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Is there a stat on getting the team around the park so on tackle 5 you are in a position to kick into the corner (and be first to the receiver to assist with the tackle?)

It can be called the GTPT5PKC! Just rolls off the tongue!!!

God people are making up stats these days. Obviously a case of being locked up with Covid.
 

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Thanks mate, appreciate all of that. Yes, the commentators work themselves into a frenzy about certain stats and it really doesn't mean a lot.

I guess coaches need to keep them but I would say that they put a certain emphasis on some more than others and definitely different to the commentary team.

Do you know what stats are most important to coaches?

I know what isn't. Completions in the way the NRL reports them (i.e. a set restart counts as a completed set).

Melbourne kick to a corner, hold the fullback down for an age on tackle 1 and give up a set restart. Next play is tackle 1. You kick on the fifth.

NRL record this as 2 completed sets despite it being one possession and only 6 tackles.. This skews the completion% stats.

Coaches are smart enough to use their own measurement for completions that don't include this.

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Someone mentioned the Bellamy interview about watching guys off the ball etc. All good coaches value that stuff, but very few punters **** a **** about it. All teams would have stats on off the ball work that wouldn't be publicly available. Also - like bort said, the coach may not care too much about raw numbers (e.g. metres) but he would want to see the contextual stuff around it (was he in the right place at the right time, what part of the field was he taking his runs, etc.).
 
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I know what isn't. Completions in the way the NRL reports them (i.e. a set restart counts as a completed set).

Melbourne kick to a corner, hold the fullback down for an age on tackle 1 and give up a set restart. Next play is tackle 1. You kick on the fifth.

NRL record this as 2 completed sets despite it being one possession and only 6 tackles.. This skews the completion% stats.

Coaches are smart enough to use their own measurement for completions that don't include this.

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Someone mentioned the Bellamy interview about watching guys off the ball etc. All good coaches value that stuff, but very few punters **** a **** about it. All teams would have stats on off the ball work that wouldn't be publicly available. Also - like bort said, the coach may not care too much about raw numbers (e.g. metres) but he would want to see the contextual stuff around it (was he in the right place at the right time, what part of the field was he taking his runs, etc.).

Yeah I raised that.

You're saying plenty of coaches would watch things like how a player celebrates when their team scores a try?
 

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Yeah I raised that.

You're saying plenty of coaches would watch things like how a player celebrates when their team scores a try?

100%. Anyone coaching or in a development role at a decent level would be noticing 100 little things every game that the average punter doesn't think are important. It's not surprising at all to hear a professional coach say that he evaluates players based on their contributions off the ball, or their behaviour/attitude within the team. Building successful teams is about culture and effort. Get those two things right and the results follow.

Of course, having good players helps too ;)
 
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100%. Anyone coaching or in a development role at a decent level would be noticing 100 little things every game that the average punter doesn't think are important. It's not surprising at all to hear a professional coach say that he evaluates players based on their contributions off the ball, or their behaviour/attitude within the team. Building successful teams is about culture and effort. Get those two things right and the results follow.

Of course, having good players helps too ;)

Fair enough mate. Must say it was news to me.
 

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struggled to get into the game this week to the extent we have seen from weeks past but still was solid

Storm really strangled our edges until late game when it opened up a bit more and tracey and ramien got a bit of breathing room
 

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got a good ball offloaded for a try somewhere there tonight
stronger in the first half
 

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yes that offload in traffic and with players hanging off him half way to the ground was great
 

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First half was strong not much in the second but it felt like we had **** all good ball and we were just rucking out most of that 2nd half
 

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That’s the one part of his game that really does my head in. The track in field bouncing between blokes resulting in slow tackles and play the ball.

He is so damaging and great at breaking tackles that track in field needs adjustment,
 

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He actually put Sione in some space at one stage. If big sexy was a yard quicker they would be the ultimate edge.
 
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