2023 NRL Round 26 Newcastle Knights v Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks, 4:05PM Sunday 27th August @ McDonald Jones Stadium

HaroldBishop · Aug 27, 2023

CHOGM said:
Long term Trindall may not be the answer as our other half, but for now he’s what we have. Hopefully we get to play three more games this year with the seven on his back and he progresses next year.

He'll be fine. He's not ready to be the main guy which unfortunately he had to be today.

CHOGM · Aug 27, 2023

Proud Shark said:
This game really ****ing sucked. We were in it early, but didn't take our opportunities and build any pressure with possession.

Then the countless errors and penalties inviting us into our end. We reverted right back to where we were 5 weeks ago.

We are not a mentally tough side.

I agree we are a side of mild mannered guys at the moment. We’re missing that Maloney or Ennis edge. That cunning or mongrel that turns games. Either that or an X factor player that can make something out if nothing. Only Nicho can go that in our side.

sharksandwich · Aug 27, 2023

Sir Chadley said:
Look, today was disappointing for sure.

And we are not going to trouble any side in the top 4.

But at least I can console myself with the fact that I don’t support the Dragons, Tigers or Dogs.

As miserable as we all feel this evening, fans of those clubs would feel even more miserable.

Disagree.

If you support those teams you’ve given up hope a long time ago. They know they are **** and even a sniff of a win feels great.

Our team is the worst kind to follow. You know they can perform but it only happens 60% of the time. Good team just not good enough.

Proud Shark · Aug 27, 2023

sharksandwich said:
Disagree.

If you support those teams you’ve given up hope a long time ago. They know they are **** and even a sniff of a win feels great.

Our team is the worst kind to follow. You know they can perform but it only happens 60% of the time. Good team just not good enough.

Nah i can't agree with that. I get to enjoy watching us run up a few scores and spank some bottom feeders. Create some amazing attacking moments and have a few enjoyable days out at the footy in between. I'll take that 10 seasons out of 10 over getting the spoon then regressing the following year.

Yeah, I'd like to win it, but if we can make the finals in a year where we haven't performed that well, it's not the worst thing.

sharksandwich · Aug 27, 2023

Proud Shark said:
Nah i can't agree with that. I get to enjoy watching us run up a few scores and spank some bottom feeders. Create some amazing attacking moments and have a few enjoyable days out at the footy in between. I'll take that 10 seasons out of 10 over getting the spoon then regressing the following year.

Yeah, I'd like to win it, but if we can make the finals in a year where we haven't performed that well, it's not the worst thing.

Very good point. You are right, I do love the highs. But they do make the lows alot harder.

Proud Shark · Aug 27, 2023

sharksandwich said:
Very good point. You are right, I do love the highs. But they do make the lows alot harder.

I feel you l, but they are the kind of thing that made 2016 so sweet. That feeling might be a way off happening again, but in the meantime, don't forget to smell Nicho's rose scented shampoo.

Wiz · Aug 27, 2023

CHOGM said:
Fitz said in presser that, again, we didn’t put them under pressure and we made too many errors. It’s not about our team being inferior, it’s about game management and not making mistakes. Trindall managed the game beautifully last week. Not so much today. And he didn’t have any help today either. And we made mistakes today. We gave them the game.

Mate even with Hynes he played atrocious when partnered up with Moylan.

It’s very early in trickys career to be running games and kicking that much on his own, it’s only his 8th game as halfback this year ?

Him and Hynes do enough to help each other conserve energy and pick their moments, today it was literally 95/5 split, you know if Moylan was able to run then fair enough we can give him more credit but he offers nothing

Ain’t nobody ready for all that, have to be realistic

bort · Aug 27, 2023

CHOGM said:
Fitz said in presser that, again, we didn’t put them under pressure and we made too many errors. It’s not about our team being inferior, it’s about game management and not making mistakes. Trindall managed the game beautifully last week. Not so much today. And he didn’t have any help today either. And we made mistakes today. We gave them the game.

What makes you think he managed the game beautifully last week?

Fitz on Hynes last week: “He’s the spirit of the team.
He drove the team, kicked well, defended amazing, got asked plenty of questions and ripped in.

“He controlled the game plan and he’s developed even more as a half, so I was more proud of tonight’s performance from him than some other ones he’s had.”

Trindall supported Hynes but Hynes runs the show. This week when Trindall had a chance to step up he capitulated.
Yes, got bugger all help from Moylan, no denying that.

Deleted member 3365 · Aug 27, 2023

It's obvious that there are two different game plans for our halves.

When Moylan is starting in the halves, the other half does 95% of the work.

When it's Hynes and Trindall, load is shared with around the 60/40 mark with Hynes the majority.

Unfortunately Fitz doesn't really have a choice with a back up half, but might've banked too much on Moylan this year.

BurgoShark · Aug 27, 2023

mr.sharkiee said:
It's obvious that there are two different game plans for our halves.

When Moylan is starting in the halves, the other half does 95% of the work.

When it's Hynes and Trindall, load is shared with around the 60/40 mark with Hynes the majority.

Unfortunately Fitz doesn't really have a choice with a back up half, but might've banked too much on Moylan this year.

What work are you talking about? The kicking?

Talking and organising - we have NFI
Running - Moyza took a few strong runs. Gets rolled over for a slow ptb most times though
Shifts - imo the right side got a lot more clean ball than the left side

Didn’t see much in the way of long shifts involving both halves though. Was one or the other. Is that what you mean?

Capital_Shark · Aug 28, 2023

Wiz said:
We will be sweet, that game was reffed very harshly against us. Forwards need to step it up that was a step back this game, can’t win finals games at that level

That was a finals style game & we **** the bed under pressure. When it got to 12-6 with 30 to go we reverted to bad habits & played like we were 14 down with 10 to go. That rolled into the same old bullshit load of gifting them possession & position from errors & penalties that are responsible for almost all our losses.

D was much better but gave ourselves no chance once we lost our grind mind.

bort · Aug 28, 2023

BurgoShark said:
What work are you talking about? The kicking?

Talking and organising - we have NFI
Running - Moyza took a few strong runs. Gets rolled over for a slow ptb most times though
Shifts - imo the right side got a lot more clean ball than the left side

Didn’t see much in the way of long shifts involving both halves though. Was one or the other. Is that what you mean?

At the training I went to (very small sample size and also relatively early in Trindall being starter) Nicho told everyone what set they were doing, Nicho stopped training to reiterate something to group they were supposed to be focusing on

We’ve seen both Moylan and Trindall directing people around or setting up shapes in games but my sense is Hynes is organising the team. Once something is identified it is 13 blokes jobs to contribute to that in various ways and hopefully Trindall does a good job supporting his edge to do that

The Punisher · Aug 28, 2023

Is Puru top 30 this year?
Rather see him partner Trindell if Hynes is put again

BurgoShark · Aug 28, 2023

bort said:
At the training I went to (very small sample size and also relatively early in Trindall being starter) Nicho told everyone what set they were doing, Nicho stopped training to reiterate something to group they were supposed to be focusing on

We’ve seen both Moylan and Trindall directing people around or setting up shapes in games but my sense is Hynes is organising the team. Once something is identified it is 13 blokes jobs to contribute to that in various ways and hopefully Trindall does a good job supporting his edge to do that

I assume this is the case when Nicho plays.

I was responding to a post re: Trindall doing 95% of the work when Moylan plays. I don't actually know what "work" they are referring to.

Mr Ryan · Aug 28, 2023

sharksandwich said:
Disagree.

If you support those teams you’ve given up hope a long time ago. They know they are **** and even a sniff of a win feels great.

Our team is the worst kind to follow. You know they can perform but it only happens 60% of the time. Good team just not good enough.

Well the Sharks, Cowboys, Roosters, South’s and Parramatta have all dropped this season.

So maybe a small positive is that we can finish the highest of that group?

Sparkles · Aug 28, 2023

Proud Shark said:
Tricky tried too hard today and didn't respond to being the guy. He'll learn from it, but it will be good to have Nicho back.

Sums up most of the conversation around why Trindall might not have been fast tracked into the team over Moylan.

Fantastic ticker. One of the stronger defensive halves. A big boot on his day... He has all the makings of an excellent halfback.

Sharkfox · Aug 28, 2023

Knights defense was better, more energy, more effective tackles, tougher and agressive, chased harder, they scrambled, moved in numbers and put bodies on the line, the team wanted it more. We were good in first half, but then got complacent and defense slackened, falling off tackles, not putting players down straight away, putting arm out or jersey grabbing, we werent aggressive defensively which we have been last few weeks

Sparkles · Aug 28, 2023

sharksandwich said:
Disagree.

If you support those teams you’ve given up hope a long time ago. They know they are **** and even a sniff of a win feels great.

Our team is the worst kind to follow. You know they can perform but it only happens 60% of the time. Good team just not good enough.

I'd disagree with your disagree

Yesterday's game was exactly our ceiling over the past few seasons. If not for Ponga, the Knights would be a bottom 8 team and we would have dealt with then accordingly.

HaroldBishop · Aug 28, 2023

Sharkfox said:
Knights defense was better, more energy, more effective tackles, tougher and agressive, chased harder, they scrambled, moved in numbers and put bodies on the line, the team wanted it more. We were good in first half, but then got complacent and defense slackened, falling off tackles, not putting players down straight away, putting arm out or jersey grabbing, we werent aggressive defensively which we have been last few weeks

Don't think we got complacent at all. Defence in the first half was absolutely outstanding given they had 60% of the pill, a lot if that's attacking our line.

No team, not even Penrith, can keep gifting the opposition ball and keep that standard of defence going for 80 minutes.

Sharkfox · Aug 28, 2023

With Hynes out, they shouldve kept it more simple, put Moylan back at 6 on the left, Trindall on the right at 7, have both play their familiar roles. It looked like they tried to make Trindall play like Hynes, swapping sides with moylan in attack, then trying to do too much by going side to side. With Tracey in team better to play more direct and simple, both halves stick to their sides

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