Sharks v Storm

[Great White Shark]

Quick stat.

Melbourne, 12 seasons, 9 finals' series, 5 grand finals, 3 premiership. No need to repeat the sharks stats....

I know the storm are the benchmark club (on everything) but my questions are:

1. What do the Storm (as a club) do so well?
2. What do we need to do with our club to turn it around?
3. Can our current administration and coaching staff do it (with the players we have)?

My answers:

1. Professional, do not accept mediocrity, their recruiting is second to none and their ability to recognise talent and blood players is a skill that very few coaching outfits have.
2. Expect more from our club (administration', coaches, players and fans), not be scared to take risks, when things arent working make the necessary changes.
3. We need 5 years.

 

[sandman77]

the nrl is trying to expand the game, the storm is just nrl conspiracy, they are over the cap

 

[IronShark]

Quick stat.

Melbourne, 12 seasons, 9 finals' series, 5 grand finals, 3 premiership. No need to repeat the sharks stats....

I know the storm are the benchmark club (on everything) but my questions are:

1. What do the Storm (as a club) do so well?

Answer: Being owned by News Ltd, in effect, the NRL and being their only chance to pretend they can compete with the AFL. As such, they are given every concession possible by the NRL to be successful, including concessions on the salary cap.

2. What do we need to do with our club to turn it around?

Answer: Unless we want to re-locate or merge with someone else to keep the NRL's charade of a "national" rugby league alive - nothing. We will continue to get no positive press, yet bagged mercilessly for any mistake. We will get no TV coverage and our game scheduling will be of lowest priority. Add to that, we will continue to get shafted by NRL referees and the judiciary.

3. Can our current administration and coaching staff do it (with the players we have)?

Answer: As Parramatta showed this year, a stand alone Sydney club only has a chance by developing unknown juniors into stars and hoping they stay loyal to the club, hence allowing you to keep them under the salary cap.

Sorry to be a party pooper but that's about the size of it. Since the NRL started, look at the teams that have made Grand Finals and those whohave won. Melbourne have been in five, won three. Brisbane have won three out of three. Auckland and the Cowboys have both been in one. The two merger teams have been in a couple, with the Tigers successful in '05 .

In fact, there have been only two GF's played between two stand alone Sydney clubs, '03 and '04 and the Roosters were invloved in both. So what chance do you think we have of making one, let alone winning it?

I'll tell you right now, the NRL are much more interested in seeing the Titans and the Cowboys achieve finals success so they can rush a fourth QLD team into the comp.

 

[sandman77]

Sorry to be a party pooper but that's about the size of it. Since the NRL started, look at the teams that have made Grand Finals and those whohave won. Melbourne have been in five, won three. Brisbane have won three out of three. Auckland and the Cowboys have both been in one. The two merger teams have been in a couple, with the Tigers successful in '05 .

In fact, there have been only two GF's played between two stand alone Sydney clubs, '03 and '04 and the Roosters were invloved in both. So what chance do you think we have of making one, let alone winning it?

I'll tell you right now, the NRL are much more interested in seeing the Titans and the Cowboys achieve finals success so they can rush a fourth QLD team into the comp.

mate I agree with everything you said, and was what I poorly was saying best post ever

 

[Lumpy]

Bellamy is a freak. He is professional in everything he does. He leaves nothing to chance and is a great man manager. He is given the ok to do what ever he needs to do. I think also being in Melbourne they are out of the spotlight and only have each other for support. They have built a close nit strong team
They have great recruitment in that they see young players and help them become superstars. Their SG ball team made the GF, their reggies team finished 2nd in regular season, Toyota Cup won the comp. They know how to bring players in and build them up.
I don't think they are over the cap. They have 3 superstars who are paid well the rest are on what's left. Blokes want to play there because they know they can win a comp.
The Sharks are on the right path we have a new borad and new direction with Sticky. He is looking at junior development and putting more effort into that. I think in the next 5 years we are close to winning a comp.

 

[Capital_Shark]

hahaha get rid of the mentality of blokes like IronShark from within our Club.

All those other teams couldn't possibly be better than us through hard work and being better in every facet of the game on and off the field - no, they MUST be cheating and getting propped up.

IronShark mate the fact that sandy thinks it was ripper thought must make you second guess yourself!

 

[sandman77]

hahaha get rid of the mentality of blokes like IronShark from within our Club.

All those other teams couldn't possibly be better than us through hard work and being better in every facet of the game on and off the field - no, they MUST be cheating and getting propped up.

IronShark mate the fact that sandy thinks it was ripper thought must make you second guess yourself!

hahahahaha I dead set choked on my coffee whwn I read that:sticky:

 

[peachey]

hahahahaha I dead set choked on my coffee whwn I read that:sticky:

i told you all he likes to choke on certain things :trent:

 

[sandman77]

i told you all he likes to choke on certain things :trent:

no I like it when others are choking on things

 

[Capital_Shark]

hahahahaha I dead set choked on my coffee whwn I read that:sticky:

Well mate if you believe the only reason teams like Melbourne and Brisbane have been successful is due to unfair advantages from the League in a bid to suppress Sydney teams and glorify the 'expansion' teams (how Brisbane fit into this I'm buggered if I know because Queensland has had it all over NSW for Rugby League stronghold status for yonks) then it must cast a massive shadow of doubt over the legitimacy of the Bulldogs rise from spooners '08 to almost minor premiers in '09 in a competition so heavily swayed against them succeeding.

 

[sandman77]

yeah well it just goes to show just what an amazing club the bulldogs really are

 

[Capital_Shark]

yeah well it just goes to show just what an amazing club the bulldogs really are

Saves me pointing out the agenda behind your belief in IronShark's misinformation.

 

[sandman77]

Saves me pointing out the agenda behind your belief in IronShark's misinformation.

hahaha okay all jokes aside, I honestly find it hard to fathem how they can be so good with all the salary cap restraints

 

[Capital_Shark]

hahaha okay all jokes aside, I honestly find it hard to fathem how they can be so good with all the salary cap restraints

Smart business and a winning culture. Guys want to play for the Storm and will take less money to do so. Cam Smith could of earned more going to the Titans but chose not to. Inglis could of gone anywhere on all sorts of money but chose to stay with the Storm. Slater was in a similar boat when he renegotiated. After a couple months on minimum wage with Melbourne, Brett Finch signed another minimum wage contract despite the big money on offer in England.

 

[Lumpy]

hahaha okay all jokes aside, I honestly find it hard to fathem how they can be so good with all the salary cap restraints

Mate look at the players they have lost. King, Crocker, Orford, Noddy, Smith, Cross, Folau, Newtown. Turner and Chambers from this year. Look at thee team they had in 06 and now in 09. They are very different.

 

[sandman77]

Smart business and a winning culture. Guys want to play for the Storm and will take less money to do so. Cam Smith could of earned more going to the Titans but chose not to. Inglis could of gone anywhere on all sorts of money but chose to stay with the Storm. Slater was in a similar boat when he renegotiated. After a couple months on minimum wage with Melbourne, Brett Finch signed another minimum wage contract despite the big money on offer in England.

+ all the under the table payments

 

[brently]

ummmm, dare I say they don't sack their star player for bringing the club and game into disrepute? we canned bird and rightly so. if that knuckle zap did nothing else, he handled that mess perfectly. it just seems a bit ripe that GI does a very similar thing and a couple of weeks later its forgotten and then a couple of months after that he's won a grand final. i also think being news ltd owned must help. i do, however, baulk at the anti-sydney team conspiracy theory lauded above.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Mate look at the players they have lost. King, Crocker, Orford, Noddy, Smith, Cross, Folau, Newtown. Turner and Chambers from this year. Look at thee team they had in 06 and now in 09. They are very different.

+ all the under the table payments

As Lumpy has pointed out its not like they've gone unaffected by the salary cap. They've just managed its impact better than other Clubs. They had to play a season with their star centre in 5/8. Before that they were forced to turn Cooper Cronk from a QLD Cup 2nd rower into a half back - they did pretty well to cause he's now played 4 GFs, won 2 and played for Australia. Turned our garbo into arguably one of the best centres in the game at the time (Matt King)

Lets not forget they didn't buy their stars either. Slater was a track work jockey with nothing but speed. Now he's the best fullback in the game. Inglis was indentified early and brought up, same with Folau who they lost to salary cap restraints.

From yesterday's game they lose promising youngster Joseph Tomane to the Titans. Will Chambers is off to the Reds and Steve Turner has been poached by the Bulldogs. I haven't heard of any significant purchases by the Storm in those areas though.

 

[hitman124]

Storm`s team are once a generation type thing, they could easily have 4 premierships by now. They were extremely good recruiting from the QLD cup. When else will you find talent like Smith, GI and slater in the one team?

They f*cked matt orford off and thats when they took off, Cronk stood up, and they bought michael crocker, what a great ****ing buy. they had a great hooker in nathan friend coming of the bench in 06, along with ben cross.

Israel- need i say more...

Matt king wasnt even playing footy when he was 21, he was working at a pub, decided to play a bit of footy at norths, and then he became a great centre in 06 07.

They got jeff lima over from france, blooded him at north`s, now he is a very handy player.

A team like that isnt one we can simply manufacture in 5 yrs, sure we can build a team that wins a comp, but to build a dynasty like the storm, it will take a complete cleanout of our recruitment management.

 

[slide rule]

Do the Storm receive salary cap concessions?

I always thought they did, but I cant find any recent articles about it.

Here is a short article from '03 that I found by googling:



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7235/is_200303/ai_n29682620/

RL: Storm cap concessions set for green light
AAP Sports News (Australia), March, 2003

00-00-0000 RL: Storm cap concessions set for green light

By Guy Hand

MELBOURNE, March 12 AAP - The National Rugby League is expected to rubber-stamp salary cap concessions for the Melbourne Storm next week.

In a move certain to arouse anger among Sydney clubs, NRL chief executive David Gallop said a board meeting next week would discuss the matter which it has already discussed and approved in principle.

And today Gallop publicly threw his weight behind allowing the Storm extra money above the $3.25 million salary cap to provide relocation allowances for players.

Melbourne, which has been fined for breaching the salary cap for the past three years, has been pushing for an extra $250,000 per season to pay its...

I also found a couple of others which were along the same lines, but I couldnt find any solid confirmation..