Jeff Robson
Hammerhead
Wonder which team will turn up for this ?
NRL Round 10: Cronulla Sutherland Sharks vs New Zealand Warriors Sunday 19th July 2:00pm @ Central Coast Stadium
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Tiger Shark
Jaws
Lot of teams do it. Parra did it very effectively on the weekend. Key word being effective.
What disappoints me most was that everyone in the pre season was talking about an improved defence, which is what I thought we really needed to work on. Our attack last year was good, our attack this year is top 4 but we find ourselves outside of the 8 because our defence has been disgusting.
Not sure if it's a combo of players not committing, wrong players, bad coaching or a combo of everything but **** me that defence needs to vastly improve. They need to spend every single session on defence. And can we get some AC who can help with defence. That Sandercock guy has made things worse.
A lot of things went wrong on Saturday
- We played a very good team in form
- Terrible start with errors and penalties meant we were on the back foot from the beginning
- HIA and injuries during the game meant our already make shift backline was even worse.
We've got a good draw and we're at the half way mark. They need to look at the Penrith game as a reset and they now know where they are in regards to the comp and what level they need to be at. If not this season then next season.
Raiders copped some serious injuries so they'll be one less team to compete for a spot in the 8 imo.
MartinShark
Grey Nurse
1.Kennedy
2.Katoa
3.Dugan
4.Ramien
5.Mulitalo
6.Trindall
7.Johnson
8.Hamlin-Uele
9.Brailey
10.Woods
11.Nikora
12.Talakai
13.Graham
14.Williams
15.Rudolf
16.Hunt
17.Wilton/Sorensen
2.Katoa
3.Dugan
4.Ramien
5.Mulitalo
6.Trindall
7.Johnson
8.Hamlin-Uele
9.Brailey
10.Woods
11.Nikora
12.Talakai
13.Graham
14.Williams
15.Rudolf
16.Hunt
17.Wilton/Sorensen
MartinShark
Grey Nurse
That's the side id love to see this weekend
Dreaming though
Dreaming though
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Jaws
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The great thing about forum users picking players like Trindall, especially to start is
- if they go well, you were right
- if they suck, no consequences
- if they don't get picked and the person who did play goes well, you don't have to say anything and no skin off your back
- if they don't get picked and the person who did play goes bad, you can claim you were right even though there is no evidence you were
If they go well you can also look back and try and get additional credit for yourself by saying the coach should have picked them ages ago, despite you having no particular evidence they were ready previously and in all likelihood the coach gave them an opportunity when they earned/deserved one.
Not saying you're not allowed to say you'd like to play Trindall or you'd like to see him given a chance, but it's easy when you're not the coach to make team changes, although you also have a minute amount of the information about the players he has.
Short memory helps as well, if Chad pulled up sore at training tomorrow and Trindall got picked for the Warriors team and went decent this forum would go crazy saying Chad should never play again, even though there is an very high chance if Trindall played against Penrith we still get smashed, and forgetting Chad also went very well against weak teams.
Half the posts at the moment are about how making too many unforced changes didn't do us any favours, and then there are a bunch saying pick Trindall.
If Chad was the single reason we lost that game, fine, but he really wasn't, we had loads of issues. (no, I'm not saying he wasn't also an issue)
Not having a crack at you specifically Martin, we all suggest player/positional changes from time to time, but it's a lot easier to do without your job on the line and there is also a very strong possibility the head coach of the team who also played 300 NRL games himself has a vague ideal of which player is actually better.
If Morris is happy to pick Trindall I am keen to see him play
- if they go well, you were right
- if they suck, no consequences
- if they don't get picked and the person who did play goes well, you don't have to say anything and no skin off your back
- if they don't get picked and the person who did play goes bad, you can claim you were right even though there is no evidence you were
If they go well you can also look back and try and get additional credit for yourself by saying the coach should have picked them ages ago, despite you having no particular evidence they were ready previously and in all likelihood the coach gave them an opportunity when they earned/deserved one.
Not saying you're not allowed to say you'd like to play Trindall or you'd like to see him given a chance, but it's easy when you're not the coach to make team changes, although you also have a minute amount of the information about the players he has.
Short memory helps as well, if Chad pulled up sore at training tomorrow and Trindall got picked for the Warriors team and went decent this forum would go crazy saying Chad should never play again, even though there is an very high chance if Trindall played against Penrith we still get smashed, and forgetting Chad also went very well against weak teams.
Half the posts at the moment are about how making too many unforced changes didn't do us any favours, and then there are a bunch saying pick Trindall.
If Chad was the single reason we lost that game, fine, but he really wasn't, we had loads of issues. (no, I'm not saying he wasn't also an issue)
Not having a crack at you specifically Martin, we all suggest player/positional changes from time to time, but it's a lot easier to do without your job on the line and there is also a very strong possibility the head coach of the team who also played 300 NRL games himself has a vague ideal of which player is actually better.
If Morris is happy to pick Trindall I am keen to see him play
vicsharkfan
Jaws
Just read warriors never got a penalty all game against titans, guess they will be squaring that ledger up Sunday, hoping it’s in junk time once we have the win in the bag.
Tiger Shark
Jaws
The 3 players who are heading back home after the game are either going to have blinders or shockers because their heads have already left the station.
I appreciate you not putting any context to this so I can apply it to about half the team
CrazyMatt
Jaws
Quoting the post your replying to here would probably help us understand what the **** your on about son.
Spanner shark
Bull Shark
I think the 3 players will be thinking of home. Sharks by 20
Warriors get huge go forward from Maumalo and Fusitua and meters is one of our biggest weaknesses so I'm happy for them to be off their game (Fusitua not so much when not playing wing)
RTS and Tohu Harris both big meter eaters too
Our games most run meters (opponents single best, our best forward and best back)
Round 1
Rabbitohs Tatola 198
Woods 191, Katoa 153
Round 2
Storm J Bromwich 169
Ramien 142, Sorensen 132 (80 minutes)
Round 3
Tigers Nofoaluma 187
Ramien 149, Woods 127
Round 4
Cowboys McGuire 198
Woods 180, Ramien 162
Round 5
Dragons Vaughan 204
Kennedy 198, Woods 156
Round 6
Bulldogs Chrichton 188
Woods 194, Ramien 192
Round 7
Manly AFB 207
Fifita 149, Ramien 122
Round 8
Titans Peachey 161
Fifita 168, Katoa 160
Round 9
Panthers Edwards 181
Dugan 151, Graham 99 (that's right, we didn't have a forward crack 100m)
Woods is our only forward even come close to 200m games this season and there are 19 other forwards in the NRL with a better average than him (47th best average overall)
Katoa isn't in the top 50 for average but is overall, sitting at 48th (average is 128.5m)
Ironically Hiroti and Nene both make the 'average' list with approx 150m in their single games, good for 40th and 42nd
If you look at averages we have one regular player in the top 50 so every other NRL team likely has 2-3 players making more meters than our best.
Bar just 70m against Tigers Kennedy has 3 games above 120m and the one near 200m effort. From a meters perspective our best backline is probably him at fullback.
Neither Bryson nor Ronnie have been big meter makes, although Bryson's first game was around 150 like Nene and Hiroti... apparently players run hard when they get their chance
RTS and Tohu Harris both big meter eaters too
Our games most run meters (opponents single best, our best forward and best back)
Round 1
Rabbitohs Tatola 198
Woods 191, Katoa 153
Round 2
Storm J Bromwich 169
Ramien 142, Sorensen 132 (80 minutes)
Round 3
Tigers Nofoaluma 187
Ramien 149, Woods 127
Round 4
Cowboys McGuire 198
Woods 180, Ramien 162
Round 5
Dragons Vaughan 204
Kennedy 198, Woods 156
Round 6
Bulldogs Chrichton 188
Woods 194, Ramien 192
Round 7
Manly AFB 207
Fifita 149, Ramien 122
Round 8
Titans Peachey 161
Fifita 168, Katoa 160
Round 9
Panthers Edwards 181
Dugan 151, Graham 99 (that's right, we didn't have a forward crack 100m)
Woods is our only forward even come close to 200m games this season and there are 19 other forwards in the NRL with a better average than him (47th best average overall)
Katoa isn't in the top 50 for average but is overall, sitting at 48th (average is 128.5m)
Ironically Hiroti and Nene both make the 'average' list with approx 150m in their single games, good for 40th and 42nd
If you look at averages we have one regular player in the top 50 so every other NRL team likely has 2-3 players making more meters than our best.
Bar just 70m against Tigers Kennedy has 3 games above 120m and the one near 200m effort. From a meters perspective our best backline is probably him at fullback.
Neither Bryson nor Ronnie have been big meter makes, although Bryson's first game was around 150 like Nene and Hiroti... apparently players run hard when they get their chance
Bundy Shark
Jaws
It’s a bit like that isn’t it, win, lose or draw, the players get paid the same amount, smiling after games & very few hurting, starting to wear thin of a lot of players in our squad.
Tiger Shark
Jaws
Fifita out for 3 weeks. Probably the same time Moylan might be back.
Who comes in ? Sorensen seems like the safe bet. Wilton and Vasquez also options. Though Vasquez more of a reach.
Going to be hard to replace.
Who comes in ? Sorensen seems like the safe bet. Wilton and Vasquez also options. Though Vasquez more of a reach.
Going to be hard to replace.
Blair will play well now he has been asked to retire
Only worth bringing in Wilton if you intend to bring off Graham or Nikora. Sorensen seems the safe bet, can cover a range of positions.
Tiger Shark
Jaws
Williams dropped