact off the bench and while I like Pom sometimes, he just makes himself out to look ordinary at other times.

The fifth and final thing is to not turn on our coach. He has done some very good things so far and up until the last few weeks was a hero to many on here. It was said a few weeks ago that if we made the 8 he might be coach of the year. To me, he has gone a long way to repairing the damage the last idiot left the place in. Stuart was a bloody disgrace, he never looked after or nurtured any of the local talent. At one point last season in the depth of our despair, not one player in the 17 was a local junior. Our Toyota Cup was near the bottom. That guy really did nothing to inspire my confidence as a long term supporter. Flanno on the other hand is in his rookie year and he has done more to inspire my confidence in that time than Stuart did in his whole time here.

Sorry about being so long winded. This is a good thread and one I hope will invoke good sensible discussion rather than resulting in the infighting occurring among many of the members of this forum.

Very well put mate. One thing we can't forget about in the 20s is townsend needs another game to qualify for semis, so at some stage we unfortunately have to put him back there. We have to remain solid & stock with flano & let him build this team.
 
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We need to work on the little things, blood a few players without disturbing our NSW Cup and NYC teams too much. We need to try and win these lower comps to give our boys a bit more confidence (mainly the NYC).

For me we need to:

a) Blood Leutele in a centre position for atleast three games.
b) Give Frizzell more games in the NRL and let him drop back for the NYC finals.
c) Give Townsend 1, 2 or 3 more games before allowing him to gel with the NYC and try to win that.
d) With the games we give Townsend we need to move Graham to lock and put Kelly in 5/8 to prepare for next year.
e) Trial Jeremy Smith at prop.

Outside of that I wouldn't change too much.

I wouldn't mind seeing this side run for the next 2-4 weeks

1 Gardner
2 Stapleton
3 Wright
4 Leutele
5 Best/Williams (I'm against Best on the wing but I want to see both Wright and Leutele in the centres)
6 Kelly
7 Townsend
8 J.Smith
9 Morris
10 Douglas
11 Bukuya
12 Gallen
13 Graham

14 Frizzell
15 Tupou
16 Tagatese
17 Cordoba

However I would also allow Townsend, Leutele and Frizzell enough time with the lower grade to still be used to the team for the finals.

I don't think it would hurt to play Gallen for shorter minutes for the rest of the season either.
 

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The sixth. Drink more, but hang with Snow, A.Snowden, Dj, Deep blue, Born & Bred, Dier and others (soz guys memory is fading). It makes getting smashed on the field far less painful!i

Haha - we had a ball in 317, despite the loss. I wonder if that kid will give me my scarf back...
 

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Personally I'd send Townsend back now. Nothing to do with his form - I just think if the NYC team has a good shot to win he should go back sooner rather than later, and I've seen enough of him to know that he should be our first choice #7 next season.

If we are chopping and changing I would probably go with Kelly and Porter in the halves TBH. Graham (back row) and Kelly (hooker) can then be both tried elsewhere and both also spend time in the halves. I'm not a Porter fan but he could fill in until the end of the season if Townsend goes back. Neither Porter or Kelly will have played enough games in the NSW Cup to play the finals anyway.

I'd also like to see a few more young guys get a look but only one or two at a time.


I will add in response to the OP that I thought Snowden was our best player last night - but he only played 30 minutes (which we won 12-6) so yeah, he's obviously not fully fit.
 
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I think we should drop anyone that wont be here next year if they aren't one of our best players or people who don't have any improvement left. We have to win every game from here so if we lose one in the next couple of weeks this is my team:

1-gardner
2-stapo
3-leutele (this is his time to prove himself for next year and if he impresses he will have a good shot at the centres next year, if he doesn't I think wright should play there)
4-best
5-wright (If leutele doesn't work out he should get the centre spot)
6-kelly (has to come back this week)
7-townsend (drop him back in the last 2 rounds so he has time to gel with the team and get ready for a big finals run)
8-snowden (to play about 45 mins a game instead of the long minutes he often plays, this gives taga more time at prop and mannah aswell)
9-morris
10-douglas (same as snow)
11-smith
12-graham
13-gallen (to play 60 mins a game, to give the young guys more minutes)

14-frizzell (in round 24 when bukuya comes back he should go back and help the 20's to a premiership)
15-tagataese
16-mannah (offers about the same if not more than cordoba and has plenty of improvement. If we play him it will also hopefully keep him here next season)
17-tupou
 
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