State Of Origin 2010 General Discussion

[IronShark]

So here's exactly why Origin is a ****in' joke and needs to be pissed off to the end of the season or the start, like the rest of the circus act, promotional crap. For Origin III, we could potentially have Gallen, Barrett and Snowden all selected. Add to that the chance that Dougie might get a call up if Weyman goes (which he should. If he doesn't, it's just another example of Origin's corrupting influence on the game).

As a Club, we sit on a tightrope where we potentially can still make the finals. You take out our three (potentially four) best players and what was a very winnable game now becomes a virtual mission impossible.

Ultimately, this could cost us our season. Add to this the fact that the players are obviously encouraged to go out and "turn it on" for the cameras, which results in an O'Donnell style brain explosion by Gal or Snowden and they are gone for a few more weeks. Then of course there is the chance of injury...

Is it really worth it to put a Club's season at risk so a bunch of inbred retards can strut around for a couple of weeks yelling "QUEENSLANDER" and high-fiving each other before going home to kiss their sister?

Seriously, our boys sweat blood to achieve that win against the Cowboys and keep their season alive. Are we seriously going to risk it for this crap?

The only blue jersey I care about has got a Shark on it.

 

[ROB SHARK]

Origin needs to be a stand alone fixture so no teams get crippled by rep duties. Take the goons vs panthers this week should be match of the year so far, but coz of SOO will be half the spectacle it could be.

 

[IronShark]

Origin needs to be a stand alone fixture so no teams get crippled by rep duties. Take the goons vs panthers this week should be match of the year so far, but coz of SOO will be half the spectacle it could be.

Absolutely. It's a ****in' joke. It should be one game at the end of the season.

 

[Illawarra Shark]

Origin needs to be a stand alone fixture so no teams get crippled by rep duties. Take the goons vs panthers this week should be match of the year so far, but coz of SOO will be half the spectacle it could be.

One of the smartest posts we will ever see on any league site

 

[Ibanez]

Origin needs to be a stand alone fixture so no teams get crippled by rep duties. Take the goons vs panthers this week should be match of the year so far, but coz of SOO will be half the spectacle it could be.

I think Rothfield mentioned it in the ST today. It's an absolute joke the way it's set out. What a game that would've been!

 

[Capital_Shark]

Yeah.. **** millions of dollars and ratings and promotion for the game, what about the Sharkies finals hopes?

Wake up ********.

 

[IronShark]

Yeah.. **** millions of dollars and ratings and promotion for the game, what about the Sharkies finals hopes?

Wake up ********.

Not remarkable you're one of the poor simpletons who've been sucked into this marketing gimmick. You've probably got an Abmaster 2000 and a H2O Steam Mop as well!

Origin started as a one game contest between players that were from NSW against players who were from QLD. Now it's some sort of promotional money making crap with players from wherever playing for whoever they feel like.

Just because something makes money doesn't mean it's good. The war in Iraq makes millions of dollars for companies like Halliburton, it must be a good idea. The Indian Premier League makes a stack more money for players than Test Cricket but no player selected for their country would choose to take the cash.

Rugby League was built on the premiership competition. It was, and still is, the pinnacle of achievment for any NRL player. Ask any player whether they would rather win a Grand Final or win an Origin series and I guarantee you know the answer.

Nothing that compromises the premiership should be allowed. It's just another reason the AFL has so much more support at Club level than League - the club is everything. AFL supporters would riot if they were told their top players were exempt for three weeks of the home and away season to play in what is essentially a promotional tool.

Peter Sterling pretty much said exactly this on the Footy Show today, he called for all trials, City/Country and even Tests to be played outside the regular season. Of course, he didn't dare to mention Origin in this concept - criticism of Rugby League and Channel Nine's cash cow is strictly VERBOTEN!

Here's a simple question for you and anyone else who considers themselves a Sharks fan: If you had to choose between the Sharks winning a premiership and "your" state losing the Origin series for the next twenty years, what would you choose?

Think about it, the answer is so simple it PROVES Origin means nothing.

 

[SharkBoy]

Well said Iron.

 

[sharkafar]

So here's exactly why Origin is a ****in' joke and needs to be pissed off to the end of the season or the start, like the rest of the circus act, promotional crap. For Origin III, we could potentially have Gallen, Barrett and Snowden all selected. Add to that the chance that Dougie might get a call up if Weyman goes (which he should. If he doesn't, it's just another example of Origin's corrupting influence on the game).

As a Club, we sit on a tightrope where we potentially can still make the finals. You take out our three (potentially four) best players and what was a very winnable game now becomes a virtual mission impossible.

Ultimately, this could cost us our season. Add to this the fact that the players are obviously encouraged to go out and "turn it on" for the cameras, which results in an O'Donnell style brain explosion by Gal or Snowden and they are gone for a few more weeks. Then of course there is the chance of injury...

Is it really worth it to put a Club's season at risk so a bunch of inbred retards can strut around for a couple of weeks yelling "QUEENSLANDER" and high-fiving each other before going home to kiss their sister?

Seriously, our boys sweat blood to achieve that win against the Cowboys and keep their season alive. Are we seriously going to risk it for this crap?

The only blue jersey I care about has got a Shark on it.

For Christ's sake! Who put a dollar in Ironshark again?! :fergo:

 

[Jigsaw]

I cant wait to see the boys play Origin. Maybe now without Gallen and Snowden and maybe Douglas some of the other boys might stand up and actually play without relying on these guys.

A teams only as good as its weakest man. The other guys need to man the **** up and take some responsibility. The Broncos and Storm have done it for years. Now its our turn. Just think what this could do for Snowden and Douglas for there careers in the long run hey

 

[BUZ]

...As a Club, we sit on a tightrope where we potentially can still make the finals. You take out our three (potentially four) best players and what was a very winnable game now becomes a virtual mission impossible...

What is probably more disturbing is that close enough to a quarter of our 17 are in deserved serious contention for Origin spots... Why are we only equal 11th on the ladder?

So does anyone know if the Queensland Women made it 11 straight origin wins yesterday? :ridiculed

 

[SharkBoy]

So does anyone know if the Queensland Women made it 11 straight origin wins yesterday? :ridiculed

They sure did

 

[BUZ]

bahahahahahaha

 

[Capital_Shark]

For Christ's sake! Who put a dollar in Ironshark again?! :fergo:

Sorry, me again.

Not remarkable you're one of the poor simpletons who've been sucked into this marketing gimmick. You've probably got an Abmaster 2000 and a H2O Steam Mop as well!

Origin started as a one game contest between players that were from NSW against players who were from QLD. Now it's some sort of promotional money making crap with players from wherever playing for whoever they feel like.

Just because something makes money doesn't mean it's good. The war in Iraq makes millions of dollars for companies like Halliburton, it must be a good idea. The Indian Premier League makes a stack more money for players than Test Cricket but no player selected for their country would choose to take the cash.

Rugby League was built on the premiership competition. It was, and still is, the pinnacle of achievment for any NRL player. Ask any player whether they would rather win a Grand Final or win an Origin series and I guarantee you know the answer.

Nothing that compromises the premiership should be allowed. It's just another reason the AFL has so much more support at Club level than League - the club is everything. AFL supporters would riot if they were told their top players were exempt for three weeks of the home and away season to play in what is essentially a promotional tool.

Peter Sterling pretty much said exactly this on the Footy Show today, he called for all trials, City/Country and even Tests to be played outside the regular season. Of course, he didn't dare to mention Origin in this concept - criticism of Rugby League and Channel Nine's cash cow is strictly VERBOTEN!

Here's a simple question for you and anyone else who considers themselves a Sharks fan: If you had to choose between the Sharks winning a premiership and "your" state losing the Origin series for the next twenty years, what would you choose?

Think about it, the answer is so simple it PROVES Origin means nothing.

I'm not going to bother debating the legitimacy or whatever of the Origin concept with you. People still chuckle at those who thought Origin was a bull**** concept destined for failure 30 odd years ago. Even they've considered they were a bit off the mark.

But you call for the demotion of the game's highest rating, biggest earning, code promoting monster to a 1 off exhibition match, or gone completely. But what makes up the tones of dollars the game loses by doing that?

In the next TV deal the regular rounds, finals and Origin will be sold as separate packages. Origin will get plenty, second only to rounds 1-26 but dollar to game ratio won't even be close.

As for your question about weighing up 2 decades of Origin loss in trade of 1 Sharkies premiership.. Hopefully if it comes down to this it coincides with the Blues cause then we should only be 15 years away!

 

[snowman]

get over it, its at the same time every year, so we are missing a few players, the strom missed 8 players in 07 and didnt whinge, they went about there business... if we are a team in contention for finals, lets play like it on the weekend

 

[Mark^Bastard]

You're right actually.

We could have had no Sharks in origin and lost the game anyway, and we'd be blowing up at the snub.

Maybe these guys will go play Origin, win the dead rubber, and be back on a high for the rest of the year. Maybe Snowden will play out of his skin even more like Shillington did. Maybe the guys that didn't make Origin will take their chance to stand up and be counted instead of hiding in the shadows of Gallen/Snowden and the team will be stronger for it? Maybe even some of the guys that come in will be valuable depth experience later on if there's an injury? Who knows.

 

[snowman]

yep... its been happeing for years, no point complaining now

 

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Bellamy sees pluses in full-time job - Brisbane Times

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Bellamy sees pluses in full-time job
DAVID BENIUK
June 30, 2010 - 6:59PM

NSW coach Craig Bellamy concedes there could be benefits in the Blues hiring a full-time coach for next year's State of Origin series.

Bellamy could be the last of the Blues bosses to juggle duties at an NRL club as the NSWRL prepares to conduct a sweeping review of their Origin set-up.

Queensland coach Mal Meninga has been solely at the helm of the Maroons for five years, a tenure coinciding with a record five straight series wins.

Bellamy will make his full thoughts known to Brian Canavan, the former Sydney Roosters chief executive charged with dissecting the Blues' structure, but can already see the pluses of the position being full-time.

"I suppose there's a lot of advantages to having a guy that's not coaching in the NRL," Bellamy told reporters on Wednesday.

"He can probably do a little bit more between the Origin series as far as getting around to the players and doing his plan or whatever.

"I've got an opinion on a few things, I'll let the appropriate people know at the end of this series, but at the end of the day there is some argument that probably would see that as a positive move."

Bellamy, who has been at the Blues' helm for three consecutive Origin series losses, has had the added stress in 2010 of leading a Melbourne side unable to earn points after the NRL club's salary cap scandal.

He said the added workload of an intense Origin campaign could make coaches flat in the same way players have long been believed to suffer a post-series letdown.

"I knew it was going to be a tough job, you have to put a whole heap of time into it and I've got a responsibility at Melbourne as well so it was always going to be a stretch of my time," he said.

"I came away from (my first) series pretty much exhausted so I had to be a little bit smarter the last two series ... so I certainly learnt from that first one.

"It took a fair bit out of me but Origin does that.

"I know when my players come back from playing Origin they can be quite tired for a few weeks and it's the same with coaches I think."

Already the first NSW coach to survive two straight series losses, the 50-year-old is aware he is unlikely to be in the NSW job next year, although he hasn't officially ruled himself out.

A report after Origin II said the Storm mentor had offered his resignation following the 34-6 demolition by Queensland at Suncorp Stadium, something Bellamy is reluctant to elaborate on.

Legendary NSW coach Phil Gould, Country boss Laurie Daley, Blues great Brad Fittler and outgoing Cronulla mentor Ricky Stuart are among the club-less candidates who have been mentioned in connection with the job.

Gould, who has won more Origin series than any other coach, has said he would consider a return if the game was managed by an independent commission.

Earlier, Bellamy shrugged off comments from his NRL club captain Cameron Smith that the Blues made too many changes to their State of Origin team.

Queensland and Melbourne hooker Smith suggested NSW "don't learn their lesson" on Tuesday after Blues selectors made eight changes for Origin III, including three debutant front-rowers.

"Cameron's always got an opinion on something so that's fine," Bellamy told reporters on Wednesday.

"That's his way of looking at things.

"There's a bit of an eye this time (with selections) looking to the future as well.

"Having said that, I think all these guys really deserve to be in there, they've been playing really well at NRL level.

"I don't think it's a gamble, I think these guys deserve to be there."

Props Jason King, Kade Snowden and Tim Mannah and winger Michael Gordon will all make their Origin debuts for the Blues at ANZ Stadium next Wednesday.

But just how many of the Blues' Origin II side would have survived is clouded by the returns of game one forwards Luke Lewis (suspension) and Anthony Watmough (groin), suspensions to Michael Weyman, Luke O'Donnell and Timana Tahu and injury to Matt Cooper (hamstring).

Backrowers Ben Creagh, Trent Waterhouse and Nathan Hindmarsh, prop Brett White and winger Joel Monaghan, however, were overlooked.

"It's really great to see those (new) guys come in, they're so enthusiastic about playing Origin," Bellamy said.

"We'll have to work a little bit harder this week to fit them into what we want to do and how we want to do it."

NSW trained on Wednesday morning at Parramatta Stadium, where ground staff were forced to water the grass after it iced over as Sydney shivers through a cold snap.

 

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Blues job could soon be a sole man's gig

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Blues job could soon be a sole man’s gig
DAVID BENIUK
01 Jul, 2010 12:00 AM

NSW coach Craig Bellamy concedes there could be pluses in the Blues hiring a full-time coach for next year's State of Origin series.

Bellamy could be the last of the Blues bosses to juggle duties at an NRL club as the NSWRL prepares to conduct a sweeping review of its Origin set-up.

Queensland coach Mal Meninga has been solely at the helm of the Maroons for five years, a tenure coinciding with a record five straight series wins.

Bellamy will make his full thoughts known to Brian Canavan, the former Sydney Roosters chief executive charged with dissecting the Blues' structure.

But he conceded yesterday, ''I suppose there's a lot of advantages to having a guy that's not coaching in the NRL. He can probably do a little bit more between the Origin series as far as getting around to the players and doing his plan or whatever.

''I've got an opinion on a few things, I'll let the appropriate people know at the end of this series, but at the end of the day there is some argument that probably would see that as a positive move.''

Bellamy, who has been at the Blues' helm for three consecutive Origin series losses, has had the added stress in 2010 of leading a Melbourne side unable to earn points after the NRL club's salary cap scandal. He said the added workload of an intense Origin campaign could make coaches flat in the same way players have long been believed to suffer a post-series let-down.

''I knew it was going to be a tough job, you have to put a whole heap of time into it and I've got a responsibility at Melbourne as well, so it was always going to be a stretch of my time,'' he said.

''I came away from [my first] series pretty much exhausted, so I had to be a little bit smarter the past two series ... so I certainly learnt from that first one. It took a fair bit out of me but Origin does that.

''I know when my players come back from playing Origin they can be quite tired for a few weeks and it's the same with coaches I think.''

Already the first NSW coach to survive two straight series losses, the 50-year-old is aware he is unlikely to be in the NSW job next year, although he hasn't officially ruled himself out.

A report after Origin II said the Storm mentor had offered his resignation following the 34-6 demolition by Queensland at Suncorp Stadium, something Bellamy is reluctant to elaborate on.

Legendary NSW coach Phil Gould, Country boss Laurie Daley, Blues great Brad Fittler and outgoing Cronulla mentor Ricky Stuart are among the clubless candidates mentioned in connection with the job. Gould, who has won more Origin series than any other coach, has said he would consider a return if the game was managed by an independent commission.

 

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Gallen still hurting over Origin I - The Australian

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Paul Gallen still hurting over Origin I
Brent Read
July 02, 2010 12:00AM

PAUL Gallen has spoken to coach Craig Bellamy about his omission from the NSW side for the opening game of this year's Origin series.

The reason? He was trying too hard when he pulled on a Cronulla jersey. "I tried too hard and I came up with some errors," Gallen said.

"He's probably right, but if you have a look at my Origin games and Test games, I don't have to try as hard. I just do my job, and I think I've performed pretty well at Test and Origin level. It's just a different game for me.

"I'm probably more comfortable coming here because I know I only have to do my job, rather than being at Cronulla, I probably do try to do everything."

Gallen has been a victim of circumstance at the Sharks. As the best player at a struggling club, he has appeared at times to fight a lone hand. It seems his tireless efforts have cost him at least one representative jumper.

For some, it would be hard to swallow - busting a gut at club level only to be told he was attempting to do too much.

Gallen, however, has accepted Bellamy's reasons for overlooking him for Origin I.

"I'm fine with it," he said. "It's obviously disappointing. You want to be here from the start and play as many Origin games as you can."

Teammate Kade Snowden has joined him in a Blues jumper for the third and final game. Gallen predicts Snowden is here to stay.

"He's just a big man," Gallen said. "We call him the Mattress, because he's just a big king-sized mattress. I'm really happy for him, and I'm really proud of him.

"He's trained really hard, he does a lot of extras on his fitness and his agility. He's ready for this sort of footy, and I'm sure he'll do well."