Mr Wright
Jaws
I agree to an extent. He hasn't really shown that break away try scoring ability he was known for last year. He's been very solid in defense still, but the better teams have shut down Jack well this year.
Michael Jennings
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I agree to an extent. He hasn't really shown that break away try scoring ability he was known for last year. He's been very solid in defense still, but the better teams have shut down Jack well this year.
Mark^Bastard
Great White
I'm also sure I've seen him let in a few 'silly' tries. I just remember that doe look on his face when someone gets a sneaky one right under his nose and he's thinking "video ref...ah wait I screwed up :-("
Gards
Jaws
And if we held off for Gordon and missed out on Jennings what then? We should go after what we can in terms of quality backs. We have some cap space, not sure how much but no doubt still need to be careful how we use our cash.
Agree with Snowman though, don't see anyone snagging him for much under 500k regardless of current form or attitude. I would have no issue with the Sharks going after him. That speed and strength match with Carneys play making, mmm...
Anyways I'm confident in the club these days when it comes to managing recruitment & budgets so this is in their capable hands.
Agree with Snowman though, don't see anyone snagging him for much under 500k regardless of current form or attitude. I would have no issue with the Sharks going after him. That speed and strength match with Carneys play making, mmm...
Anyways I'm confident in the club these days when it comes to managing recruitment & budgets so this is in their capable hands.
Worth 500k+ IMO. An absolute crowd pleaser- same level as Slater, Hayne and Uate. Will be the best centre in the game by the time he retires. Inglis is the only one who will stop him, and he'll play fullback for the rest of his Club career. Still yet to get quality ball in his entire career.
I'd say 10 clubs will have a crack at him.
Jennings is the most talented player to come out of Penrith since Brad Fittler. That's league's biggest junior nursery. He's a freak, and they don't come around all that often.
I'd say 10 clubs will have a crack at him.
Jennings is the most talented player to come out of Penrith since Brad Fittler. That's league's biggest junior nursery. He's a freak, and they don't come around all that often.
Mark^Bastard
Great White
Money we should have for next year (rough guess).
300k available this year.
+ 600k (cap going up)
+ 375k (seeya Tupou)
+ ? (seeya Best)
+ ? (seeya Morris
+ ? (seeya Kelly, or is that part of the 300k?)
Anyway, we're probably looking at about 1.5 million.
300k available this year.
+ 600k (cap going up)
+ 375k (seeya Tupou)
+ ? (seeya Best)
+ ? (seeya Morris
+ ? (seeya Kelly, or is that part of the 300k?)
Anyway, we're probably looking at about 1.5 million.
SharkShocked
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I will be very disappointed if we don't snare Gordon at the very least. Jennings will be highly sort after if he is cut.
To miss Gordon + Matai with money available would put a big downer on the situation.
To miss Gordon + Matai with money available would put a big downer on the situation.
HaroldBishop
Megalodon
Sorry AB, but Jennings is noweher near Slater, as a player or as a crowd pleaser.
Not as good, and doesn't get as much ball... but as talented, and as exciting? I reckon so.
Just my opinion of course. Plus the bloke hasn't had the benefit of being coached by Bellamy his entire career. He's had to cope with Matt fricken Elliott, who just wanted big humans and high kicks. Passing the ball or any sort of structure was deemed unnecessary.
Just my opinion of course. Plus the bloke hasn't had the benefit of being coached by Bellamy his entire career. He's had to cope with Matt fricken Elliott, who just wanted big humans and high kicks. Passing the ball or any sort of structure was deemed unnecessary.
snowman
Total gronk
thats because you have nfi really.
jennings, 8 games 6 tries 6 line breaks
compared to hodges, 9 games 1 try 5 line breaks
compared to lawrence, 9 games 1 try 2 line breaks
compared to lyon, 9 games 4 tries 3 line breaks
cant compare him fairly to inglis as he has played fullback, but 9 games 5tries 11 line breaks
only josh morris has statistically been better than michael jennings, having played 10 games scoring 9 tries and making 9 linebreaks.
be quiet now please, before you make yourself look silly again
I reckon $450k this year, Kelly included.
Best way to look at it is probably who we're talking to/making offers to... $350k ish for Matai, probably $400k for Gordon, interest in Manu/Williams... probably another $350-400k.
So at least $1.2m.
HaroldBishop
Megalodon
Fair enough, I think that's a huge comparison to make though.
Of course if he ends up at Cronulla I hope you're right.
I think on current form Lyon is the best centre in the comp at the moment. Shame he doesn't want to play rep footy.
Of course if he ends up at Cronulla I hope you're right.
I think on current form Lyon is the best centre in the comp at the moment. Shame he doesn't want to play rep footy.
HaroldBishop
Megalodon
What's wrong with agreeing to disagree?
Typical abusive reply from you. I'm not going to bother attempting to have a discussion with you as you always get abusive if someone dares to disagree.
snowman
Total gronk
i didnt get abusive. i proved you completey wrong and asked you politely to be quiet
Fair call. Love Lyon as a player, always have.
Just further to this... I doubt we use much of that third party cap- if any at all. So that could be an option as well, given his profile.
Then again, as we can't land a major sponsor, you'd wonder whether we could convince anyone to pay him to play for us.
I think Parra, St George and Souths will all make big plays.
HaroldBishop
Megalodon
By using stats? I don't think stats tell the complete story when comparing players.
Look, I think Jennings could be anything if he wanted to be, no doubt he has the talent. From what I've seen he doesn't get invlolved enough to justify a huge contract. BUT, as I've said before in previous posts that could be because he's playing in a crap team.
snowman
Total gronk
so how do you tell the full story?
i said i think jennigs has been better than them, you said he hasnt.
i showed you ways he has been better than them, you show me now how he hasnt.
isnt that the purpose of a discussion when there is a difference of opinion? i have stated my case to show why, if you dont like stats, fine, show me in another way how he hasnt been as good as those guys.
FTR, even in a well beaten team, jennings has been one of penrith best. if he got good quality ball, there isnt a centre in the league that could match him one on one.
i said i think jennigs has been better than them, you said he hasnt.
i showed you ways he has been better than them, you show me now how he hasnt.
isnt that the purpose of a discussion when there is a difference of opinion? i have stated my case to show why, if you dont like stats, fine, show me in another way how he hasnt been as good as those guys.
FTR, even in a well beaten team, jennings has been one of penrith best. if he got good quality ball, there isnt a centre in the league that could match him one on one.
Mark^Bastard
Great White
I'd say we use a bit? Gallen and Carney have done Lonsdale promos haven't they? I imagine they were a 3rd party sponsor of Gallen and he got them to take Carney on as well or something. But yeah there should be heaps of head room in that cap.
ROFL, stats aren't just some insignificant thing, particularly when talking about tries and line breaks.
With centres you want high stats in the the following:
- Tries
- Line breaks
- Line break assists
- Try assists
- Offloads
- Average metres per game
And low missed tackles
Jennings stats are very impressive given the halves there aren't the best and the team isn't going that well.
We've seen the kind of ball Carney can give. He took Best and Pomeroy to "the strongest-running and most creative centres in the NRL" http://www.nrl.com/bulldogs-v-sharks-preview/tabid/10874/newsid/67482/default.aspx
Imagine what he'd do with Jennings?
HaroldBishop
Megalodon
Stats are useful to a degree but I prefer to go off what I see What I see is someone with a huge amount of talent who has only realised a fraction of it. Is that because he's playing in a crap team? Maybe. I just think he drifts in and out of games too much (guess this can happen playing in the centres) and looks disinterested at times. Let's see how he goes in origin with a bit more quality around him and opposing class centres.
When you say there isn't a centre in the league that could match him one on one if he got quality ball, do you mean as in defending him? Or be as damaging in attack?
When you say there isn't a centre in the league that could match him one on one if he got quality ball, do you mean as in defending him? Or be as damaging in attack?