(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[HaroldBishop]

In addition to that - I don't have an issue with it being bad for Parra

I wouldn't have an issue with the sook getting a bad injury which reduces his value.

 

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I wouldn't have an issue with the sook getting a bad injury which reduces his value.

I don't love the implication of wanting one of the players badly injured

Also unless it actually made him a worse player you are just trading off less cash in his pocked for the team that signs him to get him at a more affordable price and put a better team around him. I don't like him very much but not sure if I'd rather see him have less money than less success. Maybe the latter as a Prem (and especially if he got a Clive) would make a big difference in his legacy - at the moment he's just a sook who can't get the job done.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I don't love the implication of wanting one of the players badly injured

Also unless it actually made him a worse player you are just trading off less cash in his pocked for the team that signs him to get him at a more affordable price and put a better team around him. I don't like him very much but not sure if I'd rather see him have less money than less success. Maybe the latter as a Prem (and especially if he got a Clive) would make a big difference in his legacy - at the moment he's just a sook who can't get the job done.

Me either.....normally.

Agree with the rest.

 

[Milkshark]

its not, no, but there are no quality halves on the market

so you either withdraw the contract offer and hope something falls into your lap, or you wait it out

It's true there are no quality halves on the market. And arguably, alot of the current starting halves are being paid overs due to the lack of quality halves.

I wonder in this current market, what Trindall is actually worth. Assuming he isn't on a huge contract and is is signed until end of 2025, I feel like he would have been better to have not signed such a long contract with Sharks and see what is he worth on the open market.

Or maybe Sharks are a desirable club to play for with the current Dally M and Fitzgibbon as the coach, and he chose to wait his time out behind Moylan who maybe on his last legs.

 

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It's true there are no quality halves on the market. And arguably, alot of the current starting halves are being paid overs due to the lack of quality halves.

I wonder in this current market, what Trindall is actually worth. Assuming he isn't on a huge contract and is is signed until end of 2025, I feel like he would have been better to have not signed such a long contract with Sharks and see what is he worth on the open market.

Or maybe Sharks are a desirable club to play for with the current Dally M and Fitzgibbon as the coach, and he chose to wait his time out behind Moylan who maybe on his last legs.

Quite possibly, assuming Dykes is seen as a 1 then Puru would be his main competition for the 6 longer term. Some good potential there but a long way behind Trindall currently, I expect.

His value at the moment is questionable I'd say

Not better than
DCE, Moses, SWalker, Hughes, Townsend, Johnson, Reynolds, Hunt, Fogarty, Hynes
Schuster(?), Brown, Ponga (?), Keary, CWalker, Brimson, Munster, Dearden, TMM, Mam, Burton, Dueihi, Wighton

Questionable
Hastings, SOS, Ilias, Brooks (although I also think all these teams will stand by these guys for now),
IKatoa*, Moylan
*(maybe better than IKatoa but he has high expectations)

Maybe would jump ship sooner rather than later
Titans (Boyd, Sexton), Bulldogs (Flanagan, Oloapu), Sullivan/Amone

And TBH Flanno has been decent from what I have seen so far this season so they wouldn't feel pressed to change right now.
Think Drags and Tits both have couple options they'd be prepared to feel out a bit longer too.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Quite possibly, assuming Dykes is seen as a 1 then Puru would be his main competition for the 6 longer term. Some good potential there but a long way behind Trindall currently, I expect.

His value at the moment is questionable I'd say

Not better than
DCE, Moses, SWalker, Hughes, Townsend, Johnson, Reynolds, Hunt, Fogarty, Hynes
Schuster(?), Brown, Ponga (?), Keary, CWalker, Brimson, Munster, Dearden, TMM, Mam, Burton, Dueihi, Wighton

Questionable
Hastings, SOS, Ilias, Brooks (although I also think all these teams will stand by these guys for now),
IKatoa*, Moylan
*(maybe better than IKatoa but he has high expectations)

Maybe would jump ship sooner rather than later
Titans (Boyd, Sexton), Bulldogs (Flanagan, Oloapu), Sullivan/Amone

And TBH Flanno has been decent from what I have seen so far this season so they wouldn't feel pressed to change right now.
Think Drags and Tits both have couple options they'd be prepared to feel out a bit longer too.

I think Flanno has been reasonable this year. I think he will be a bit like Chad Townsend or Petter Wallace. Have a long career, never be a standout but be ok in the right team.

 

[Wiz]

You think he’s Not better than
DCE, Moses, SWalker, Hughes, Townsend, Johnson, Reynolds, Hunt, Fogarty, Hynes
Schuster(?), Brown, Ponga (?), Keary, CWalker, Brimson, Munster, Dearden, TMM, Mam, Burton, Dueihi, Wighton…



At this point If I’m building a team and I’ve got to pick a halfback between Trindall and Brimson (fullback) I’m picking tricky
Also picking tricky in the halves over
TMM (meh)
Burton (centre)
Douehi (not really a half)
Townsend (similar but tricky is more flashy and younger)
Johnson (inconsistent)
S walker (Trindall has a higher ceiling I think)

I feel like he’s played better than all those above this year and will only get better with game time - his goal kicking is a bonus too

 

[HaroldBishop]

You think he’s Not better than
DCE, Moses, SWalker, Hughes, Townsend, Johnson, Reynolds, Hunt, Fogarty, Hynes
Schuster(?), Brown, Ponga (?), Keary, CWalker, Brimson, Munster, Dearden, TMM, Mam, Burton, Dueihi, Wighton…



At this point If I’m building a team and I’ve got to pick a halfback between Trindall and Brimson (fullback) I’m picking tricky
Also picking tricky in the halves over
TMM (meh)
Burton (centre)
Douehi (not really a half)
Townsend (similar but tricky is more flashy and younger)
Johnson (inconsistent)
S walker (Trindall has a higher ceiling I think)

I feel like he’s played better than all those above this year and will only get better with game time - his goal kicking is a bonus too

Yeah tend to agree with that.

Also, Sam Walker is so damn overrated it isn't even funny. No one would bat an eyelid if he played for the Titan/Wests/Warriors.

 

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Yeah tend to agree with that.

Also, Sam Walker is so damn overrated it isn't even funny. No one would bat an eyelid if he played for the Titan/Wests/Warriors.

To clarify

My post is not about how we rate these players, although obviously it is influenced by my own opinion (of what clubs opinions would be), it is about whether the club would consider replacing that player with Trindall.
I feel very strongly that Roosters would not drop Sam Walker to bring in Trindall at this stage.
Of course I could be wrong, and of course you may disagree, but just to clarify the purpose of my post responding to Milkys question about what his value may be.

A number of players listed also play quite a different role but there are some other 5/8s who are (apparently) halfbacks but just playing in the most available jersey right now (Dearden, Mam). I was talking about Trindall taking Moylan's jersey so it seemed more fair to include all the 5/8s as well as halves from other clubs.

Tigers would maybe look at a Brooks/Trindall pairing if they moved Doueihi to fullback but as with the Walker example I don't think they would bring him in over Doueihi. This is probably one of the clubs where he would have more value to chase, as they could look at shifting personel to accommodate. Knights same where you could play either him or Hastings in 7, the other in 6 and give them roles to suit with Ponga at FB but they've made that awkward by chasing Miller so hard and he is playing well.

Someone like Warriors, where both halves have some questions, they are going well enough at the moment they would not look at trying to bring Trindall in and further to that they have Volkman and Metcalf available too. I don't think he would be valuable for them to try and get.

Specifically to your point HB, I do agree a weaker team could not try and carry Walker through his deficiencies like Roosters have been, and still are. They would stand out a lot more and people would talk about them a lot more. If Walker was at Knights and Hastings was at Roosters for example I think Knights would absolutely be desperate for someone like Trindall.

His value would also be different if he was off contract. Teams may be more willing to sign him if he was available for next year than if they had to try and get him released.

 

[Milkshark]

Quite possibly, assuming Dykes is seen as a 1 then Puru would be his main competition for the 6 longer term. Some good potential there but a long way behind Trindall currently, I expect.

His value at the moment is questionable I'd say

Not better than
DCE, Moses, SWalker, Hughes, Townsend, Johnson, Reynolds, Hunt, Fogarty, Hynes
Schuster(?), Brown, Ponga (?), Keary, CWalker, Brimson, Munster, Dearden, TMM, Mam, Burton, Dueihi, Wighton

Questionable
Hastings, SOS, Ilias, Brooks (although I also think all these teams will stand by these guys for now),
IKatoa*, Moylan
*(maybe better than IKatoa but he has high expectations)

Maybe would jump ship sooner rather than later
Titans (Boyd, Sexton), Bulldogs (Flanagan, Oloapu), Sullivan/Amone

And TBH Flanno has been decent from what I have seen so far this season so they wouldn't feel pressed to change right now.
Think Drags and Tits both have couple options they'd be prepared to feel out a bit longer too.

Personally I rate Trindall, maybe more than others. So I could see him starting at:

Tigers
Bulldogs
Cowboys
Warriors

Walker has a Roosters tag so people are blindsided by that quite easily. So throw in the Roosters also.

Trindall has age on his side, and a boot.

I could easily see him walk up start in any of the above teams and on a sizeable contract.

 

[snowman]

Personally I rate Trindall, maybe more than others. So I could see him starting at:

Tigers
Bulldogs
Cowboys
Warriors

Walker has a Roosters tag so people are blindsided by that quite easily. So throw in the Roosters also.

Trindall has age on his side, and a boot.

I could easily see him walk up start in any of the above teams and on a sizeable contract.

i'd add titans, raiders, manly (6) to that and its just being lazy tbh

 

[bort]

Personally I rate Trindall, maybe more than others. So I could see him starting at:

Tigers
Bulldogs
Cowboys
Warriors

Walker has a Roosters tag so people are blindsided by that quite easily. So throw in the Roosters also.

Trindall has age on his side, and a boot.

I could easily see him walk up start in any of the above teams and on a sizeable contract.

You could very well be right, as per what I wrote above though, I disagree.

I definitely don't think Roosters would value Trindall as a walk up start on a sizeable contract right now, at the expense of Walker.
And they have cap magic to make it happen if they did.

Similarly the fact you like him more than Townsend and he is younger I don't think realistically means the Cowboys drop either of the halves who just took them deep into the finals from wooden spoon favourites to give Trindall a walk up start and sizeable contract.
I think most would view that as very high risk, and addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[bort]

i'd add titans, raiders, manly (6) to that and its just being lazy tbh

Manly is an interesting one - Schuster is a bit of an unknown but they have Cooper Johns who played well this season, and Fainu. DCE can be one of the more dominant 7s. More chance they wait two years and strike if they can for a DCE replacement than value him to bring in right now.

Titans maybe if they gave up on Boyd and Sexton. And they could, we haven't seen much from them so far.

Raiders I think they'd be pretty happy with Wighton and Fogarty especially vs trying to get Trindall off us. Fogarty signed for next year but trying to get Trindall for 25 could become of interest to them if they didn't wanna back Schneider in.

 

[Milkshark]

i'd add titans, raiders, manly (6) to that and its just being lazy tbh

I haven’t seen enough of them play to comment but happy to take your word.

We are lucky he is a “backup” for us. Not sure people truly understand or appreciate that.

 

[Milkshark]

You could very well be right, as per what I wrote above though, I disagree.

I definitely don't think Roosters would value Trindall as a walk up start on a sizeable contract right now, at the expense of Walker.
And they have cap magic to make it happen if they did.

Similarly the fact you like him more than Townsend and he is younger I don't think realistically means the Cowboys drop either of the halves who just took them deep into the finals from wooden spoon favourites to give Trindall a walk up start and sizeable contract.
I think most would view that as very high risk, and addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

I have Trindall over Townsend based on Chad is 32, and with a smaller skill ceiling compared to Trindall.

 

[bort]

I haven’t seen enough of them play to comment but happy to take your word.

We are lucky he is a “backup” for us. Not sure people truly understand or appreciate that.

The fact I don't think the Cowboys would drop Chad to pursue Trindall doesn't mean I don't think he is a fantastic backup.

If there was a league wide redraft of teams he'd go before some others who are starting right now IMO

I have Trindall over Townsend based on Chad is 32, and with a smaller skill ceiling compared to Trindall.

Sure, but how you rate him doesn't make him valuable to the Cowboys who paid out big to bring in Townsend and found immediate success.

As I said above, in a leaguewide rebalance of teams, could be pretty interesting if he went before Townsend or not - experience vs youth.
IMO probably depend on who that team had already taken.
But I would be immensely surprised if current Cowboys tried to push Chad out a year early to bring in Trindall in the actual circumstances of the NRL.

Perhaps compounded even further by the fact Dearden is generally regarded as a 7 so good chance they'd be looking to move him into that jersey when Townsend leaves.

 

[Milkshark]

The fact I don't think the Cowboys would drop Chad to pursue Trindall doesn't mean I don't think he is a fantastic backup.

If there was a league wide redraft of teams he'd go before some others who are starting right now IMO


Sure, but how you rate him doesn't make him valuable to the Cowboys who paid out big to bring in Townsend and found immediate success.

As I said above, in a leaguewide rebalance of teams, could be pretty interesting if he went before Townsend or not - experience vs youth.
IMO probably depend on who that team had already taken.
But I would be immensely surprised if current Cowboys tried to push Chad out a year early to bring in Trindall in the actual circumstances of the NRL.

Perhaps compounded even further by the fact Dearden is generally regarded as a 7 so good chance they'd be looking to move him into that jersey when Townsend leaves.

Yeah I get all that and probably somewhat agree.

I was only looking who he could play and take over from that is already playing 7.

 

[bort]

Yeah I get all that and probably somewhat agree.

I was only looking who he could play and take over from that is already playing 7.

Yeah I think it becomes a much more versatile conversation in say, 12 months, even though he can't technically negotiate yet still.

If he hasn't locked down the 6 you have the likes of Dearden, Doueihi, Foran, Gamble, Keary, Luai, Mam, Wighton, Boyd, Fogarty, ARey, Sexton and Chad all in their last year (if they haven't already been extended).

And Moylan himself.

 

[Milkshark]

Yeah I think it becomes a much more versatile conversation in say, 12 months, even though he can't technically negotiate yet still.

If he hasn't locked down the 6 you have the likes of Dearden, Doueihi, Foran, Gamble, Keary, Luai, Mam, Wighton, Boyd, Fogarty, ARey, Sexton and Chad all in their last year (if they haven't already been extended).

And Moylan himself.

All good mate.

Appreciate the discussion. I like to hear what everyone thinks.

 

[stormshark]

I have Trindall over Townsend based on Chad is 32, and with a smaller skill ceiling compared to Trindall.

Yep,and he had a stinker last game the ol Chaddyboy i thought.Cld be the decline.