Recruitment Officer? (Now we have a major sponsor!)

[Blix]

Was wondering has Cronulla signed a recruitment officer yet?

Why is it we have landed NO one, except for flash.

If we have been after people and can't land people this is a major problem, if we haven't been after people this is a major problem.

Coming off a heap of good wins, with quality prospects and media of late, we are as appealing as we could hope to be.

I think Flanno has done a stellar job this year with recruitment, better then any other club I believe, BUT, thinking about that, I dare say some of that was a bit fortunate, ala...Gibbs, Ross (who is here as he recognises he owes us and is playing for peanuts supposably) and of course Carney. Degwah, is nothing but good management!

As I said I am not taking anything from Flanno he has had a deadset blinder but, at this stage of the season when he has his'eye on the prize, we need someone out there fulltime, sussing out and signing new players and new talent.

We can't find either a winger or a centre at the moment and weren't able to last year either. The best we could do was Feki, who has decent potential, but when you see players like Gaigai, Copley, Hoffman, Beale, Norman, Sio, Hurrell, Moga as juniors coming through it makes you wonder how we can possibly miss all of these guys.......and not even hear of us in the running for any of them

Lots of clubs dont need to worry about recruiting juniors as their pooling area producers more then enough, but for us this is not the case, most the quality out of Endeavour high gets poached whether it be from the Rooters or the Stains, either way we arent as fortunate as clubs such as Parra, Brisbane, NQ, Warriors, Penriths etc.....

We need someone out there finding players, and I really dont see Flanno doing it at the moment!!!

 

[teflon77]

Was wondering has Cronulla signed a recruitment officer yet?

Why is it we have landed NO one, except for flash.

If we have been after people and can't land people this is a major problem, if we haven't been after people this is a major problem.

Coming off a heap of good wins, with quality prospects and media of late, we are as appealing as we could hope to be.

I think Flanno has done a stellar job this year with recruitment, better then any other club I believe, BUT, thinking about that, I dare say some of that was a bit fortunate, ala...Gibbs, Ross (who is here as he recognises he owes us and is playing for peanuts supposably) and of course Carney. Degwah, is nothing but good management!

As I said I am not taking anything from Flanno he has had a deadset blinder but, at this stage of the season when he has his'eye on the prize, we need someone out there fulltime, sussing out and signing new players and new talent.

We can't find either a winger or a centre at the moment and weren't able to last year either. The best we could do was Feki, who has decent potential, but when you see players like Gaigai, Copley, Hoffman, Beale, Norman, Sio, Hurrell, Moga as juniors coming through it makes you wonder how we can possibly miss all of these guys.......and not even hear of us in the running for any of them

Lots of clubs dont need to worry about recruiting juniors as their pooling area producers more then enough, but for us this is not the case, most the quality out of Endeavour high gets poached whether it be from the Rooters or the Stains, either way we arent as fortunate as clubs such as Parra, Brisbane, NQ, Warriors, Penriths etc.....

We need someone out there finding players, and I really dont see Flanno doing it at the moment!!!

For me it is the elephant in the room. I haven't written him off totally but there isn't much time left to sign adequate players. Just signing Gordon aint going to fix the problem. As I see it we still need a first grade quality winger, centre, bench hooker and suprise suprise another backrower (especially if Smith flees). I get the impression that Flano just doesn't like playing rookies unless there is no other option ala Gards, Mills and Townsend. The best juniors we have coming through in NYC are Viiga, Masima, Pickerd and maybe Lichaa. Out of those I'm certain that one of both Viiga or maybe Coates can cover prop for the next few years, Masima has huge upside but the jury is still out on both Pickerd and Lichaa as far as I'm concerned.

We have lost Friz and I'm certain Peachy won't stick around if there is no oportunity. I'm of the opinion that these 20's players have to be thrown into the deep end. Your best juniors have to play first grade to see if they are up to scratch. Just about every other team does it so why don't we? The best of your junior teams should do the job of your average first grader who takes up a bench or wing spot.

 

[JimBob]

For me it is the elephant in the room. I haven't written him off totally but there isn't much time left to sign adequate players. Just signing Gordon aint going to fix the problem. As I see it we still need a first grade quality winger, centre, bench hooker and suprise suprise another backrower (especially if Smith flees). I get the impression that Flano just doesn't like playing rookies unless there is no other option ala Gards, Mills and Townsend. The best juniors we have coming through in NYC are Viiga, Masima, Pickerd and maybe Lichaa. Out of those I'm certain that one of both Viiga or maybe Coates can cover prop for the next few years, Masima has huge upside but the jury is still out on both Pickerd and Lichaa as far as I'm concerned.

We have lost Friz and I'm certain Peachy won't stick around if there is no oportunity. I'm of the opinion that these 20's players have to be thrown into the deep end. Your best juniors have to play first grade to see if they are up to scratch. Just about every other team does it so why don't we? The best of your junior teams should do the job of your average first grader who takes up a bench or wing spot.

We also have Moroko and Walsh whom are in good form and have potential.

Was wondering has Cronulla signed a recruitment officer yet?

Why is it we have landed NO one, except for flash.

If we have been after people and can't land people this is a major problem, if we haven't been after people this is a major problem.

Coming off a heap of good wins, with quality prospects and media of late, we are as appealing as we could hope to be.

I think Flanno has done a stellar job this year with recruitment, better then any other club I believe, BUT, thinking about that, I dare say some of that was a bit fortunate, ala...Gibbs, Ross (who is here as he recognises he owes us and is playing for peanuts supposably) and of course Carney. Degwah, is nothing but good management!

As I said I am not taking anything from Flanno he has had a deadset blinder but, at this stage of the season when he has his'eye on the prize, we need someone out there fulltime, sussing out and signing new players and new talent.

We can't find either a winger or a centre at the moment and weren't able to last year either. The best we could do was Feki, who has decent potential, but when you see players like Gaigai, Copley, Hoffman, Beale, Norman, Sio, Hurrell, Moga as juniors coming through it makes you wonder how we can possibly miss all of these guys.......and not even hear of us in the running for any of them

Lots of clubs dont need to worry about recruiting juniors as their pooling area producers more then enough, but for us this is not the case, most the quality out of Endeavour high gets poached whether it be from the Rooters or the Stains, either way we arent as fortunate as clubs such as Parra, Brisbane, NQ, Warriors, Penriths etc.....

We need someone out there finding players, and I really dont see Flanno doing it at the moment!!!

IMO we really only need 2 first grade wingers. If Best does retire I wouldn't mind giving either Feki, Pickard, Moroko or even M. Wright a run in the centers.

I like how we are not paying overs for players and that's something the Sharks haven't done since Flanno came to power. We need to stop looking at the Jennings and Gaigi's whom want ridiculous amounts of money and start looking at wingers whom are better than the pair we have. Players along the likes of D. Williams, B. Goodwin, M. Oldfield, A. Quinn, J. Mansour etc

If we want wingers for this season we need to look at the wingers whom are better than the current wingers we have now, wingers whom are either in bad form or dropped in NSW Cup because of the played ahead of them. Players along the likes of J. Sau, S. Earl, D. Simmons (I know he isn't well liked on these forums but Simmo is better than the current wingers we have plus we could get him cheap) etc

 

[Opeth]

I agree we really need to start including the youth in our sides and start testing them out in first grade. IMO Peachey needs to be included in the First grade side we lose to much attack when de gois leaves the field this is becoming very frustrating , we also need his unpredictability whilst Carney is out for the Broncos game. These young players will leave if they can't see them getting and opportunity in FG.

 

[Parko]

Our rookies need more game time in nsw cup before they become first grade regulars.

Going from under 20s straight into the show doesn't create great footballers, and their rookie errors will be more obvious.

They need to work their way through the ranks. Any player who thinks they deserve to get a first grade spot first year our of Toyota cup is kidding themselves. Sure, some make the straight transition, but I don't think that they'll reach their full potential without doing the time.

 

[Matty C of the Shire]

True we need one, though we need staff for membership too, I think one of each! But I think ourcoaching staff would need more
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[teflon77]

Our rookies need more game time in nsw cup before they become first grade regulars.

Going from under 20s straight into the show doesn't create great footballers, and their rookie errors will be more obvious.

They need to work their way through the ranks. Any player who thinks they deserve to get a first grade spot first year our of Toyota cup is kidding themselves. Sure, some make the straight transition, but I don't think that they'll reach their full potential without doing the time.

Hmm, seems to work for other teams with their elite talent. I'd half agree with this statement if NSW Cup was of a decent standard but we all know it isn't.

Fullback Omar Slaimankhel Warriors
Wing* Dane Gagai Brisbane Broncos
Centre Konrad Hurrell Warriors
Centre Mahe Fonua Melbourne Storm
Wing* James Roberts South Sydney Rabbitohs
Five-eighth Carlos Tuimavave Warriors
Halfback* Jacob Miller Wests Tigers
Prop Kane Evans Sydney Roosters
Hooker* Kurt Baptiste Brisbane Broncos
Prop Dale Finucane Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
Second-Row* Jason Taumalolo North Queensland Cowboys
Second-Row* Alex McKinnon St George-Illawarra Dragons
Lock Tyrone Peachey Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks
Interchange Kenneath Bromwich Melbourne Storm
Interchange* Tim Lafai Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
Interchange* Jack De Belin St George-Illawarra Dragons
Interchange Kyle Feldt North Queensland Cowboys

That was the Toyota Cup team of the year last year. Plenty of players capable of transitioning straight to first grade. If you are good enough you are old enough.

 

[Blix]

Good players will basically auto pick themself anyway.

Either way dont see how this effects the point that we need a recruitment officer.

Hurrell has been off contract for the following year the last 2 years, and Gagai as we all now was just available. Both full of potential and both walk ins for a spot I would say (and with a heap of improvement as well!)

 

[Garbs]

Why is it we have landed NO one, except for flash.

Personally, if we only end up with this one signing, it's still an outstanding outcome for the club.

Don't think we really need to be too active in the player market this year. If we can find a cheap, capable winger it wouldn't go astray, but I'd be happy with a wing pairing of Wright and Stapleton next season. Alternatively, Wright into the centres to replace a retiring Best, and Stapo and Mills on the wings.

 

[JimBob]

Personally, if we only end up with this one signing, it's still an outstanding outcome for the club.

Don't think we really need to be too active in the player market this year. If we can find a cheap, capable winger it wouldn't go astray, but I'd be happy with a wing pairing of Wright and Stapleton next season. Alternatively, Wright into the centres to replace a retiring Best, and Stapo and Mills on the wings.

We could also try blooding Pickard, Moroko or Feki.

 

[Garbs]

We could also try blooding Pickard, Moroko or Feki.

We could... although I don't think any of them will probably rise to NRL standard on a regular basis. Pickerd maybe.

 

[teflon77]

We could... although I don't think any of them will probably rise to NRL standard on a regular basis. Pickerd maybe.

Exactly. Jimbob spouts alot of things but I doubt he has actually watched these players too much. Pickerd is a chance just not with Flanagan in charge. Feki is no better than Luetele and Moroko will never go near a first grade side. And he continually calls Pickerd Pickard.

 

[Blix]

We could more then do with a couple of wingers,.

Even if one we have does come through we will have no quality depth.

Not to mention. if there is talent available we should be trying to hunt it down, players like Gagai, Sio, Hurrell and a heap of others have been available, they would make a huge difference.

I am not happy to say, we are looking alright this season, lets not bother trying to recruit, we should hopefully be alriight. We should actively be participating in the player market trying to land the outstanding prospects.

How is it possible for Flanno to put in massive hours on the phone and meeting etc, of all the quality players off contract and also watching/scouring toyota cup trying to get the best players coming through. There is no way he can, he is too busy trying to win FG matches, which is why he is here.

 

[ABshark]

We need at least one, preferably two wingers and a left centre. We also need to replace Cordoba and Morris. That is clear. And there is still some significant talent off contract.

However, I fail to see how "Have some wins + Sign a major sponsor + Employ recruitment manager = Sign young sooperstarz".

Its not that ****ing simple.

You do realise Darren Mooney, the football manager, does a lot of the NRL recruitment work don't you Blix?

You're making a heap of assumptions and then working yourself in to a lather when the expectations you draw from those aren't yet being met.

I don't know much about how it all works but there are some facts out in the open:
- Despite the prospects looking terrible (e.g. loss of Snowden and Douglas), recruitment under the current administration has largely been a success
- We've signed one of the best players on the open market already in a position of need
- The Club has stated that it is in the market for more
- Despite this year's recent run of form, we don't have much in the way of 'trumps' to attract players (very limited 3rd party capacity, no glamour coach or training facilities)
- Junior recruitment/retention looks to have improved with three years of solid NYC results
- Clubs like Parramatta have signed a high profile recruitment man in Peter Nolan and are languishing at the foot of the ladder
- Similarly, Newcastle signed Keith Onslow from the Dogs a few years ago with big wraps on his recruitment and their juniors have been a mixed bag and their NYC has stunk at times

we are looking alright this season, lets not bother trying to recruit, we should hopefully be alriight.

What coach says that to himself? FFS mate Flano's said of numerous occasions that they're trying to recruit players and improve the roster.

 

[since1967]

We need at least one, preferably two wingers and a left centre. We also need to replace Cordoba and Morris. That is clear. And there is still some significant talent off contract.

However, I fail to see how "Have some wins + Sign a major sponsor + Employ recruitment manager = Sign young sooperstarz".

Its not that ****ing simple.

You do realise Darren Mooney, the football manager, does a lot of the NRL recruitment work don't you Blix?

You're making a heap of assumptions and then working yourself in to a lather that the expectations you draw from those aren't being met.

I don't know much about how it all works but there are some facts out in the open:
- Despite the prospects looking terrible (e.g. loss of Snowden and Douglas), recruitment under the current administration has largely been a success
- We've signed one of the best players on the open market already in a position of need
- The Club has stated that it is in the market for more
- Despite this year's recent run of form, we don't have much in the way of 'trumps' to attract players (very limited 3rd party capacity, no glamour coach or training facilities)
- Junior recruitment/retention looks to have improved with three years of solid NYC results
- Clubs like Parramatta have signed a high profile recruitment man in Peter Nolan and are languishing at the foot of the ladder
- Similarly, Newcastle signed Keith Onslow from the Dogs a few years ago with big wraps on his recruitment and their juniors have been a mixed bag and their NYC has stunk at times




What coach says that to himself? FFS mate Flano's said of numerous occasions that they're trying to recruit players and improve the roster.

Finally......... Someone with some common sense. We need to pay players what they are worth and continue to do so. its worked so far this year, and i'm sure we will end up with the right players in our squad for 2013.

One question i would like answered is why does everyone think that under 20's in our club should be automatically picked in our first grade team after we have a loss? If reserve grade was shown on fox before all of our games and under 20's was played in the park, the opinions would be different......

 

[Blix]

We need at least one, preferably two wingers and a left centre. We also need to replace Cordoba and Morris. That is clear. And there is still some significant talent off contract.

However, I fail to see how "Have some wins + Sign a major sponsor + Employ recruitment manager = Sign young sooperstarz".

Its not that ****ing simple.

You do realise Darren Mooney, the football manager, does a lot of the NRL recruitment work don't you Blix? (FLANNO IS THE PERSON PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR RECRUITEMNT ISNT HE, NOT TO MENTION i DID ASK THIS QUESTION ON THE VERY FIRST LINE DIDNT I?)
You're making a heap of assumptions and then working yourself in to a lather when the expectations you draw from those aren't yet being met.

I don't know much about how it all works but there are some facts out in the open:
- Despite the prospects looking terrible (e.g. loss of Snowden and Douglas), recruitment under the current administration has largely been a success (AS I CLEARLY STATED RECRUITMENT WAS GOOD, BUT VERY FORTUNATE, ROSS WANTED BACK, DEGWAH WANTED BACK, GIBBS WAS PUNTED, AND ONLY A COUPLE OF CLUBS WERE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK ON CARNEY, ANYWAY AS I SAID i HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS EXACT POINT)
- We've signed one of the best players on the open market already in a position of need (AGREED BUT ONLY 1 SIGNING WHEN WE NEED A NUMBER OF POSITIONS FILLED AND DEPTH SIGNINGS)- The Club has stated that it is in the market for more (THIS IS MY POINT THEY ARE ALL GETTING SOLD!)
- Despite this year's recent run of form, we don't have much in the way of 'trumps' to attract players (very limited 3rd party capacity, no glamour coach or training facilities) (THE CLUB HAS JUST SIGNED A MAJOR SPONSOR, WE HAVE GAL, CARNEY AND ARE IN WINNING FORM, IF WE HAVE BEEN AFTER THESE GUYS I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW SO MANY HAVE PASSED US)
- Junior recruitment/retention looks to have improved with three years of solid NYC results (WHAT JUNIOR RECRUITEMNT HAS TAKEN PLACE AT ALL THIS YEAR?)
- Clubs like Parramatta have signed a high profile recruitment man in Peter Nolan and are languishing at the foot of the ladder (I DONT UNDERSTAND THE POINT HERE?, MY POINT IS WE NEED A NUMBER OF POSITIONS FILLED SOMETHING YOU HAVE STATED YOU AGREE WITH)
- Similarly, Newcastle signed Keith Onslow from the Dogs a few years ago with big wraps on his recruitment and their juniors have been a mixed bag and their NYC has stunk at times (AS ABOVE)



What coach says that to himself? FFS mate Flano's said of numerous occasions that they're trying to recruit players and improve the roster.

 

[Blix]

Finally......... Someone with some common sense. We need to pay players what they are worth and continue to do so. its worked so far this year, and i'm sure we will end up with the right players in our squad for 2013.

One question i would like answered is why does everyone think that under 20's in our club should be automatically picked in our first grade team after we have a loss? If reserve grade was shown on fox before all of our games and under 20's was played in the park, the opinions would be different......

Great another post that has nothing to do with the subject! Yes everyone agrees it is good we arent paying overs for players....But I still want to recruit some of them!

 

[Mark^Bastard]

Who had we recruited at this time last year?

From memory Tagataese was the only recruit. Now we have M. Gordon.

Judge the play when you've seen the final act...

 

[Fitzy2513]

I don't think we need a recruitment officer as much as we need scouts out there. The players managers are the ones shopping the current graded players around so each club knows who's off contract what they are after etc etc. Where as the scouts are out and about at the schoolboy carnivals trying to sign kids with potential and offering trials. With our current financial issues this is probably and only guessing here, something that we may be lagging behind with the other clubs. Clubs like the roosters etc will employ scouts on a part time/casual basis, where these scouts have a primary employment and if a carnival or something comes up in there catchment area like South East Queensland. They will go to that carnival. They don't necessarily travel all over the state or country cause these clubs have different scouts around. So this is most likely an area in which we fall down.

On a side not, really are going to come to Cronulla unless we are paying overs or offering a lifeline. Since the offering of overs seem to be a thing of the past, especially under our current administration, being a major player in quality recruitment (exception of last year) may be a little lean until our future is secured.

 

[slide rule]

How many players have each of the other clubs recruited for next year? I'd like to see a list. We are seeing players going everywhere, but they seem to be going everywhere and not to one particular place. I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs are actually in the same situation when you single them out and have a good look.