My take on players in recent weeks

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seeing as i have not been giving my input in recent weeks here is my take on the players atm

Stapleton- a lot of the reason we have had a few wins imo. good positioning, safe hands and explosive running. no coincidence him and porter starting saw us win 4 straight.

Fergie- at the start of the year he did little to impress me but i was excited to see a new face in a dull backline. since his move to the wing has been a revelation and scored some brilliant tries. also gives us a good option for kicks on both sides.

Wright- tbh wright does little to draw my attention, which is both good and bad. he does some good runs but makes some mistakes and in general you dont see a lot of him. probably lucky theres really nobody to replace him.

Brown- started his career impressively but since then has shown real up and down form. i believe his best position is center and he should be here. his form fluctuates between solid first grader and fringe first grader and theres really nothing to get excited about by what hes shown us this year.

Covell- an asset under kicks both in attack and defense what covell lacks in speed he makes up for in other areas, his spacial awareness, palm and kicking (in game and for goal). any dip in form could see him in big trouble especially if simmons is in good form, although we know ricky doesnt like to drop players.

Barrett- provides us heaps more options as well as bringing experience. need him in the team if we are to keep moving up the ladder as theres only so long we will be able to keep competing with just one half.

Porter- buster? crap. green? crap. porter? hallelujah! yet to show much of a running game but displays strong passing and defence and exceptional kicking. i think ive seen him do one bad kick. porter has gone from a no name to a vital part of our team. ****ing awesome.

Snowden & Douglas- its just easier to lump these two together. every week they come up with a mountain of hitups, for good meters, and more than their fair share of tackles. both get extensive game time as replacement options just cant make up for them. both, however, are also prone to the odd mistake. extra credit must go to douglas for his ability to cover at backrow and never miss a game.

Hughes- probably doesnt deserve this second shot in the team but has taken with both hands. unfortunately those hands are way to slow due to his age and the increased pace of the game. does bring some experience and work some smart plays as well as defending strongly but ideally would be outed for Caine.

Williams- everyone knows the Wombat is both a hard worker and effective in both attack and defence. performed admirably in the centers when required, although i dont believe he should have spent so much time there. now hes asked to play 5/8. ridiculous imo and part of the reason we lost to the roosters, taking nothing from williams but he is a backrower who can cover center, certainly no 5/8. we will struggles to win without 2 established halves.

Tupou- our best buy of the season, toops has a hand in most of our attacking plays (often the final one) and earns us valuable meters with line breaks and offloads. throws in the odd big hit every now and again just to show hes not a one dimensional player.

Gallen- an inspirational, standout player. the heart and soul of cronulla. gives 120% every time he plays and is a monster in attack and defence. occasionally guilty of trying too hard, however, i believe gallen does much more good than harm. gallen, however, is injured. gallen should not be playing. neither for nsw not Cronulla. against the roosters Gallens right arm hung useless by his side, directly costing us a try. as good as gallen is i dont believe having him play one armed for the rest of the season is a better option than someone else replacing him for a two or three weeks. ive heard the injury is bone bruising and if this is the case it wont get better unless he rests it.

Vea- similarly to his head geared team mate Vea has come from nowhere to firmly get a grip on a first grade jersey. whilst he may be in and out of the starting side i dont expect him to be dropped from the team.

Mannah- another young, hard working prop mannah is capable off the bench but has nothing on Snowden and Douglas. with those two as role models though and a bit more experience that should change.

Millington- always moving in and out of the side millo seems dependable enough. certainly earned himself a few weeks with that double against the broncos.

Seu Seu- our best hooker by far imo. quick, clean service, good runs and can hit well above his weight. was capable last year and has really stepped up this year. unfortunately still no de gois.

Pomeroy- ricky stuart is using poms appropriately in regards to what hes being given. pomeroy is hard running, strong and agile enough to provide some major impact off the bench running wide and running off offloads. pomeroys handling has always been suspect at best and is atrocious atm, nowhere near good enough to be starting or playing center.

should get another chance at 1sts: Caine
could get another chance at 1sts: Simmons, Goodwin, Norrie, Seymour, Selmes, Bukuya, Afamasaga
should not get another chance at 1sts: Taulapapa, Donnelly, Green
 

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Great thread, this is a perfect summary of our current players.

What I would like though if people to fill in the blanks a bit with regards to a quick history of the player as well. What team did they play juniors for, what team did they play their first NRL game for, when did they join the Sharks, stuff like that. I know a bit of this but not everything and find myself constantly looking players up but there's not enough information out there.
 

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im all for what you have stated. Porter, Stapo and Fergie on wing has been a revelation for the team. Porter just remind me of a Thurston the way he commands the team with ball in hand and with kicks. Obviously not to that class but he could well be! Just needs a better running game. Imagine with a proper first team Pre - season he would be a better player for it.

Also think all our players would benefit even more with a good forward to come on for Douglas and Snowden, no disrespect to Mannah, hes just not ready.
 

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agree with pretty much all of that bortos.

my only addition would be cux2's poor defence at times.(inconsistant perhaps)
 

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I agree with the majority of this as well and think it is a good summary. Only differences:

I don't think Buster is crap as you have stated. He has struggled with injury and incident and by the time he should have been firing he was part of a team lacking confidence and then got injured again.

You have said Afamasaga could get another chance. He is someone who i think should.

Same with Buster. I dont think he should replace porter, but if he can get back this week then he should play to give him a chance. If not then it will be harder. Maybe hooker but really Ricky will know whether he can play hooker or not, that is not for me to say as i do not have the required knowledge on that.
 

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I don't think Buster is crap as you have stated. He has struggled with injury and incident and by the time he should have been firing he was part of a team lacking confidence and then got injured again.
he was awesome last year. this year, partially due to the reasons you stated, he was crap.
You have said Afamasaga could get another chance. He is someone who i think should.

Same with Buster. I dont think he should replace porter, but if he can get back this week then he should play to give him a chance. If not then it will be harder. Maybe hooker but really Ricky will know whether he can play hooker or not, that is not for me to say as i do not have the required knowledge on that.

the reason afamasaga and the like were listed as 'could' is i believe they are a decent chance of playing first grade again but wouldnt necessarily be an improvement to the players i have bolded. in saying that i have no idea how afamasaga has played since returning from injury.
seymour if he can play this week should definitely go to 5/8 because we cant perform to our potential without 2 halves. he would, however, only be an short term replacement for barrett.
caine is a should as he would actually (imo) improve the bolded team.
the shouldnts (which i guess should include kearney and ross too) are players i believe would notably detract from the quality of the team
 

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Afamasaga is a bit unfit for NRL footy and is too slow. But would like to see him be in front of Selmes in the depth chart.
 

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I reckon in a few yrs time, Porter may be as good if not better then Thurston, who else thinks that?

Stapleton and Fergie have also been welcome additions in our side this yr
 

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seeing as i have not been giving my input in recent weeks here is my take on the players atm

Stapleton- a lot of the reason we have had a few wins imo. good positioning, safe hands and explosive running. no coincidence him and porter starting saw us win 4 straight.

Fergie- at the start of the year he did little to impress me but i was excited to see a new face in a dull backline. since his move to the wing has been a revelation and scored some brilliant tries. also gives us a good option for kicks on both sides.

Wright- tbh wright does little to draw my attention, which is both good and bad. he does some good runs but makes some mistakes and in general you dont see a lot of him. probably lucky theres really nobody to replace him.

Brown- started his career impressively but since then has shown real up and down form. i believe his best position is center and he should be here. his form fluctuates between solid first grader and fringe first grader and theres really nothing to get excited about by what hes shown us this year.

Covell- an asset under kicks both in attack and defense what covell lacks in speed he makes up for in other areas, his spacial awareness, palm and kicking (in game and for goal). any dip in form could see him in big trouble especially if simmons is in good form, although we know ricky doesnt like to drop players.

Barrett- provides us heaps more options as well as bringing experience. need him in the team if we are to keep moving up the ladder as theres only so long we will be able to keep competing with just one half.

Porter- buster? crap. green? crap. porter? hallelujah! yet to show much of a running game but displays strong passing and defence and exceptional kicking. i think ive seen him do one bad kick. porter has gone from a no name to a vital part of our team. ****ing awesome.

Snowden & Douglas- its just easier to lump these two together. every week they come up with a mountain of hitups, for good meters, and more than their fair share of tackles. both get extensive game time as replacement options just cant make up for them. both, however, are also prone to the odd mistake. extra credit must go to douglas for his ability to cover at backrow and never miss a game.

Hughes- probably doesnt deserve this second shot in the team but has taken with both hands. unfortunately those hands are way to slow due to his age and the increased pace of the game. does bring some experience and work some smart plays as well as defending strongly but ideally would be outed for Caine.

Williams- everyone knows the Wombat is both a hard worker and effective in both attack and defence. performed admirably in the centers when required, although i dont believe he should have spent so much time there. now hes asked to play 5/8. ridiculous imo and part of the reason we lost to the roosters, taking nothing from williams but he is a backrower who can cover center, certainly no 5/8. we will struggles to win without 2 established halves.

Tupou- our best buy of the season, toops has a hand in most of our attacking plays (often the final one) and earns us valuable meters with line breaks and offloads. throws in the odd big hit every now and again just to show hes not a one dimensional player.

Gallen- an inspirational, standout player. the heart and soul of cronulla. gives 120% every time he plays and is a monster in attack and defence. occasionally guilty of trying too hard, however, i believe gallen does much more good than harm. gallen, however, is injured. gallen should not be playing. neither for nsw not Cronulla. against the roosters Gallens right arm hung useless by his side, directly costing us a try. as good as gallen is i dont believe having him play one armed for the rest of the season is a better option than someone else replacing him for a two or three weeks. ive heard the injury is bone bruising and if this is the case it wont get better unless he rests it.

Vea- similarly to his head geared team mate Vea has come from nowhere to firmly get a grip on a first grade jersey. whilst he may be in and out of the starting side i dont expect him to be dropped from the team.

Mannah- another young, hard working prop mannah is capable off the bench but has nothing on Snowden and Douglas. with those two as role models though and a bit more experience that should change.

Millington- always moving in and out of the side millo seems dependable enough. certainly earned himself a few weeks with that double against the broncos.

Seu Seu- our best hooker by far imo. quick, clean service, good runs and can hit well above his weight. was capable last year and has really stepped up this year. unfortunately still no de gois.

Pomeroy- ricky stuart is using poms appropriately in regards to what hes being given. pomeroy is hard running, strong and agile enough to provide some major impact off the bench running wide and running off offloads. pomeroys handling has always been suspect at best and is atrocious atm, nowhere near good enough to be starting or playing center.

should get another chance at 1sts: Caine
could get another chance at 1sts: Simmons, Goodwin, Norrie, Seymour, Selmes, Bukuya, Afamasaga
should not get another chance at 1sts: Taulapapa, Donnelly, Green

Very good Synopsis- Seymour and Selmes to be persevered with too. I reckon Selmes rightly gets a game when we play really big packs i.e Warriors
and Raiders, Hes 120kg i think and just needs more chances before he's written off
 

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I agree for the most part, but here's a few comments.

Matthew Wright - while I agree that he has gone largely un-noticed, he doesn't see much ball on his side with Barrett directing all of his play to the left. If Buster plays this weekend it will be interesting to see if he can get something going on that side and get the ball in to Wright's hands more often.

Luke Covell - I think the chances of Covell being dropped for Simmo are the same as the chances of Dougie being dropped for Donnelly. Covell has been one of our best for the last 2 months, and has been a different player since Pomeroy was dropped. The only way he will be dropped is if they decide not to re-sign him and to blood somemore young guys for the last 6-8 games.

Reece Williams - I know the guy is better in the back row and prefers to play there, but he is the best centre we have right now. He should play there until the end of the season and we should address the need in 2010 via recruitment.

Kade Snowden - He's been a big positive for the club this year. He started the year as a fringe player with good potential and is now a solid first grader. I probably wouldn't lump him in with Douglas because they are at different stages in their development. Snowden has just become a solid first grader; Dougie is bording on rep duty. Snowden has grabbed his opportunity this year become one of the better young props in the game. Ideally he would be the #3 prop behind Ross and Dougie, but he's been forced to make a big jump and has handled it well most of the time. We still need another good prop for next year to share the load.

Tupou - if the Sharks were in the top 8 Tupou would have played the ANZAC test and all 3 origin games this year. He is a better player than he was last year but people don't notice him because he's doing more than just playing as a battering ram.
 

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Just on Matty Wright, I'd love to see him get more quality early ball. As said by Burgo the ball rarely gets out to him, the only time he gets hand on ball is coming out from our own end when he runs from dummy half. It's a shame because in the junior grades attack was his strength.
 

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To be honest with you I actually cringe whenever the play moves towards Matty Wright. He seems to give away stupid penalties in defence, and his hands often fail him in offence.

Mind you i used to cringe when the ball went to a young bloke called Greg Bird early on in his career as well for the same reasons.

Snowden for me should be thrown into the same sentence as douglas. This young bloke has improved out of sight for us this season. Him and Dougie give 100% week in and week out. Hit ups galore, tackles galore, and always putting their hand sup for more. The only thing dougie has on Snowy is that he has played this good consistantly for two and a half season straight. heres hoping snowy has the same run of luck.
 

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I think everyone is way to hard on Matty Wright, He is 18 years old and doesn't see much ball ( good ball) has to go looking for it by dummy half scoots. I don't believe everyone is ripping the young bloke.

I have seen him beat several men 1 on 1, he has under estimated strength and his defense has come along in leaps and bounds since that rabbits game. I would love to see him get some of the early ball Reece Williams was getting a few weeks ago. IMO he will thrive in that situation and even give cov some chances as he already has done plenty of times.
 

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Vea- similarly to his head geared team mate Vea has come from nowhere to firmly get a grip on a first grade jersey. whilst he may be in and out of the starting side i dont expect him to be dropped from the team.
:p
 

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i agree with fergie
at first i was a bit no plus... is he any better than misi or worse.
but slowly he has devleoped in a good finsiher with a bit more pace than i thought he had. his confidence is growing and u can start to see it rub off on the other places

porter i am amazed he hasnt player first grade earlier, but i guess the test will be if he can build on his good solid start to his career and grow. 2ns yr syndrome is always an issue when other teams work out how to work him over.

selmes... i have never come into selmes, looks slow.sluggish i have never raly seen him bust the line or get his head thru, doesnt seem to offload i feel we will devleoped a better forward pack without him

pomeroy.. las year was on fire, this year his hands are shocking. i know he carrys the ball in hand but still he is very unreliable when the ball is in his hands and can you carry someone in your backline like that?

i would like to see Issac Gordon in the lower grades have a go on the end of our backline, pace to burn good finsher and could compliment fergie on the other wing
 

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I reckon in a few yrs time, Porter may be as good if not better then Thurston, who else thinks that?

Stapleton and Fergie have also been welcome additions in our side this yr

i hope your right about porter, its a big call but he has had a great start in first grade and if he keeps improving who knows how good he will be.

i agree with almost everything you said except i think you have been a bit hard on wright he has gone ok not as good as the other young guys that come up to first grade, but he is still young and has done enough to retain his spot and i think he will get better with experience i think by this time next year he will be much better player.
 
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