Shane Flanagan

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I agree. The parramatta and Manly scandals were big news. Parr’s lost their points and manly haven’t been able to go into the player market since they got caught. That club will be fxxxed for years.

Bellamy might not have got in strife but there was no proof to pin him, but the club lost two premierships from the record books and they played a whole season for no points.

Also, I’ve got mates who support other teams and they reckon we always get off pretty lightly. The guys admitted to peptides got a handful of matches in a year we were already at the bottom of the table. Plus, Greenberg came out early when this story broke and said the infringement was minor. It always seems worse when it’s our team.
 
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I agree. The parramatta and Manly scandals were big news. Parr’s lost their points and manly haven’t been able to go into the player market since they got caught. That club will be fxxxed for years.

Bellamy might not have got in strife but there was no proof to pin him, but the club lost two premierships from the record books and they played a whole season for no points.

Also, I’ve got mates who support other teams and they reckon we always get off pretty lightly. The guys admitted to peptides got a handful of matches in a year we were already at the bottom of the table. Plus, Greenberg came out early when this story broke and said the infringement was minor. It always seems worse when it’s our team.
We didnt get off lightly with the asada investigation at all.

Flanno gone for a year
Sponsors walked
Huge fine ontop of our already crippling debt
The NRL could not issue the bans without asada. Our bans were all within the rules asada had set. 2 year bans which were halved due to admission. The players only missed a couple of matches due to the fact there was 9 months between when all players and the club had finished being interviewed and when the bans were given. They had to backdate them. There was no choice.
 

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Barry Russell shouldn’t of self reported, simple as that. I don’t blaim him for doing it, he obviously has integrity, however one should always be wary of the NRL’s want of a scapegoat to announce ever so loudly how great they are at uncovering cheats, and the media around this code is damn near militant.

Add that too the fact we have never been (and will never be) one of the cool kids that the NRL gives a pass too, we where always going to be hung out to dry, regardless of the results, 200k or 2k over, NRL and media won’t care. They can smell blood in the water (ironic no?).

Yep, also another director just resigned. That’s 3 now
 

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So IF Flanno gets cleared on Tuesday, is that the end of it for him?

Or does he only get cleared for 2014, and the uncertainty continues for the salary cap stuff?

The way I see it we can’t win next Tuesday - either our coach gets rubbed out or the circus continues into the new year.
 

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So IF Flanno gets cleared on Tuesday, is that the end of it for him?

Or does he only get cleared for 2014, and the uncertainty continues for the salary cap stuff?

The way I see it we can’t win next Tuesday - either our coach gets rubbed out or the circus continues into the new year.

NRL doesn't do timelines. 'New Year' is approx rnd 3
 

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According to Buzz in an article released not too long ago:

Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan is so disappointed about the integrity unit investigation into the Sharks, he has considered walking away from the game.He maintains he did nothing wrong and had zero influence on the coaching of the side while under suspension back in 2014.
Obviously, he had to plan for the following year. If his opinion was sought by then-chief executive Steve Noyce about players coming off contract, he would reply to emails.
What has upset Flanagan more than anything else is integrity unit investigators questioning members of his coaching staff recently about his work practices at the Sharks.
He has told friends he’s had enough of it.

Well if that is even partly true, can you blame the bloke for being sick of it? The NRL and the IU drag things out for so long that is it beyond laughable. I think it would do anyones head in.
 

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How valid is Cronulla's 2016 premiership?

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Were I a Melbourne Storm supporter, I’d be fuming at the apparent ‘kid gloves’ approach being taken towards the Cronulla Sharks.

Now, until a series of events play out, there’s no way of knowing what has happened and what the consequences will be for events that went down in the Shire over the past few years.

Maybe Shane Flanagan sent a few innocuous emails to mates at the club, enquiring after the health of their children, curious as to when pics from a recent holiday would be up on Insta (heaps likely).

Maybe these salary-cap rorting allegations will be found to be a case of accidental Excel. “No, we didn’t pay that bloke $311,015 – we paid him his regular salary on the 31st of October, 2015. Someone forgot to change the cell from ‘General’ to ‘Date’. Maureen, was this you again? Classic Maureen!”

And maybe all that really happened when Stephen Dank came to town was that he gave everyone some pep pills that were totally above board and there is – as we seem to keep being asked to believe – nothing to see here either.
Except we know there were things to see with that final aspect. Players were suspended – it was a weak-ass, back-dated suspension, but they still spent time on the sidelines – and Flanagan copped a 12-month ban for failing to properly oversee the governance of his side.

However, the coach apparently didn’t respect his ban and was allegedly in contact with the club during the year he was supposed to be persona non grata at Shark Park.

And Flanagan’s involvement with the club during his period in timeout was discovered because the NRL is in the process of delving into the Sharks’ salary cap issues – self-reported, lovely, but spanning both the 2015 and 2017 seasons.

As I said at the top, there’s no way of knowing how this all shakes out (well, except the part where the Sharks were on peptides back in the day, that bit we know for sure), but what if they’re all true?

What if Shane Flanagan completely disregarded his ban and had a hand in recruitment and retention at the club ahead of 2015?

And what if during 2015 and 2017, the club was secretly paying people under the table?

Put that on top of the fact a bunch of their players spent the 2011 season fuelled by banned substances, and you start to get a pretty rotten picture.

So the question I’m asking is: why do all reports on the issue keep saying the 2016 title is in no danger of being stripped?

A few months back, when news broke about the Sharks’ salary cap issues, I wrote about how the cap can’t be treated as a single-season prospect. You breach it in 2015, that means it has an effect on how things play out in 2016.

The same thing is true with recruitment and retention. It’s also the case for the use of performance-enhancing substances – in fact there’s a strong argument that those found guilty of using banned substances should be barred from professional sport for life, because that’s how long the benefits can last.

So let’s paint out a picture of the worst-case scenario.

A significant chunk of the team spend the 2011 season being administered banned substances.

As a result, the coach is banned from any involvement with the organisation for the 2014 season.

But he ignores that directive and oversees aspects of how the team will look for 2015 and beyond.

During that 2015 season, the club knowingly breaches the salary cap by way of false invoicing.

In 2016, the Sharks break one of the longest droughts in Australian sport by claiming their first premiership.

Then, in 2017, the club once again flouts the salary cap.

Now, I’m not saying the above is definitely what happened, but it’s certainly possible.

And if that is the way it all went down, do we honestly say that Cronulla’s 2016 grand final victory is fair and just?

I’ll leave Wade Graham and Paul Gallen’s suspensions for banned substances out of the argument because they did their time and they were fair participants in the 2016 decider.

But the coach may have ignored his sanctions to build the team that won that night.

And if the 2015 and ’17 salary caps are found to have been breached, well, are we honestly ready to say that the two years either side of their premiership year had zero bearing on the way Cronulla managed their 2016 cap?

I’m not saying the Sharks should have their premiership stripped. But if the worst-case scenario is the reality of the situation, why the hell do we keep hearing that their grand final win isn’t tainted? A club that was allegedly up to its neck in nefarious dealings from 2011 to 2017 just happened to be completely unimpeachable for one of those years? As if that year – the one that matters most – exists in a vacuum, impervious to all that happened around it?

The case against the Melbourne Storm was rock solid. They cheated and got the punishment they deserved as a result.

But if every wrongdoing that’s being levelled against Cronulla turns out to be true, surely questions need to be asked as to whether they deserve to keep their 2016 trophy.
 

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Stupid article. Storm beat us in the semi one year when they blatantly cheated the cap. We have more right to be filthy about that.
 

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According to Buzz in an article released not too long ago:



Well if that is even partly true, can you blame the bloke for being sick of it? The NRL and the IU drag things out for so long that is it beyond laughable. I think it would do anyones head in.

Because the media have been so understanding lately
 

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With all of the coaching alternatives being bandied about I'm surprised no one is mentioning me.
 
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