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That Manly game will be a curse for Sifa for the next few years. He's going to be held against that standard as what he can achieve. When in reality, it was just as much about a shocking defender as it was about him being good.
It was more about the Sharks forwards completely dominating the ruck than it was about either of those things.

He'd be fibbing, we don't win the middle ...
We did for one half in a season of footy.

People bang on like Talakai put the team on his back ffs. It's total bullshit. If defenders are backpedaling, it's not because they are scared. It's because they don't have numbers and the play the ball was too fast for them to adjust.

I actually think Talakai has been better this year than last year.
 
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I personally definitely think all three of Sifa, Moylan and Wilton need to improve their defence, and all contribute to making it harder for each other.

The problem flows from Wilton out - I kind of blame him the most as the 2rf is supposed to set the edge and the outside men work off of him.
However he is also the most junior of the players, so I certainly don't blame him alone. Actually blame is probably the wrong word all together, however if I could pick any one of the three to drastically improve their defence it'd be him. I think that would then flow on the benefit the other two.

Wilton can be drawn in and can also be indecisive, additionally he is not the strongest defender and I don't think his on the line D communication is great (an assumption). This is mostly youth and inexperience I expect.
Moylan then also becomes indecisive and when out of position seems to opt to play touch instead of at least trying. Even though he won't make many 1v1 stops on the line I think we'd all appreciate a bit more effort.
Then Talakai has Moylan who won't/can't make 1v1s who might need his help but lacks the lateral movement to adjust in or out after he hedges his bets, so he gets stood up out of position.

To be fair also while this does need to be fixed up a bit it's not like no other side in the NRL has leaked any points. A well worked 3v2 created and executed will be the 'cause' of the try more often than any one two or three of these guys personal defence. No person or edge in the NRL has perfect defence. When you factor in a well created 3v2 often comes off a won ruck it is evidently more than just a 3 man problem, but that doesn't mean they have no responsibility to get better.
We don't watch our own backline shred opposition and thing 'oh lucky they have weak tryline defenders', we credit our good work to create and execute.

Another factor in our edge tryline defence is Kennedy often trails the play along the line. Some fullbacks trail to cover kicks, offloads and angle changes. Some fullbacks push hard outwards and are more likely to get to a point where they assist with a tackle on an in to out string of passes, but they can't assist if anything else happens as they overrun it. I couldn't tell you which is more effective. It's possible Kennedy could get better at reading which to do when, although it would be tough to make those calls on the fly, especially against good halves.

Probably other factors too I haven't thought to mention or am not even aware to look for. It's a team game, individuals can improve to help the team but the team can improve to help the individuals too.

tldr; yes, Talakai and Moylan need to work on their defence
I actually read something today which said Wilton was tackling at 90% which I think given his age and experience is quite good. But yes he has work to do.
 

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It was more about the Sharks forwards completely dominating the ruck than it was about either of those things.


We did for one half in a season of footy.

People bang on like Talakai put the team on his back ffs. It's total bullshit. If defenders are backpedaling, it's not because they are scared. It's because they don't have numbers and the play the ball was too fast for them to adjust.

I actually think Talakai has been better this year than last year.
I think at least one of the DCE efforts may have been fear, from memory he just kind of runs alongside him and doesn't attempt to close the gap haha

I actually read something today which said Wilton was tackling at 90% which I think given his age and experience is quite good. But yes he has work to do.
Yeah in general play he is solid, it's on the line when a backline movement is targeting runners around him and Moylan to try and create a 3 on 2 further out that he needs to most improve.

Sometimes he hovers too long on the decoy, or commits to a decoy when someone else from inside has them, and then Moylan can't safely slide as he isn't sure if Wilton is coming, and then Talakai hovers between his man and Moylans. And then either his man blasts past him to score because he can't adjust in time or Ronnie comes in and the winger scores and we say goddamn Talakai or goddamn it Ronnie stay on your wing.
Famously a tough defensive position to be in - hence why so many teams for so many years run backline movements designed to create these situations.

Pretty sure I've mentioned it before but look who Bennett prioritised for Dolphins - Storms two key edge defenders to try and give his backline of fringe nrl players a chance to stop anything.
 

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That Manly game will be a curse for Sifa for the next few years. He's going to be held against that standard as what he can achieve. When in reality, it was just as much about a shocking defender as it was about him being good.
Pretty funny how some expect those stats every week.
 
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It was more about the Sharks forwards completely dominating the ruck than it was about either of those things.

People bang on like Talakai put the team on his back ffs. It's total bullshit. If defenders are backpedaling, it's not because they are scared. It's because they don't have numbers and the play the ball was too fast for them to adjust.

I actually think Talakai has been better this year than last year.
Yeah don't disagree with any of that. Especially agree with the bold. You could easily interchange my comment of defender with defense as a whole. Manly were putrid in that half and we were powering through them. My intention was more around discussing that stat line re performance than necessarily him producing it solo.
 

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Ah no.

He’d be well down the list with Tommy Turbo, Campbell Graham, Matt Burton and Stephen Crichton all in front of him.
Yeah. If you made a list of all of the guys who are actually playing left centre week to week in the NRL he is near the top of it. Once you factor in guys player other spots who could be picked there, he gets bumped down.
 
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I think his cards are marked for a bit, he was poorly used in the first place but can’t seem them picking him for a while.
Yep. Filter had NFI on how to use Sifa which meant he was underused and Ineffective which reflected poorly on him (unfairly).
Can’t see Sifa getting another opportunity just yet when factoring in the likes of TommyT and Trell that are likely to come right back into centre contention.
 

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Yep. Filter had NFI on how to use Sifa which meant he was underused and Ineffective which reflected poorly on him (unfairly).
Can’t see Sifa getting another opportunity just yet when factoring in the likes of TommyT and Trell that are likely to come right back into centre contention.
I guess it was just the way the game went. Nobody got hurt. I could see a 3 forwards + Sifa bench being quite useful as long as you have guys through the lineup who can cover injuries to halves and hooker. Sifa gives you injury cover at 3 spots, or an extra 15-minutes of power in the middle.

If you pick a “14” bench utility, Sifa becomes less valuable.
 

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I guess it was just the way the game went. Nobody got hurt. I could see a 3 forwards + Sifa bench being quite useful as long as you have guys through the lineup who can cover injuries to halves and hooker. Sifa gives you injury cover at 3 spots, or an extra 15-minutes of power in the middle.

If you pick a “14” bench utility, Sifa becomes less valuable.
Exactly. If Sifa is selected it really is as a bench forward and centre depth. Can't see it though.
 
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No way I'd be picking Turbo, has been average this year. Clearly not healthy.

Has to be Graham.

Yes, I only watched the Kayo Mini but he made no impression on chasing Cobbo for his third try and didn’t seem to put much effort in.

He’s a shadow of his former self, which is sad as he has been a class player.
 

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Ah no.

He’d be well down the list with Tommy Turbo, Campbell Graham, Matt Burton and Stephen Crichton all in front of him.
He’s ahead of all these guys on stats if you remove tries scored. Talakai may not score as often as these guys but he creates more statistically. My view is he is that he’s an out an out built state of origin if not this year then next. Defensively he’s not served to well by Matt Moylan. Moylan always stands off his marked player which creates a defensive hustle for Talakai.
 

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He’s ahead of all these guys on stats if you remove tries scored. Talakai may not score as often as these guys but he creates more statistically. My view is he is that he’s an out an out built state of origin if not this year then next. Defensively he’s not served to well by Matt Moylan. Moylan always stands off his marked player which creates a defensive hustle for Talakai.
I'm worried he has done his dash for origin selection after what happened last year.
 

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Tried to run sideways with his open touch and hurt his shoulder getting tackled. All downhill from there
 

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I'm worried he has done his dash for origin selection after what happened last year.
Feel like freddy was partly to blame. Did he have him at second row in the second game and then 20 minutes at centre in game 3? Sifa had the whole state on his shoulders at that stage. I'd hope we see more of talakai than Fittler in the coming years.
 
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