2023 what recruitment/personnel changes do we need?

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Very aware of the accuracy and time you put in and very thank full for it.'Transitioning' is no guarantee though. I'll be extremely surprised if he is top 30 next year. To go from SG Ball a year young to NRL top 30 the year after is unheard of, unless you're Joseph Suali. I think you'll find he'll be jersey fleg next year, possibly not even that. The flegg fullback this year is rated. How old is he? Kennedy, Miller and Dykes will be top 30 fullbacks.
Since 1 August deadline updates, nrl.com has him listed as top 30. They are not always correct though. FYI, when he signed that deal the announcement read:



Your best reference for signings is always post #1 here. This is not just a copy and paste job; hours and hours of research go in to keeping this thread as up-to-date as possible.
 

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Very aware of the accuracy and time you put in and very thank full for it.'Transitioning' is no guarantee though. I'll be extremely surprised if he is top 30 next year. To go from SG Ball a year young to NRL top 30 the year after is unheard of, unless you're Joseph Suali. I think you'll find he'll be jersey fleg next year, possibly not even that. The flegg fullback this year is rated. How old is he? Kennedy, Miller and Dykes will be top 30 fullbacks.

Don’t have to play someone in NRL just because they are in top30. Could just be a benefit to secure his signature
 

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Very aware of the accuracy and time you put in and very thank full for it. 'Transitioning' is no guarantee though. I'll be extremely surprised if he is top 30 next year. To go from SG Ball a year young to NRL top 30 the year after is unheard of, unless you're Joseph Suali. I think you'll find he'll be jersey fleg next year, possibly not even that. The flegg fullback this year is rated. How old is he? Kennedy, Miller and Dykes will be top 30 fullbacks.
A player being added to the top 30 in the year he turns 19 is pretty common.

Xerri, Paix, Flegler, Cobbo, Mam, Fifita, Best, Luki, Nanai are a few off the top of my head from the last 3-4 years. Pele and Taumoepeau were both top 30 in the year they turned 20.

As @bort said, in Siteni's case it was likely a carrot dangled to secure his signature.
 
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These things arnt finalised at this stage mate. Players are unsigned, spots still to fill. I think you'll find Iro will end up top 30 next year.
Of course things can change. T&T/dev guys get bumped into the top 30 all the time. I just don't think we can pencil Iro in for a spot given his (apparent) contract status.

you sure? this suggests he was upgraded to top 30 this year and the following years

I'm definitely not sure. I'm just capturing the most recently available info. NRL.com had him as top 30 from August-on this year, then being on deve list for 2023, and top 30 for 2024.

Sharks media have a track record of getting things wrong too. In this case it seems like they may have just missed some details.
 
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If Fitz the rookie coach, with the rookie half, finished second this year, what will his pass mark be next year?
Assuming almost all of our squad is the same next year. But our draw can only get harder (to follow the popular narrative).
We only get better, surely.
 

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Of course things can change. T&T/dev guys get bumped into the top 30 all the time. I just don't think we can pencil Iro in for a spot given his (apparent) contract status.


I'm definitely not sure. I'm just capturing the most recently available info. NRL.com had him as top 30 from August-on this year, then being on deve list for 2023, and top 30 for 2024.

Sharks media have a track record of getting things wrong too. In this case it seems like they may have just missed some details.
from my understanding and what was released by the sharks, he is top 30 for 2023

 

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If Fitz the rookie coach, with the rookie half, finished second this year, what will his pass mark be next year?
Assuming almost all of our squad is the same next year. But our draw can only get harder (to follow the popular narrative).
We only get better, surely.
Next year I'd like to think we go through undefeated.

In 2024 undefeated and no points conceded.
 

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from my understanding and what was released by the sharks, he is top 30 for 2023


Here is what the Sharks article says.
has been promoted into the Sharks top 30 for the remainder of the 2022 season and then becomes a member of the full-time NRL squad for the two years to follow.
This is consistent with what the NRL says. Top 30 for 2022, then "part of the squad".

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Here's what nrl.com added immediately after he was signed. They added Taukamo to the top 30 and Rodwell to the dev list on the same day.

... but we know that this is wrong for Ryan Rivett, so it could be wrong for Iro. We've seen mistakes on there in the past.

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If Fitz the rookie coach, with the rookie half, finished second this year, what will his pass mark be next year?
Assuming almost all of our squad is the same next year. But our draw can only get harder (to follow the popular narrative).
We only get better, surely.

I'm not as fussed about finishing 2nd or 1st next year but obviously still need/want top 4 and to win more than zero finals games

We should be aiming for top 4 again and to get through to the prelim (this might be the new benchmark / passmark for Fitz in 2023) but hopefully pushing to go 1 better than that and make the GF

Having such a good first year as coach has very quickly set expectations high so even if we have a tough draw, injuries whatever next year I think fans will feel disappointed if we don't go at least as good as 2022

Finish top 8 and win a finals game or 2 could still be considered an improvement depending upon how you look at it

The majority of top 8 teams from 2022 will be even tougher next season IMO and will have taken heaps of confidence and learning's out of 2022 - we need to be one of them.

Most of the current bottom 8 I still see kinda sucking next year so there will be the usual suspects of bottom dweller teams to beat up on and get some wins but regardless we will do well to finish top 4. However if we really do sort out the issues we were having in 2022 (discipline, defense ect.) and further expand and leverage all the positives we showed we really should be a force in the finals race

We were a great team on our day and fantastic to watch early season but still won most of our games when we wernt that hot and that counts for something.

We will still have a strong squad full of talent and experience, need some luck with injuries, further develop combos and get some better leadership from senior players + need some really good form and performances from our hooker and fullback. We have the pieces it's just about bringing them all into place at the same time now and we can go far.

If we need a few extra pieces on the table to complete the puzzle I don't think we are missing that many as it stands. For Fitz it will more or less just be a case of tinkering a bit with the bench with no Fifs & Tolman. That's a good place to be in compared to some clubs that seem to be having a bit of a clean out and reshuffle/rebuild of their squads. It will take those blokes time to play well together consistently but we have already got a head start on that
 
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I'm not as fussed about finishing 2nd or 1st next year but obviously still need/want top 4 and to win more than zero finals games

We should be aiming for top 4 again and to get through to the prelim (this might be the new benchmark / passmark for Fitz in 2023) but hopefully pushing to go 1 better than that and make the GF

Having such a good first year as coach has very quickly set expectations high so even if we have a tough draw, injuries whatever next year I think fans will feel disappointed if we don't go at least as good as 2022

Finish top 8 and win a finals game or 2 could still be considered an improvement depending upon how you look at it

The majority of top 8 teams from 2022 will be even tougher next season IMO and will have taken heaps of confidence and learning's out of 2022 - we need to be one of them.

Most of the current bottom 8 I still see kinda sucking next year so there will be the usual suspects of bottom dweller teams to beat up on and get some wins but regardless we will do well to finish top 4. However if we really do sort out the issues we were having in 2022 (discipline, defense ect.) and further expand and leverage all the positives we showed we really should be a force in the finals race

We were a great team on our day and fantastic to watch early season but still won most of our games when we wernt that hot and that counts for something.

We will still have a strong squad full of talent and experience, need some luck with injuries, further develop combos and get some better leadership from senior players + need some really good form and performances from our hooker and fullback. We have the pieces it's just about bringing them all into place at the same time now and we can go far.

If we need a few extra pieces on the table to complete the puzzle I don't think we are missing that many as it stands. For Fitz it will more or less just be a case of tinkering a bit with the bench with no Fifs & Tolman. That's a good place to be in compared to some clubs that seem to be having a bit of a clean out and reshuffle/rebuild of their squads. It will take those blokes time to play well together consistently but we have already got a head start on that

Jack Williams should be our next Tolman. Ideally he'll develop into a big minute, metre eating tackling machine. He looks on the right trajectory to do that and surely with Fitz guiding him he'll get there
 
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