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Courier MailAustralians will have a Fuifui Moimoi 'mission'Courier MailIf the coach is looking for an enforcer, he is likely to turn to Sharks lock Paul Gallen or Manly's Anthony Watmough, who he may chose to start. ...and more »

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Australians will have a Fuifui Moimoi 'mission'
Andrew Webster in London
October 19, 2009 12:00am

THE mission for one of the Australian rugby league forwards will be a lot easier said than done: Stop the Fui Express. Kangaroos coach Tim Sheens has revealed he will give one of his players the singular - and imposing - job of shutting down rampaging prop Fuifui Moimoi in the Four Nations opener against New Zealand at Twickenham on Saturday.

With the 24-man squad now settled in London ahead of the tournament, Sheens admits he is wary of Moimoi, who will be playing his first Test for the Kiwis since 2007.

So determined is the coach to stop him, he will quietly take one of his forwards aside and give them the job of shadowing the Eels wrecking ball throughout the match.

"'Fui is the type of player who will hit you - so you need a player who will hit him and come back," Sheens said.

"'He's their forward leader. We're going to need a player who regularly challenges him from a defensive line point of view. Someone will get that role in the middle.

"Their job, everytime he challenges us, is to take the yards off him."

Sheens would not reveal who would be handed the job, probably because he remains undecided about the make-up of his pack, which will look vastly different to the one that humbled the Kiwis 38-10 in the Trans-Tasman Test in May.

Props Steve Price and Luke Bailey were not selected because of injury, while backrowers Anthony Laffranchi and Glenn Stewart were overlooked.

Bulldogs prop Ben Hannant is certain to partner Petero Civoniceva in the front-row, while Sheens hinted the late-season form of Storm backrower Ryan Hoffman and Parramatta's Nathan Hindmarsh meant they were close to selection.

"'They threw their hand up late," Sheens said of the grand final combatants.

"They played the grand final so that gives them an advantage physically. They're ready to play a tough game. I'm weighing up the team on those sort of things."

If the coach is looking for an enforcer, he is likely to turn to Sharks lock Paul Gallen or Manly's Anthony Watmough, who he may chose to start.

Either way, it's an onerous task given Moimoi's form in the last three months, including his late try that dragged the Eels back into the grand final.

Moimoi has played just five Tests for the Kiwis, and was overlooked for last year's World Cup over an eligibility dispute because he had played a one-off Test for his native country of Tonga.

He has never played under new coach Steve Kearney, but has the potential and explosiveness to shock the Kangaroos in a match Sheens has told his players they must win if they are to reach the final on November 14.

"'It's not just his yardage momentum, but the emotional momentum that a team gathers from a big strong guy going forward," Sheens said.

"Like we've played off Pricey and Petero over the years. It's about stealing yards off their key go-forward player. Sitting him on his backside, and when he comes again, doing it again.

"It's not just from the kick off. That's a brave run and a brave tackle. But it's about who's doing it 20 minutes later."
 

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Tomkins stakes Four Nations claim

Tomkins stakes Four Nations claimWigan TodayHe coached Warriors' reserves before taking assistant coaching positions in the NRL with Cronulla Sharks, Sydney Roosters and now the Dragons. ...

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Tomkins stakes Four Nations claim
19 October 2009
By Phil Wilkinson

Sam Tomkins staked a claim for a place in England's side for the Four Nations after scoring a hat-trick of tries on his international debut.

The Wigan stand-off took centre-stage in a 48-12 victory against Wales on Saturday night.

Leeds' Danny McGuire and St Helens' Kyle Eastmond – who didn't figure in Bridgend – will now come into the selection frame ahead of England's opening Four Nations match against France in Doncaster this Friday.

But Tomkins' hat-trick and all-round fine performance will give coach Tony Smith plenty to think about.

Tomkins said: "I'm really pleased. I think every game will get harder and we've got a lot of things to improve on, but we did some good things and we need to build on them.

"There's a great team spirit and I think we can go on and do something in the Four Nations."

Falklands veteran Simon Weston presented Tomkins with the man of the match prize after the match.

The 20-year-old added: "I think a lot of people were writing Wales off but we were under no illusions, we knew it was going to be a tough game and we certainly got that."

Tomkins – Super League's reigning Young Player of the Year – scored England first and last tries, as well as a scorching solo effort just before half-time.

Wigan skipper Sean O'Loughlin – playing in the centre – also crossed for his first try for his country.

Asked about Tomkins' performance, coach Smith said: "His broken field play was very good, but I thought both half-backs (Tomkins and Richie Myler) did well."

Welsh coach Iestyn Harris added: "In broken play, he is absolutely devastating. If the defensive line is not quite strong enough, he will absolutely rip you to shreds. He is a rising star in rugby league."

Former Wigan scrum-half Adrian Lam has been recruited by master coach Wayne Bennett to work at St George-Illawarra Dragons.

Lam publicly declared his interest in the Wigan coaching position before Michael Maguire's appointment.

Lam, the Papua New Guinea national coach, was a firm fans' favourite after four hugely successful years as a Warriors player from 2001.

He coached Warriors' reserves before taking assistant coaching positions in the NRL with Cronulla Sharks, Sydney Roosters and now the Dragons.

Warriors forward Harrison Hansen was on the losing side as Samoa were beaten 22-20 by the Cook Islands in Cairns, Australia, meaning they will miss out on the Pacific Cup, which takes place in Papua New Guinea next week.
 

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Can't wait for this comp to kick off next weekend.

Will Channel 9 televise the 4 Nations matches? Anyone, any idea???

CH9 is showing NZ v Australia live at 5.50AM Sunday, 25 October.

FoxSports is screening replays of NZ v Aus and England v France at the following times:

New Zealand v Australia
9AM Sunday, 25 October - FoxSports 1
7.30PM Sunday, 25 October - FoxSports 3
4.30PM Monday, 26 October - FoxSports 1
7PM Tuesday, 27 October - FoxSports 3
5AM Wednesday, 28 October - FoxSports 3
10.30AM Thursday, 29 October - FoxSports 1
10PM Saturday, 31 October - FoxSports 2

England v France
9AM Saturday, 24 October - FoxSports 3
6.30PM Saturday, 24 October - FoxSports 3
3.30AM Wednesday, 28 October - FoxSports 3
9AM Thursday, 29 October - FoxSports 1

Let ya know about the rest of the games when I know.
 
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Brett Morris poised to make unlikely international debutCourier MailMeanwhile, Morris was cutting it up on the same stretch of turf for the Dragons as they claimed the minor premiership and he finished as the NRL's leading ...and more »

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Brett Morris poised to make unlikely international debut
Andrew Webster
October 20, 2009 12:00am

BRETT Morris is poised to make a stunning international rugby league debut and he is prepared to play out of position to ensure it happens.
He started the season in reserve grade, was overlooked for NSW Origin selection, has never played senior representative football and was called up for the Kangaroos' World Cup squad because of an injury to Israel Folau.

As the squad's only genuine specialist winger, the Dragons' flyer is understood to be the likely option to start for the Kangaroos against New Zealand in their opening Four Nations match at The Stoop in Twickenham on Saturday night.

After being overlooked for NSW Origin selection, Morris was so unconvinced that he wasn't going to be chosen in the 24-man squad that he booked a holiday in Phuket with his girlfriend.

Then he got the phone call from team manager Craig Young.

"'Now I'm right here in sunny London," Morris grins.

Did he ever consider himself to be in contention?

"'Probably not," he says.

"At the start of the year, I was out playing reserve grade. If you had told me that I would've even been on this tour I would've laughed you and said, 'You're a goose'.

"There's some great players who have played rep footy, and I haven't played any. I thought, if I got picked I would be pretty lucky. In the end, I got in the squad because of injury."

But where to play him? The worst kept secret of the tournament so far seems to be that Eels superstar Jarryd Hayne will start on one wing with the Storm's Billy Slater retained at fullback.

Coach Tim Sheens doesn't seem to have many options on the other wing. Morris's twin brother Josh or Penrith's Michael Jennings, but both are more comfortable at centre.

Should Sheens opt for Brett, he will then have an interesting quandary of which side of the field to play him and Hayne, who was NSW's best player during this year's State of Origin series on the left.

Meanwhile, Morris was cutting it up on the same stretch of turf for the Dragons as they claimed the minor premiership and he finished as the NRL's leading tryscorer.

Apart from one match this year, Morris played a handful of games on the right wing for the Dragons in 2006 outside of Mark Gasnier. But since then, he has been rooted to the left touchline.

'"It doesn't really bother me," Morris said.

"Obviously, I played left-side most of this year but I have played right in the past.

"You'd prefer the left side of the field, but I'm not going to say I'm not going to play right if he picks me. He hasn't indicated too much. He's been keeping it pretty right. We did some training the other day and I trained in both spots."

You sense the unassuming 22-year-old wouldn't care if he was picked at hooker given the path he has traversed this season.

For the first two rounds, Dragons coach Wayne Bennett opted for Jason Nightingale. He earned his first start against the Sharks after that and completed the season as the Dally M leading tryscorer of the year.

"It's good to be here, to get a bit of recognition for the season," he said.

"There's a real opportunity now with Izzy (Folau) gone. He would've walked into that wing spot."
 

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Trent Waterhouse is Darren Lockyer's bodyguardDaily TelegraphThen he went on and finished the year as arguably the best back-rower in the NRL as the Storm clinched the premiership. "After missing out on Origin, ...

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Trent Waterhouse is Darren Lockyer's bodyguard
By Andrew Webster
October 22, 2009 12:00AM

MEET Trent Carroll. He's the man who must stop Frank Pritchard using Darren Lockyer as a speed hump. You may also know him as Trent Waterhouse, who has regained his Australian jumper after four years.

No sooner had the Penrith back-rower heard he was in the team for the opening match of the Four Nations against New Zealand, he was being told he must protect Lockyer in precisely the same way veteran forward Tonie Carroll has done for Queensland and the Broncos.

"If Pritchard gets to Lockyer, Trent's had a bad game,'' Kangaroos coach Tim Sheens said.

"Trent's got to do a Tonie Carroll and protect Lockyer. There used to be an old saying, 'If the other halves have had a good game, the other lock forward had a bad one'. If the halves are being pumped, the backrower hasn't done his job.'' Sheens then smiled: "Trent Carroll.''

When Sheens met with the national selectors in Sydney before the 24-man squad was selected, Waterhouse's name was already written on the board when he walked into the room. So, too, was Ryan Hoffman's.

Neither played in the 38-10 win over the Kiwis in the Anzac Test in May but their form in the second half of the season demanded selection.

Specifically, their height and ball skills make them the perfect tonic to Pritchard and fellow Kiwi back-rower Bronson Harrison.

Waterhouse says he is under no illusion about how hard it will be to stop his Penrith teammate in Pritchard, who runs like an out-of-control freight train when given enough rope.

"I'll have to take a sledgehammer out there,'' he said. "It'll be tough. He's a massive human. Once he gets that steam up, he's hard to stop. I'll have to get up in his face as much as I can and put pressure on him. But everyone's stoppable.

"I just have to take as much time off him as I can. Once he gets too much room to move, that's when he's hard to handle. I'll be ready for it. Locky's our trump card and we have to look after him.''

Waterhouse has not played for Australia since the Tri-Nations against England in this same neck of the woods in 2005 - the match that preceded Australia's loss to the Kiwis in the final. Hoffman represented his country in the Centenary Test last year and was overlooked for NSW this season. Then he went on and finished the year as arguably the best back-rower in the NRL as the Storm clinched the premiership.

"After missing out on Origin, I did think this year had gone past me,'' Hoffman said. "To be quite honest, before Origin I was thinking too much about Origin. My form didn't deserve me to get picked. When Origin finished, it wasn't a weight off my mind, but it was something I couldn't control anymore.

"Rep footy seemed so far away, so I just played footy.''

Just as Waterhouse must protect Lockyer, Sheens says Hoffman must protect halfback Johnathan Thurston. He must also look out for Storm teammate Adam Blair.

"Blairy's form all year has been great,'' he said. "And I know he's a passionate Kiwi. And I know he'll be trying to smash me because that's what he does at training.''

In the other change to the backrow, Sheens and the selectors have decided to start Manly's Anthony Watmough and relegate Sharks hardman Paul Gallen to the bench.

Parramatta's Nathan Hindmarsh had come under consideration and only narrowly missed the cut.
 

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Courier MailAustralia names three debutants for opening Four Nations TestCourier MailPic: Tim Anderson / The Courier-Mail COACH Tim Sheens has signalled a changing of the guard for the Australian rugby league team by naming three newcomers ...and more »

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Australia names three debutants for opening Four Nations Test
Andrew Webster in London
October 22, 2009 06:24am

COACH Tim Sheens has signalled a changing of the guard for the Australian rugby league team by naming three newcomers to tackle New Zealand. Props Ben Hannant and Brett White and winger Brett Morris will all wear the green and gold for the first time for the opening match of the Four Nations tournament against New Zealand at The Stoop at Twickenham on Sunday morning (Qld time). Morris started the season in reserve grade. Hannant was the new kid at a new club. And as for Brett White, he didn't know if he would play football again.

Yet today, those dark and uncertain days must seem an eternity away after the trio received the game's ultimate reward – selection for the Kangaroos.

Hannant will start at prop, Morris will partner Jarryd Hayne on the wing and White has found his way on to the bench.

The other notable selections are Melbourne's Ryan Hoffman and Penrith's Trent Waterhouse forming a new backrow combination with Manly's Anthony Watmough starting ahead of Cronulla's Paul Gallen, who has been pushed to the bench.

White's blazing finish to the year, which ended in a premiership with the Storm and selection in the Kangaroos' 24-man squad that forced his marriage to fiancee Cassie Adland to be rescheduled, just keeps on going after he was named on the bench.

It's timely to remember that he missed the first six rounds of the competition after he underwent agonising surgery on both big toes to have arthritis removed.

So uncertain was his future, his teammates did not know if he would make it back. "And I truly had doubts whether I would be playing footy again," White said.

"But I kept working through it. Things started slow, but it's finishing really good for me.

"A premiership – and now I'm here in London." You bet he is. And so is Morris.

He played the first two matches of the season in Premier League, has not played senior rep footy and was gifted a call-up to this squad when Israel Folau pulled out through injury. Now he's about to wear the green and gold.

Then there's Hannant, who took the bold step of leaving the Broncos to join last year's wooden spooners, the Bulldogs.

Hannant's chance came when Steve Price was ruled out with injury.

Billy Slater, Brett Morris, Justin Hodges, Greg Inglis, Jarryd Hayne, Darren Lockyer (capt), Johnathan Thurston, Petero Civoniceva, Cameron Smith, Ben Hannant, Paul Gallen, Trent Waterhouse, Anthony Watmough. Interchange: Kurt Gidley, Sam Thaiday, Ryan Hoffman, Brett White.
 

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guardian.co.ukBen White among three rookies Australia names to meet New Zealandguardian.co.ukThe Parramatta full-back Jarryd Hayne, who this year won the NRL's Dally M player of the year award, will fill the other wing spot. ...and more »

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Ben White among three rookies Australia names to meet New Zealand

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21 October 2009 23.16 BST

• Australia to take two uncapped props into match
• Captain Darren Lockyer to become most-capped Kangaroo

Australia will have three debutants in their line-up for Saturday's Four Nations match against New Zealand at the Twickenham Stoop.

The St George Illawarra winger Brett Morris and the prop forwards Ben Hannant, from Canterbury, and the Melbourne Storm's Brett White will pull on the green and gold for the first time.

For White, the maiden Test cap will come as sweet justification after he postponed his wedding in order to take part in the tour. White had been scheduled to get married the day after Australia's squad left for the Four Nations tour, but his fiancée agreed to postpone their big day.

The 23-year-old Morris beat off challenges from his twin brother Josh and the Penrith centre Michael Jennings to secure the wing berth vacated by the injured Israel Folau. The Parramatta full-back Jarryd Hayne, who this year won the NRL's Dally M player of the year award, will fill the other wing spot.

Captain Darren Lockyer will become the most capped Australian player in history, surpassing the mark of 46 Test and World Cup matches set by the Kangaroo and Queensland legend Mal Meninga.

The two teams met in last year's World Cup final, where New Zealand pulled off a shock 34-20 win. The nations have met once since then, Australia winning the annual Anzac Test 38-10 in Brisbane to retain their No1 world ranking, although the loss of the World Cup still bites.

Australia: B Slater (Melbourne); B Morris (St George Illawarra), G Inglis (Melbourne), J Hodges (Brisbane), J Hayne (Parramatta); D Lockyer (Brisbane, capt), J Thurston (North Queensland); B Hannant (Canterbury), C Smith (Melbourne), P Civoniceva (Penrith), A Watmough (Manly), T Waterhouse (Penrith), R Hoffman (Melbourne). Substitutes: B White (Melbourne), S Thaiday (Brisbane), P Gallen (Cronulla), K Gidley (Newcastle).
 

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Gal must have been pretty unlucky to miss out on a starting spot to Waterhouse, Hoffman and Watmough; this would have to be put down to a lack of football in the latter part of the season due to his shoulder problem. Also unlucky in my opinion is Jennings, I would rather see him on the wing than Brett Morris.
 

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Morris can't believe he's a KangarooLeague HQFinally he was given a crack against Cronulla in round three and from there he continued to find the tryline with monotonous regularity, the NSW south coast ...

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Morris can't believe he's a Kangaroo
October 22, 2009 - 12:16PM

Brett Morris' goal at the start of the year was both simple and daunting - to find a way past a pair of international wingers into the St George Illawarra NRL side.

As he stood on the flank for the Dragons' NSW Cup feeder side Shellharbour back in March, the task of unseating Wendell Sailor and Jason Nightingale must have seemed huge.

Now just days out from Australia's opening match of the Four Nations tournament, Morris is still pinching himself at the amazing ride which has propelled him into a Kangaroos jumper for Saturday night's clash with New Zealand in London.

"It's a long way from Shellharbour and Ron Costello Oval to here," said Morris after learning of his looming Test debut.

"I just can't wait - I'm over the moon. I had to pinch myself during the day.

"I started the year in reserve grade so from where I was to where I am now, it's like a roller coaster.

"I'm on a massive high and I can't wait to get out there on Saturday night."

His run with Shellharbour in the opening round proved to be just the start of a season of ebbs and flows.

The following week against Gold Coast he was an unused substitute on the Dragons interchange bench.

Finally he was given a crack against Cronulla in round three and from there he continued to find the tryline with monotonous regularity, the NSW south coast junior coming up with multiple four pointers in six matches and finishing as the NRL's leading try scorer.

It wasn't enough to earn him a start in the NSW Origin side - with twin brother Josh getting the jump on him there - and it didn't seem to impress Test selectors all that much either after he was left out of the initial 24-man Kangaroos squad for the Four Nations.

But an injury to Israel Folau opened the door for a late call-up to the touring party, Morris jumping the queue ahead of brother Josh and Penrith centre Michael Jennings to go straight into the Australian side where he will line-up outside Melbourne star Greg Inglis.

"Watching him week in week out, he's just a freak," Morris said of Inglis.

"To have that chance to play outside him is something I'm going to relish.

"You've watched these guys the last few years, you just watch them dominate.

"You always wish you can play outside an Inglis or a Hodges - I've got my chance now."

He's also got bragging rights when he Josh make the occasional trek back down south for a family dinner.

"Obviously he gave me a fair bit of ribbing when he played State of Origin first, but I've got this one on him now - I'll just leave it at that."
 

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22 October 2009 09:57 UK

Four Nations tournament, Australia v New Zealand
Venue: Twickenham Stoop Date: Saturday, 24 October KO: 2000 BST
Coverage: Live commentary on BBC Radio 5 live sports extra and BBC Sport website. Also live on Sky Sports 2. Highlights on Sunday 25 October from 1345-1445 on BBC Two and online

Australia v New Zealand

Australia will have three debutants in Saturday's Four Nations match against New Zealand at the Twickenham Stoop.

Winger Brett Morris and prop forwards Ben Hannant and Brett White will wear the green and gold for the first time in a rerun of the World Cup final.

New Zealand's Tonga-born front-rower Fuifui Moimoi will play his first international in two years on Saturday.

Leeds-bound Greg Eastwood is out with a hamstring injury with Adam Blair named as his replacement at loose forward.

Morris, 23, secures the wing berth vacated by the injured Israel Folau and takes his place in an impressive backline which also includes Billy Slater, Greg Inglis and Jarryd Hayne, who played for Fiji at last year's World Cup.

Captain Darren Lockyer will become the most-capped Australian in the game, surpassing the record he shares with Mal Meninga of 46 Test and World Cup matches.

Moimoi, who was outstanding for Parramatta in their NRL Grand Final loss to Melbourne is the only personnel change from the side which beat Tonga 40-24 in Rotorua last Wednesday with his last Test appearance coming against France in Paris in 2007.

Eastwood could return for the later games against France and England but coach Stephen Kearney does not want to risk him.

While Blair has played most of his 13 Tests as a prop, he had a stint in the second row during the game against Tonga and he started each of Melbourne's last six games of the year in the back row.

Australia: B Slater (Melbourne); B Morris (St George Illawarra), G Inglis (Melbourne), J Hodges (Brisbane), J Hayne (Parramatta); D Lockyer (Brisbane, capt), J Thurston (North Queensland); B Hannant (Canterbury), C Smith (Melbourne), P Civoniceva (Penrith), A Watmough (Manly), T Waterhouse (Penrith), R Hoffman (Melbourne).
Replacements: B White (Melbourne), S Thaiday (Brisbane), P Gallen (Cronulla), K Gidley (Newcastle).

New Zealand: L Hohaia (NZ Warriors); S Perrett (Sydney Roosters), S Matai (Manly), J Sa'u (Newcastle), B Goodwin (Canterbury Bulldogs); B Marshall (Wests Tigers, capt), N Fien (St George Illawarra); J Lima (Melbourne), I Luke (South Sydney), F Moimoi (Parramatta), B Harrison (Canberra), F Pritchard (Penrith), A Blair (Melbourne).
Replacements: T Leuluai (Wigan), F-P Nuuausala (Sydney Roosters), I Soliola (Sydney Roosters), J Waerea-Hargreaves (Manly).
 

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What has Sheens done to the Lockyer/Thurston combo? These guys have worked well together at 6 and 7 for the past 4-5 years but now under Sheens they look like strangers.

Sheens said he was not resting Lockyer and Thurston because they needed to work more on their combinations, but they only played 35 minutes of poor football together before Thurston was replaced with Cronk, then came back on at the expense of Lockyer. Sometimes I think Sheens makes changes for the sake of it.

In the end it was Australia's fitness that won out, they didn't look like that much better of a side until the French were knackered. I think they overcomplicated it sometimes in attack. That sort of stuff is needed against other top sides because they read the plays better, but really the French defence is too simple to be sucked into making a misread when its all that complex and most of the time just stand still and ball watch and hit whatever comes at them, which negates a bunch of decoys running overs and unders behind the line.

Hayne is a tough one. Great flair from fullback (in the NRL at least, at this level he is unknown) but just making up numbers on the wing. I think Australia is gifted with world class options in every position, but unfortunately it seems we're not gifted with the ability to pick one with confidence and go with it. For the final, I'd go with:

1. Slater
2. Morris
3. Inglis
4. Hodges (if unfit Jennings)
5. Morris
6. Lockyer
7. Thurston
8. Hannant
9. Smith
10. Civoneceva
11. Hindmarsh
12. Gallen
13. Watmough
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14. White
15. Thaiday
16. Lewis
17. Gidley

It leaves Hayne out, but the Morris boys are actually outside backs. The bench only has one prop, and a soft one at that, but it was Lewis, Waterhouse or Shillington and the later 2 haven't been up to scratch for mine.

In the end its a bullsh!t squad to take on tour with the worst front row options of any Australian team in the last decade or more. Why we stacked our backline to go overseas and play sides who are top heavy I have no idea. Once again it will come down to big efforts from our backrow, individual brilliance from guys like Inglis and the Aussie's superior fitness.
 

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Nothing against the Morris boys, they are both good finishers, but I would go with Hayne on one wing and Jennings on the other, to me they seem to be the outstanding wing candidates.
 
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