Official Siosifa Talakai

[bort]

Do players sign into positions these days? I don't think it affects his value or potential paycheck if he signed as either in any case

The ol' Flanno deal aye

I see you as an elite player and will pay you spine money then play you wherever you fit

Outside the organisation you mean? We have some good outside backs in the pipeline.

Be interesting to see if we try lock up Sifa and Ramien, both contracted for next year.
Or if we back Tracey (2024) to be able to do the job if Iro or someone else isn't up for it by then.

Only keeping one of those two seems like a good way to help free up our Rumour: Burton money

 

[HaroldBishop]

The ol' Flanno deal aye

I see you as an elite player and will pay you spine money then play you wherever you fit



Be interesting to see if we try lock up Sifa and Ramien, both contracted for next year.
Or if we back Tracey (2024) to be able to do the job if Iro or someone else isn't up for it by then.

Only keeping one of those two seems like a good way to help free up our Rumour: Burton money

Have to keep Sifa and Jesse.

Free up Burton money by flicking Moylan, we then only need another ~400k. That shouldn't be hard given Fifita and Wade are off contract.

 

[Sparkles]

Yeah - they do. It probably doesn't matter specifically in Talakai's case, since the Sharks know what they are getting and Talakai knows the coach. For players switching clubs they'd want to have some idea of where the coach plans to fit them in, and the coach would have some idea of how he wants to allocate his cap.

You'd think it would be based more on the 'some idea' than expectation you'll actually slot into and keep a specific role these days, surely. Probably a broader conversation around the players strengths, preference, best oppportunity based on the current squad and coaches needs, and salary. I think you see a lot of players and coaches come undone signing guy into specific roles and not being able to keep that promise.

 

[bort]

Have to keep Sifa and Jesse.

Free up Burton money by flicking Moylan, we then only need another ~400k. That shouldn't be hard given Fifita and Wade are off contract.

We must have the roosters cap the amount of problems I see the Wade and Fifita money thrown at, it's not an infinite pool.

Brailey, BHU, Williams and maybe some others all already likely on more in 2024 than they are right now, given recent extensions.
And we already have Oregon Kaufusi coming.

And we also "need" to retain Katoa, Kennedy, Mulitalo, Nikora (debatable), Wilton who are all off contract either now or then too.

Be pretty expensive to retain all our back 5 all off contract same year, which ones are you prepared to lose?

 

[HaroldBishop]

We must have the roosters cap the amount of problems I see the Wade and Fifita money thrown at, it's not an infinite pool.

Brailey, BHU, Williams and maybe some others all already likely on more in 2024 than they are right now, given recent extensions.
And we already have Oregon Kaufusi coming.

And we also "need" to retain Katoa, Kennedy, Mulitalo, Nikora (debatable), Wilton who are all off contract either now or then too.

Be pretty expensive to retain all our back 5 all off contract same year, which ones are you prepared to lose?

I don't think we would have paid a heap for Kaufusi. Letting Tolman go can pay for a bit of his wage.

Let Nikora go. Next year go with edges of Teig and Sifa.

Yes we will need to upgrade Kennedy, Big Sexy and Ron. Not sure how much that will cost but none are elite at this stage.

Wade, Fifita and Moylan is ~2m, that's a lot of cap space to play with. If we can't manage to manufacture what we want with that much coin we need to hire new people to manage the cap.

 

[bort]

I don't think we would have paid a heap for Kaufusi. Letting Tolman go can pay for a bit of his wage.

Let Nikora go. Next year go with edges of Teig and Sifa.

Yes we will need to upgrade Kennedy, Big Sexy and Ron. Not sure how much that will cost but none are elite at this stage.

Wade, Fifita and Moylan is ~2m, that's a lot of cap space to play with. If we can't manage to manufacture what we want with that much coin we need to hire new people to manage the cap.

It is a big chunk of money but when you're talking about spending 850k of it on Burton the pool gets a lot smaller very quick.
I think if we were paying Burton $850k to come to us then upgrading Hynes to $850k is the right thing to do (and the smart thing to do too)*

So that's around 1.1/2 spent which leaves approx 900 to retain Ramien (hopefully on no more), Talakai (Origin and selected for Tonga), Mulitalo (NZ), Katoa (Samoa) and will Kennedy who has a good couple of years now as a very dangerous spine player, and Teig who is a good up and coming edge player. Throw in more money for Brailey, BHU and Williams too though and you can probably see why I think it is a stretch.

Your concession for Nikora to leave (oh no, anyway...) and use Talakai on edge definitely helps.
Tracey/Iro/Ferris then become your centres probably (based off current players in system).
Personally I would suspect we probably lose at least one more of Sione, Ronnie or Will too, replace with Tracey/Iro/Ferris/Dykes**/Miller/Lualua/Stonestree/Samrani/whoever the **** because we are talking 2024


*Nicho chose us in the first place Burton only would be coming because the weak club he chose stayed weak. Nicho also would be (hopefully) worth extending and retaining at that stage and a nice early upgrade probably helps get that done smoothly.
**another spot where some money may be spent to retain, however could be a cheap Kennedy replacement (with Taukamo for depth).

 

[HaroldBishop]

It is a big chunk of money but when you're talking about spending 850k of it on Burton the pool gets a lot smaller very quick.
I think if we were paying Burton $850k to come to us then upgrading Hynes to $850k is the right thing to do (and the smart thing to do too) - he is the one who chose us in the first place. Burton would just be coming because the **** side he chose stayed ****. Worth the spend to keep them both happy IMO

So that's around 1.1/2 spent which leaves approx 900 to retain Ramien (hopefully on no more), Talakai (Origin and selected for Tonga), Mulitalo (NZ), Katoa (Samoa) and will Kennedy who has a good couple of years now as a very dangerous spine player, and Teig who is a good up and coming edge player. Throw in more money for Brailey, BHU and Williams too though and you can probably see why I think it is a stretch.

Your concession for Nikora to leave (oh no, anyway...) and use Talakai on edge definitely helps.
Tracey/Iro/Ferris then become your centres probably (based off current players in system).
Personally I would suspect we probably lose at least one more of Sione, Ronnie or Will too, replace with Tracey/Iro/Ferris/Dykes*/Miller/Lualua/Stonestree/Samrani/whoever the **** because we are talking 2024

*another spot where some money may be spent to retain, however could be a cheap Kennedy replacement (with Taukamo for depth).

I know there's been speculation in the past about Ronnie wanting to return to QLD one day, no idea if that's still a thing.

Best case would be for Dykes to step up and take the 5/8 role but we're not going to know if that's realistic for a while yet.

In regards to Burton, I look at him costing $450k if we were to flick Moylan. If we extend Moylan for two years then I think that just about sinks much hope of getting Burton in 2024.

It's definitely a tough job, not one I'd like to do.

 

[bort]

I know there's been speculation in the past about Ronnie wanting to return to QLD one day, no idea if that's still a thing.

Best case would be for Dykes to step up and take the 5/8 role but we're not going to know if that's realistic for a while yet.

In regards to Burton, I look at him costing $450k if we were to flick Moylan. If we extend Moylan for two years then I think that just about sinks much hope of getting Burton in 2024.

It's definitely a tough job, not one I'd like to do.

You can't call Fifita+Wade+Moylan 2 million but then only count Burton as 450k though haha

I agree if we were realistically after Burton then no way we can have Moylan on books for that year.
2 years of Moylan buys time for Dykes to come through (realistically could be two years) or at least for us to identify we need to look externally.

I think if Ronnie left us it would be to a Qld club. I would guess that on an even offer Ronnie stays, but it wouldn't take a much bigger bid for a Qld club to get him.

Could be an interesting job but probably a bit more stressful than just chatting about it on a forum!

 

[Sparkles]

I know there's been speculation in the past about Ronnie wanting to return to QLD one day, no idea if that's still a thing.

Best case would be for Dykes to step up and take the 5/8 role but we're not going to know if that's realistic for a while yet.

In regards to Burton, I look at him costing $450k if we were to flick Moylan. If we extend Moylan for two years then I think that just about sinks much hope of getting Burton in 2024.

It's definitely a tough job, not one I'd like to do.

Yeah mate, I think if our recruitment people get Burton for $450k they deserve the job for life! And that'd have to only be the first year, he surely steps up as he plays more rep footy and improves in a decent team.

I don't like the sounds of Bort's scenario though... could you ask him to stop saying we'll lose good players please.

 

[Deleted member T1]

I’d hope Ronnie feels like there is unfinished business. I’d be happy to give him 2-3 years and if we can’t get the job done by then, he can ride his dolphin out into the sunset

 

[Thresher]

Bloody hippies

 

[Proud Shark]

I’d hope Ronnie feels like there is unfinished business. I’d be happy to give him 2-3 years and if we can’t get the job done by then, he can ride his dolphin out into the sunset

Ronnie seems like a very loyal dude. I think if you don't insult him he isn't going anywhere.

 

[Thresher]

Woops

 

[HaroldBishop]

Ronnie seems like a very loyal dude. I think if you don't insult him he isn't going anywhere.

Hopefully, he's really stepped it up this year.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Ronnie seems like a very loyal dude. I think if you don't insult him he isn't going anywhere.

Woops

If he goes, we know who to come looking for……..

Use nice words please Thresher!

 

[Gards]

Sifa is one of our best players week in week out - right now he is invaluable to us and you would pay him the bank to keep him. He's having more impact on a game than Sharks players on twice his salary but nearly every club would have examples of that.

But a contract has to consider the potential future performances of a player and the balance of a squad and the same would go for another club looking to recruit him. Fortunately we have Sifa until end of 2023 already contracted so it gives us another 12 months or so to access where Sifa and our wider squad is at.

Jesse is on what roughly $500k - they way he is playing this year I don't feel unhappy about that, he is earning that - when he ain't suspended

Sifa has been going even better than Jesse in the centres + can cover in the forwards and has now played Origin

I think he's a $600k man now (dunno what he currently on but I would imagine $600k would be a significant bump) and it's that sort of coin or more we will prob be competing with. If his form keeps up well into 2023 it would be even more coin.

I reckon an "overs" offer or desperate offer from another club might not be that far beyond what we actual offer him as being a non spine player kinda puts an artificial cap on the sort of money he would realistically get offered but when you are a gun fullback or half offers can vary by $500k+ between clubs! Clubs go all out for key positions to build a squad around.

Whether clubs see him as or want him as a forward or centre might determine how crazy the offers might get as it's not abnormal for a middle forward or even edge forward to get paid massive money so the non-spine player thing certainty has increasingly more common exceptions.

if we are to believe Zero Tackle they have Stephen Crichton of the Panthers @ $600k per year and he is one of the best centres in the game but probs not the highest paid.

Some of it will depend on how much currency Sifa puts in the loyalty/reward the club kinda factor as he says he's grateful for getting another chance at the Sharks to play NRL and he seems pretty settled here now.

Tracey is a step or 2 below Talakai and Jesse and hoping one of our younger backs could fill the void is risky.
Having said that i have my doubts if Sifa will be a long term centre for us but if he keeps playing at this level how could you move him.

He is giving us the punch of a forward and the skills and play making of an outside back

 

[Gumby]

I think he would stay with us for 550k a season.

 

[Western Sharkie]

I think he would stay with us for 550k a season.

Can you get that in writing from him or his manager pls

 

[Gumby]

Can you get that in writing from him or his manager pls

I'll send him a tweet

 

[MMsharks]

192 run metres
he tucked that ball under the arm tonight