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[snowman]

according to cam smith himself - he was offered no fulltime contract with brisbane

that is the same as cronk

slater was scouted by brisbane, awesome - scouted - not in their system

so thanks for confirming what i said all along

 

[Paul C]

None of this is true, other than maybe the Knights missing out on a 15 year old Inglis when he was at HSH
- Smith was offered contracts by both Brisbane and Melbourne at 17, and chose Melbourne. So what if he didn't get identified until then. Being a late bloomer is not the same as being told you are not good enough.
- Cronk was mainly a Rugby Union player who didn't really start playing serious club Rugby League until Melbourne signed him and put him at Norths Colts; he played league at school but had only played one or two years of junior club RL
- Slater was being scouted by Brisbane prior to Melbourne signing him
- Inglis was in demand by 16 and was carving up the Q Cup by 18. If he was off contract at every NRL team and probably some RU/AFL clubs would have chased him

This is all great recruitment and player development by Melbourne. However all of these players had multiple teams/codes chasing them.

Agree with all, except I think Cronk played Rugby at St Lawrence's

 

[Sparkles]

according to cam smith himself

Ah

 

[bort]

None of this is true, other than maybe the Knights missing out on a 15 year old Inglis when he was at HSH

Surely he was in QLD still at that age... because he's a Queenslander right?

according to cam smith himself - he was offered no fulltime contract with brisbane

According to Cam Smith according to snowman?

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/04/20...se-melbourne-storm-over-the-brisbane-broncos/

 

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[snowman]

Surely he was in QLD still at that age... because he's a Queenslander right?



According to Cam Smith according to snowman?

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/04/20...se-melbourne-storm-over-the-brisbane-broncos/

you realise you are just confirming what i said right - he had a first grade offer from melbourne or a 10k offer from brisbane

**** me dead - read his book - he confirms brisbane offered him a flat 10k deal, but melbournes was more incentivised and got him into the top squad within a year

 

[snowman]

"What I will say is that Cam was never part of the Broncos system," Wayne Smith said.

 

[snowman]

game snowman. thanks for playing again everyone

 

[Sparkles]

I honestly can't see anything Burgess or I have written that disagree's with the pathway thing. I thought we were talking about whether he was offered two equal contracts or not, and it seems pretty clear that he was.

 

[snowman]

read his book, it details what brisbanes contract offer to him was compared to melbournes

also, like JT, he was snubbed by the broncos every year until other teams showed interest

 

[Sparkles]

read his book, it details what brisbanes contract offer to him was compared to melbournes

also, like JT, he was snubbed by the broncos every year until other teams showed interest

If his dad is quoted correctly in the Fox article, he says that the offers were identical

 

[snowman]

If his dad is quoted correctly in the Fox article, he says that the offers were identical

so his dad, or cameron smiths book? an article with no quotes from cam, but from his dad.

 

[bort]

so his dad, or cameron smiths book? an article with no quotes from cam, but from his dad.

You've already declared yourself the winner of this conversation so probably not too much point anyone trying to continue having it, but it does seem possible to me that his dad was more involved in the dealings that a 19 year old Cam was. Haven't read the book and not going to but it seems possible they could have differing views on this and that his dads was actually the more correct one.

There are also two elements of what you are saying that I don't think reflect negatively on Brisbane, I can see why he opted against Brisbane because of them, but Brisbane didn't do anything strictly wrong.

Firstly Melbourne also showed no interest until that stage. Perhaps the stage interest came from multiple sources was the point where he was performing well enough to deserve interest? Bris may have snubbed him previously because he wasn't good enough? Which is perhaps backed by the fact no other clubs made him offers either. Bris just look worse being the local one.

Also as Priddis left he likely would have been able to make his NRL debut with Bris same year as he did with Melbourne. Brisbane having a stronger 9 at the time ahead of him doesn't mean they did the wrong thing by him or offered him less, just there is a lot to be said about going to the club with a less obstructed pathway. To me this is a factor for him to consider but doesn't unbalance the quality of the offers.

Not saying you're wrong, as I said I haven't read the book, but just to me you are holding some elements of the situation against Brisbane more than they should be.

 

[snowman]

Firstly Melbourne also showed no interest until that stage. .

Melbourne were 2 years old when they signed him..... Smith was 15 when Melbourne entered the comp

from his mouth, brisbane had ample chances to sign him and elected to sign other people over him

he was never offered a broncos scholarship, neither was JT, as they were in the not good enough basket

 

[bort]

Melbourne were 2 years old when they signed him..... Smith was 15 when Melbourne entered the comp

from his mouth, brisbane had ample chances to sign him and elected to sign other people over him

he was never offered a broncos scholarship, neither was JT, as they were in the not good enough basket

Sure, and at the point he became good enough he got offers - why should Brisbane be expected to put a guy who isn't good enough on a scholarship? Yes he may have felt snubbed by this, in particular because it was his local, but they didn't do anything wrong by him, he didn't deserve a contract (seemingly) so neither Broncos nor anybody else offered him one.
Until he was good enough and two did, his local club which must have been keeping somewhat of an eye on him, and Storm.

Given they were trying to fill a team before their first year Melbourne still had multiple years through his mid teens to make him an offer if he had been good enough then.

Some players develop a bit later, some have skills but can't handle the rough and tumble of seniors until their body matures a bit and they get more experience tackling adults.
Look at Jangala Bennet or whatever his name is with us at the moment, got a contract on some exciting play he was showing and can't make **** all teams because he isn't big enough.
Years from now maybe Jangala will come good for another club and people will say oh Cronulla let him slip, they could have had him, they should have given him a chance and it isn't really true because right now he is clearly crap (as a seniors player) and there is probably no reason to retain him.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Sure, and at the point he became good enough he got offers - why should Brisbane be expected to put a guy who isn't good enough on a scholarship? Yes he may have felt snubbed by this, in particular because it was his local, but they didn't do anything wrong by him, he didn't deserve a contract (seemingly) so neither Broncos nor anybody else offered him one.
Until he was good enough and two did, his local club which must have been keeping somewhat of an eye on him, and Storm.

Given they were trying to fill a team before their first year Melbourne still had multiple years through his mid teens to make him an offer if he had been good enough then.

Some players develop a bit later, some have skills but can't handle the rough and tumble of seniors until their body matures a bit and they get more experience tackling adults.
Look at Jangala Bennet or whatever his name is with us at the moment, got a contract on some exciting play he was showing and can't make **** all teams because he isn't big enough.
Years from now maybe Jangala will come good for another club and people will say oh Cronulla let him slip, they could have had him, they should have given him a chance and it isn't really true because right now he is clearly crap (as a seniors player) and there is probably no reason to retain him.

I think you could also look at JAC in regards to this scenario.
Flanno considered him to small to make it and never gave him his chance in snrs, so he jumped ship to the Tigers where he had some good games and stank it up in others, then Melbourne and the rest is history!

 

[bort]

I think you could also look at JAC in regards to this scenario.
Flanno considered him to small to make it and never gave him his chance in snrs, so he jumped ship to the Tigers where he had some good games and stank it up in others, then Melbourne and the rest is history!

Was part of a **** 20s side and we'd just brought young guns Val and Bird into first grade so he appeared expendable. Tigers gave him a chance and he did fairly well (but he was also a year older and another year in an NRL system). Then with that under his belt he went to Storm and has bulked up quite a bit and obviously they have a great system in place there.
It's fairly rare to put on as much muscle as he has and retain such crazy speed and agility.

 

[snowman]

I think you could also look at JAC in regards to this scenario.
Flanno considered him to small to make it and never gave him his chance in snrs, so he jumped ship to the Tigers where he had some good games and stank it up in others, then Melbourne and the rest is history!

thats only 50% true

JAC was a trouble maker and a big drinker, we drove him to leichhardt as we were already under scrutiny for player behaviour

 

[Gards]

I have maintained for a while that if we didn't just have Holmes come through the 20s as a gun fullback into first grade JAC would have got more of a look in at our Club

JAC as a fullback in our 20s squad just was not as impressive or consistent and our future FG fullback was by then earmarked as Val

Interesting regarding being a trouble maker, apparently that is why he was punted from the Souths SG Ball team prior to Sharks signing him

 

[bort]

But he seems like such a quiet boy...