Official Nicho Hynes

[Sir Chadley]

What ?! Do you not remember how many people were like wE wAnT hIs HaNdS On ThE bAlL mOrE, hE wAnTs To Be ThE mAn

Commonsense prevailed

Wasn't that just Fitz and Nicho though and we were all just repeating what they were saying? Apologies if I have remembered that incorrectly, but I though that was how it played out.

 

[Wiz]

Wasn't that just Fitz and Nicho though and we were all just repeating what they were saying? Apologies if I have remembered that incorrectly, but I though that was how it played out.

No there were definitely a fair few in here that were adamant Hynes needed his hands on the ball every set and bringing in Trindall would make him worse

 

[Sparkles]

What ?! Do you not remember how many people were like wE wAnT hIs HaNdS On ThE bAlL mOrE, hE wAnTs To Be ThE mAn

Commonsense prevailed

heh there was some of that, for sure. Quite a bit of it was also that people thought it was the gameplan and that wouldn't change, that it wasn't so much about Nicho hoging it.

I've always been of the opinion that his strength is his running game, so I'm glad to see whatever helps him get the chance to utilise that more. Nicho's taking the ball a lot more of the 4th now which is a good step (sidestep, dummy, try!) in the right direction imho.

 

[bort]

Not captain, not kicking all the time, not touching the ball every tackle. Still taking conversions, but much better this week. Surely no-one thought that involvement was sustainable

This interested me (sorry in advance)

Firing up BortGPT…

Adjusted for possession this game he touched the ball the 11th most he has this season (12th most if I don’t adjust for possession)

Most touch’s were round 14 vs Broncos (L)
Least touches were round 15 vs the Storm (fat L)
That’s kind of interesting…

Touches with Trindall in 6 rank
4, 11, 14, 18 / 19 games by Hynes
Touches where we lost rank
1, 7, 8, 10, 13, 14, 19 / 19 games by Hynes

He actually touched the ball pretty much bang on his average this week.

Last week we won he touched it his fourth most, the week before we won he touched it his second least.

Averages a couple less touches a game with Trindall than Moylan. Like literally 2-3. Relatively insignificant.

Average touches in a win v a loss
67v64 (actual, not adjusted for posesssion)

I know there is an element of more risky/frantic play to some of his touches when we are behind, but I think that is trying to find a way force something to happen.

Of note his three highest possession games were round 14, 11, 12 so there was clearly a patch here he was touching the ball well above average, suddenly followed by storm loss where he hardly touched it. Round 16 win v dogs he was back to about season average.

Actually higher dummy passes and less total passes* both correlate (very slightly) more to wins - supports that in games where it is easy for him to run we win more. Funny that.

*still his most passes (R14) and least passes (R15) were two losses.

All these except noted at the start are adjusted for possession.

Just wanted to see if ‘stats’ supported theory Trindall makes him touch ball less

Inb4 Burgo tells me stats don’t tell the full story but also here’s a graph that says a similar thing, or it gets called ‘overthinking’

 

[Sparkles]

This interested me (sorry in advance)

Firing up BortGPT…

Adjusted for possession this game he touched the ball the 11th most he has this season (12th most if I don’t adjust for possession)

Most touch’s were round 14 vs Broncos (L)
Least touches were round 15 vs the Storm (fat L)
That’s kind of interesting…

Touches with Trindall in 6 rank
4, 11, 14, 18 / 19 games by Hynes
Touches where we lost rank
1, 7, 8, 10, 13, 14, 19 / 19 games by Hynes

He actually touched the ball pretty much bang on his average this week.

Last week we won he touched it his fourth most, the week before we won he touched it his second least.

Averages a couple less touches a game with Trindall than Moylan. Like literally 2-3. Relatively insignificant.

Average touches in a win v a loss
67v64 (actual, not adjusted for posesssion)

I know there is an element of more risky/frantic play to some of his touches when we are behind, but I think that is trying to find a way force something to happen.

Of note his three highest possession games were round 14, 11, 12 so there was clearly a patch here he was touching the ball well above average, suddenly followed by storm loss where he hardly touched it. Round 16 win v dogs he was back to about season average.

Actually higher dummy passes and less total passes* both correlate (very slightly) more to wins - supports that in games where it is easy for him to run we win more. Funny that.

*still his most passes (R14) and least passes (R15) were two losses.

All these except noted at the start are adjusted for possession.

Just wanted to see if ‘stats’ supported theory Trindall makes him touch ball less

Inb4 Burgo tells me stats don’t tell the full story but also here’s a graph that says a similar thing, or it gets called ‘overthinking’

Seems Nicho just went through a patch of heatbroken rejection of the football and is now getting back to business as usual?
Maybe it's when he's touching it that creates an impression it's less. With him kicking less I can definintely see that happening... you're going to give me stats that shows he's not kicking that much less now, aren't you?

 

[Wiz]

This interested me (sorry in advance)

Firing up BortGPT…

Adjusted for possession this game he touched the ball the 11th most he has this season (12th most if I don’t adjust for possession)

Most touch’s were round 14 vs Broncos (L)
Least touches were round 15 vs the Storm (fat L)
That’s kind of interesting…

Touches with Trindall in 6 rank
4, 11, 14, 18 / 19 games by Hynes
Touches where we lost rank
1, 7, 8, 10, 13, 14, 19 / 19 games by Hynes

He actually touched the ball pretty much bang on his average this week.

Last week we won he touched it his fourth most, the week before we won he touched it his second least.

Averages a couple less touches a game with Trindall than Moylan. Like literally 2-3. Relatively insignificant.

Average touches in a win v a loss
67v64 (actual, not adjusted for posesssion)

I know there is an element of more risky/frantic play to some of his touches when we are behind, but I think that is trying to find a way force something to happen.

Of note his three highest possession games were round 14, 11, 12 so there was clearly a patch here he was touching the ball well above average, suddenly followed by storm loss where he hardly touched it. Round 16 win v dogs he was back to about season average.

Actually higher dummy passes and less total passes* both correlate (very slightly) more to wins - supports that in games where it is easy for him to run we win more. Funny that.

*still his most passes (R14) and least passes (R15) were two losses.

All these except noted at the start are adjusted for possession.

Just wanted to see if ‘stats’ supported theory Trindall makes him touch ball less

Inb4 Burgo tells me stats don’t tell the full story but also here’s a graph that says a similar thing, or it gets called ‘overthinking’

Those stats mean absolutely nothing ? We don’t know how many sets we had how much possession etc so your post doesn’t really make sense

Anyway if I was to play to your pointless stats it equates to less touches less kicks less risk more freedom

Quality over quantity

 

[bort]

Seems Nicho just went through a patch of heatbroken rejection of the football and is now getting back to business as usual?
Maybe it's when he's touching it that creates an impression it's less. With him kicking less I can definintely see that happening... you're going to give me stats that shows he's not kicking that much less now, aren't you?

My assumption is if we take out the panthers game that is a notably above average percent of kicks by the 5/8 in last 3 weeks but I’ve done enough numbers for now haha

 

[Proud Shark]

Those stats mean absolutely nothing ? We don’t know how many sets we had how much possession etc so your post doesn’t really make sense

Anyway if I was to play to your pointless stats it equates to less touches less kicks less risk more freedom

Quality over quantity

I don't think he's been touching less over the last few weeks. But I would agree the quality has increased and he's been less erratic.

Maybe higher quality same quantity?

 

[Sparkles]

Those stats mean absolutely nothing ? We don’t know how many sets we had how much possession etc so your post doesn’t really make sense

Anyway if I was to play to your pointless stats it equates to less touches less kicks less risk more freedom

Quality over quantity

He did say he adjusted for possession tbf. We don't know how much posession? I feel pretty sure that's recorded...

 

[Wiz]

I don't think he's been touching less over the last few weeks. But I would agree the quality has increased and he's been less erratic.

Maybe higher quality same quantity?

Agreed, if anything a little less touches but definitely higher quality and more calm

Love seeing him being able to kick back and pick his moments without stressing about the next play

 

[Wiz]

He did say he adjusted for possession tbf. We don't know how much posession? I feel pretty sure that's recorded...

It’s abit pointless because then you also think about how many tackles were in that set ? Was it a full set or was it an incomplete set and we dropped it on the 3rd or was there a penalty on the 4th

It’s a rabbit hole that the eye test well and truly covers

 

[Sparkles]

It’s abit pointless because then you also think about how many tackles were in that set ? Was it a full set or was it an incomplete set and we dropped it on the 3rd or was there a penalty on the 4th

It’s a rabbit hole that the eye test well and truly covers

I get what you're saying. Stats are indicitive at best. The best you can hope for it that the sample size is big enough that a lot of that stuff flattens out.

 

[Gumby]

Apparently Hynes has 22 runs last night for 190 metres.

Did not notice him running that much. Wow

 

[apezza]

This interested me (sorry in advance)

Firing up BortGPT…

Adjusted for possession this game he touched the ball the 11th most he has this season (12th most if I don’t adjust for possession)

Most touch’s were round 14 vs Broncos (L)
Least touches were round 15 vs the Storm (fat L)
That’s kind of interesting…

Touches with Trindall in 6 rank
4, 11, 14, 18 / 19 games by Hynes
Touches where we lost rank
1, 7, 8, 10, 13, 14, 19 / 19 games by Hynes

He actually touched the ball pretty much bang on his average this week.

Last week we won he touched it his fourth most, the week before we won he touched it his second least.

Averages a couple less touches a game with Trindall than Moylan. Like literally 2-3. Relatively insignificant.

Average touches in a win v a loss
67v64 (actual, not adjusted for posesssion)

I know there is an element of more risky/frantic play to some of his touches when we are behind, but I think that is trying to find a way force something to happen.

Of note his three highest possession games were round 14, 11, 12 so there was clearly a patch here he was touching the ball well above average, suddenly followed by storm loss where he hardly touched it. Round 16 win v dogs he was back to about season average.

Actually higher dummy passes and less total passes* both correlate (very slightly) more to wins - supports that in games where it is easy for him to run we win more. Funny that.

*still his most passes (R14) and least passes (R15) were two losses.

All these except noted at the start are adjusted for possession.

Just wanted to see if ‘stats’ supported theory Trindall makes him touch ball less

Inb4 Burgo tells me stats don’t tell the full story but also here’s a graph that says a similar thing, or it gets called ‘overthinking’

Keep playing like this and I will be touching myself!

 

[bort]

Keep playing like this and I will be touching myself!

Even bortGPT can't deal with those kinds of numbers!

 

[HaroldBishop]

It appears as though my bedroom mantra of less is more translates to the footy field.

 

[Wiz]

Apparently Hynes has 22 runs last night for 190 metres.

Did not notice him running that much. Wow

He was having too much fun

 

[Milkshark]

No more quick taps Nicho, that was dumb. Give it to Trindall.

 

[bort]

No more quick taps Nicho, that was dumb. Give it to Trindall.

How many less meters do you think we made?

 

[Milkshark]

How many less meters do you think we made?

He ran what 10m?

So maybe 20-30m