Official 2024 NRL General Discussion

[Thresher]

Not convinced its racist much, if at all. Really depends on the intent. We call kids silly monkeys. We're all shaved apes ffs.

I didn't realise that's what you'd been arguing

 

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Not convinced its racist much, if at all. Really depends on the intent. We call kids silly monkeys. We're all shaved apes ffs.

My first thought was it was probably a poorly chosen word without that intention behind it but the follow up by him was not great.

And while can’t hold his relative against him specifically it was just more which swayed my impression maybe he didn’t think Mam was cheeky.

Leniu is also a dude who repeatedly called someone he’d concussed with a high shot a pussy **** so not like he has a history of being a chill dude.

 

[BurgoShark]

Plenty of this belongs in egg’s can of worms thread.

I’m with you Cap. Bloke behaved like a dick, but we can’t say whether he is racist or not because we are not mind readers. Dumb move in the showpiece game but it’s a storm in a teacup.

 

[CrazyMatt]

Have you seen the colour of Leniu's skin?

I understand that part of the argument and a good case could be made for it to be valid. But could it be possible that particular slur could mean more to Ezra as a man of Indigenous decent then it does to Spencer as a man of Islander decent? I don’t know. I’m neither, so I wouldn’t know.

Regardless, its a racial slur that deeply affected Ezra and that’s what matters, no matter whose mouth it came from.

 

[Capital_Shark]

My first thought was it was probably a poorly chosen word without that intention behind it but the follow up by him was not great.

And while can’t hold his relative against him specifically it was just more which swayed my impression maybe he didn’t think Mam was cheeky.

Leniu is also a dude who repeatedly called someone he’d concussed with a high shot a pussy **** so not like he has a history of being a chill dude.

He's a firebrand prop dude, he makes a living being a hard **** and obviously enjoys belting ****s. That doesn't make him a bad person. Dane Gagai was ripping into everyone he got the better of tonight, its pro RL. But you probably don't fire up & get into colleagues over type-os & spelling mistakes, remind them of it all week & try **** with their confidence so maybe they shouldn't.

 

[BurgoShark]

I understand that part of the argument and a good case could be made for it to be valid. But could it be possible that particular slur could mean more to Ezra as a man of Indigenous decent then it does to Spencer as a man of Islander decent? I don’t know. I’m neither, so I wouldn’t know.

Regardless, it’s a racial slur that deeply affected Ezra and that’s what matters, no matter whose mouth it came from.

That’s what we’ve been talking about mate.

Should the intent or the level of offence matter more?

Let’s say you posted something to the forum which was obviously offensive to me - but in context there was no intent…

Where should I fall on that one?

(for discussion sake only)

 

[Capital_Shark]

Regardless, its a racial slur that deeply affected Ezra and that’s what matters, no matter whose mouth it came from.

Its a word. A sound. Not an entirely taboo one without any other purpose either. Maybe Ezra being deeply affected is something for Ezra to sort out within himself.

 

[egg]

Its been a slur to them for over a century, used by people with intention to belittle and harm a man for his race and colour of his skin. I’d say it is.

By another person of colour ?
This is why I started a separate thread

 

[egg]

If Sam Kerr was Anglo Saxon would she be in trouble now ?
For example ,
If I said Piss Off B and B you white arsed snowflake ?
Should I be BANNED from this site .
PLEASE don't PUNISH me Burgo for being so Racist
PS : I have a white arse

 

[BrickMan]

I don't think Spencer went into the situation with the idea to be racist in his head. He could have called him a monkey because he thinks he looked like one at the time, was acting like one or maybe he was being racist on purpose. At the end of the day it affected Ezra and the indigenous community, so he'll cop his punishment and everyone should move on

 

[bort]

He's a firebrand prop dude, he makes a living being a hard **** and obviously enjoys belting ****s. That doesn't make him a bad person. Dane Gagai was ripping into everyone he got the better of tonight, its pro RL. But you probably don't fire up & get into colleagues over type-os & spelling mistakes, remind them of it all week & try **** with their confidence so maybe they shouldn't.

But it doesn’t mean he can’t be one either. A non zero amount of NRL players are.

I didn’t see Dane Gagai abuse any concussed players or racially abuse anyone.

And no, I don’t racially abuse my co-workers for typos.

 

[Proud Shark]

Thought Bennet had a good take on this. Essentially said no RL doesn't have a racism problem. We don't need a crack down. People say **** they regret, and if that's what happened there should be a punishment but it shouldn't be anything silly. Told all the drama queens to get ****ed too.

I'm sure someone can find the link.

 

[Capital_Shark]

But it doesn’t mean he can’t be one either. A non zero amount of NRL players are.

I didn’t see Dane Gagai abuse any concussed players or racially abuse anyone.

And no, I don’t racially abuse my co-workers for typos.

A non zero amount of all humans are bad people. Bad is a broad scope too, peoples definition of that would vary greatly.

I didn't say racially abuse, don't twist it. I'm talking sledging. "haha nice catch, dickfingers" when they drop it & keep reminding them hoping they drop more or getting up in their face jacked up after putting them into touch "**** YEAH! NOT GETTING PAST ME ****!" - there's not many other jobs I can think of where similar would be accepted; "learn the difference between there, their & they're yet Brian you ****ing loser?"

 

[Blair]

Its a word. A sound. Not an entirely taboo one without any other purpose either. Maybe Ezra being deeply affected is something for Ezra to sort out within himself.

Mate, I’m going to take a wild guess and assume you’ve never been racially abused, (as the minority). As someone who has, I can tell you it cuts much deeper than any normal insult. It insults the person, their family and their community and in most cases insinuates that they are less human. Or less worthy. The term monkey has a history of being used liked this - which I’m sure you are aware of.

Also, as far as I have seen, Ezra hasn’t commented on it , so to assume that he has to sort something out within himself is a bs take.

 

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A non zero amount of all humans are bad people. Bad is a broad scope too, peoples definition of that would vary greatly.

I didn't say racially abuse, don't twist it. I'm talking sledging. "haha nice catch, dickfingers" when they drop it & keep reminding them hoping they drop more or getting up in their face jacked up after putting them into touch "**** YEAH! NOT GETTING PAST ME ****!" - there's not many other jobs I can think of where similar would be accepted; "learn the difference between there, their & they're yet Brian you ****ing loser?"

I’m a bit lost about why because I don’t swear at my coworkers (too much) he should be able to be racist?

I get that you weren’t offended by it and feel like Mam shouldn’t have been either. I wasn’t personally offended but I don’t feel like I’m in a position to decide for him if he should be.

I understand the argument he maybe didn’t mean it as a racist insult and more just a general one, although he was put on report for allegedly racially abusing someone so calling it ‘fun and games’ probably wasn’t the best call. Racism isn’t fun and games for everyone.
Maybe he has never discriminated against someone based on race and never would but he could have dealt with this mistake/misunderstanding better than trying to fight the guys teammates in a hotel corridor.

I’m not even saying he should be rubbed out for a particularly long time. He ****ed up, he ate away at some of his benefit of the doubt but was at least smart enough to cop the clubs apology and guilty on it.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Mate, I’m going to take a wild guess and assume you’ve never been racially abused, (as the minority). As someone who has, I can tell you it cuts much deeper than any normal insult. It insults the person, their family and their community and in most cases insinuates that they are less human. Or less worthy. The term monkey has a history of being used liked this - which I’m sure you are aware of.

Also, as far as I have seen, Ezra hasn’t commented on it , so to assume that he has to sort something out within himself is a bs take.

You're allowed assumptions but I'm not? Ezra made a formal complaint, he obviously wasn't too happy. His coach said he was very upset. And I was only using the same wording as was used in the post I was responding to.

As far as racially abused myself, no I've not been. I was very visibly different to every other kid throughout school (& life in general) though & therefore a very easy target for a lotta unkind treatment. I think I might have a better understanding than you'd assume. But I was raised on:

• "sticks & stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me
• don't let em see they hurt you
• stick up for yourself & give it back better

 

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You're allowed assumptions but I'm not? Ezra made a formal complaint, he obviously wasn't too happy. His coach said he was very upset. And I was only using the same wording as was used in the post I was responding to.

As far as racially abused myself, no I've not been. I was very visibly different to every other kid throughout school (& life in general) though & therefore a very easy target for a lotta unkind treatment. I think I might have a better understanding than you'd assume. But I was raised on:

• "sticks & stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me
• don't let em see they hurt you
• stick up for yourself & give it back better

That’s great, but even better if you don’t have to do those things right?

Leniu said something stupid (whether intentionally or not), Mam stuck up for himself by not letting it slide, reacting appropriately for the environment he was in.

He’d be a braver man than I to try and ‘give it back better’ to that nut job.

 

[Capital_Shark]

I’m a bit lost about why because I don’t swear at my coworkers (too much) he should be able to be racist?

I was rolling back to our chat about the office & sports field being very different environments.

 

[Capital_Shark]

That’s great, but even better if you don’t have to do those things right?

Absolutely not. It sucked but it grew me strong. Now in a world where words are violence I'm bulletproof with a ****en arsenal.

 

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I was rolling back to our chat about the office & sports field being very different environments.

I agree with that, I just think it doesn’t make racism okay in his environment still.
I’d probably get in more trouble for punching someone at work than he would too but he’s also not supposed to do that (anymore).

At this stage it’s blown out of proportion because of the stage and his (and families) antics immediately afterwards but is far far from the worst thing that’s happened in the NRL.
I can’t agree with a take Mam should just have to cop it or should just choose not to be offended though. I doubt there is any word you could call me that would hit similarly but I won’t decide for Mam and Nicho and others that has to be the same for them.