Your 2022 Sharks Line Up

[bort]

My point Bort re reserve grade was that he doesn't need to spend time there just to improve his game management (which was the original posters opinion).

If there are more deserving players to get the gig infront of Trindall (based on form and coaches opinion etc) than great so be it.

I assumed PS was referring to some of the reasoning behind Metcalf in 14 over Trindall.

I can see value in both options (14 vs cup) for Trindall.
Assuming Cup goes ahead 80 mins a week as the main man could be quite beneficial to him if he’s not starting in first grade and Metcalf maybe suits the utility role a bit better.
Def plenty of areas Trindall can still improve and I think some of them he arguably gets to work on more as a starting half in cup than a bench utility in NRL (especially as someone has to miss out).

Will be interesting to see how everything works out, at this stage looking like a good four way fight for three spots.

 

[apezza]

Yep the good thing is that we have options and people fighting for positions.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I like this. Metcalf has shown he is a gun, but let’s not rush him. This year will be a great introduction to what’s expected. What I don’t happen is he is kept at the 18th man not getting a game at all

Bit early to be calling him a gun.

 

[Proud Shark]

I assumed PS was referring to some of the reasoning behind Metcalf in 14 over Trindall.

I can see value in both options (14 vs cup) for Trindall.
Assuming Cup goes ahead 80 mins a week as the main man could be quite beneficial to him if he’s not starting in first grade and Metcalf maybe suits the utility role a bit better.
Def plenty of areas Trindall can still improve and I think some of them he arguably gets to work on more as a starting half in cup than a bench utility in NRL (especially as someone has to miss out).

Will be interesting to see how everything works out, at this stage looking like a good four way fight for three spots.

Yep you're spot on. I don't necessarily think Trindall needs reserve grade, but I think 80 mins there will benefit him more than Metcalf given the roll we assume Trindall is being groomed to play (a controlling 7). Also as the 14, Metcalf is a better option than both Trindall and Moylan, at least in my opinion.

 

[vicsharkfan]

Bit early to be calling him a gun.

Agree let’s just let play out…no pressure.
Remember Stapo or Gardners debut…

 

[Gumby]

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Ronnie
6. Hynes
7. Trindall
8. Frudolph
9. McInness
10. Hamlin-Uele
11. Wilton
12. Graham
13. Finucane

14. Brailey
15. Talakai
16. Williams
17. Metcalf

18. Moylan
19. Hunt
20. Nikora
21. Fifita


Brailey to come on in the 20th minute for one of our props pushing finucane to the front row and mcinness to lock. Then have your standard rotation after that. Metcalf can cover the backline and give us that impact in the second half.

 

[bort]

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Ronnie
6. Hynes
7. Trindall
8. Frudolph
9. McInness
10. Hamlin-Uele
11. Wilton
12. Graham
13. Finucane

14. Brailey
15. Talakai
16. Williams
17. Metcalf

18. Moylan
19. Hunt
20. Nikora
21. Fifita


Brailey to come on in the 20th minute for one of our props pushing finucane to the front row and mcinness to lock. Then have your standard rotation after that. Metcalf can cover the backline and give us that impact in the second half.

Where? Bringing him on for McInnes?
That makes sense to me just wondering if it is what you are thinking?

McInnes, provided he gets his full fitness back which he should, capable of playing 80 so if we need the hardnosed defender who helps organise in the middle more late in a game than the dynamic lightweight rookie are people gunna bitch and moan why put Metcalf on the bench if he only gets three minutes again?

 

[Deleted member 3365]

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Mulitalo
6. Hynes
7. Trindall
8. Rudolf
9. Brailey
10. Finucane
11. Talakai
12. Graham
13. McInnes (C)

14. Metcalf
15. Hunt
16. Williams
17. Hamlin-Uele

18. Wilton
19. Nikora
20. Moylan

I can't see where Moylan fits and I really wanted Wilton in somewhere. Nikora, just didn't cut it. I thought honestly to put Metcalf at centre instead of Tracey, which could promote Wilton to the bench.

 

[Wiz]

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Mulitalo
6. Hynes
7. Trindall
8. Rudolf
9. Brailey
10. Finucane
11. Talakai
12. Graham
13. McInnes (C)

14. Metcalf
15. Hunt
16. Williams
17. Hamlin-Uele

18. Wilton
19. Nikora
20. Moylan

I can't see where Moylan fits and I really wanted Wilton in somewhere. Nikora, just didn't cut it. I thought honestly to put Metcalf at centre instead of Tracey, which could promote Wilton to the bench.

x2

 

[HaroldBishop]

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Mulitalo
6. Hynes
7. Trindall
8. Rudolf
9. Brailey
10. Finucane
11. Talakai
12. Graham
13. McInnes (C)

14. Metcalf
15. Hunt
16. Williams
17. Hamlin-Uele

18. Wilton
19. Nikora
20. Moylan

I can't see where Moylan fits and I really wanted Wilton in somewhere. Nikora, just didn't cut it. I thought honestly to put Metcalf at centre instead of Tracey, which could promote Wilton to the bench.

Pretty good but I'd have Wilton in for Talakai.

 

[apezza]

So everyone is pretty similar apart from 1 or 2 players. What would we consider a pass mark (barring unforeseen injuries etc) for next year?

I would say top 6 a pass. Top 4 is a stretch considering there are some good sides out there:

1. Melbourne
2. Penrith
3. Manly
4. Souths
5. Roosters
6. Sharks
7. Parramatta

 

[bort]

I wouldn't think we'd just strip Wade of captaincy unless he asked for it. Probably go him and McInnes joint captains, Wade stays face of the club and McInnes does more of the onfield.
Wouldn't want McInnes to be face of the club.

So everyone is pretty similar apart from 1 or 2 players. What would we consider a pass mark (barring unforeseen injuries etc) for next year?

I would say top 6 a pass. Top 4 is a stretch considering there are some good sides out there:

1. Melbourne
2. Penrith
3. Manly
4. Souths
5. Roosters
6. Sharks
7. Parramatta

We were promised top 4!

But yes realistically anywhere under top 6 is probably a bit of a failure, unless maybe we were 7th but equal 4th or some **** like that.

 

[Deleted member 3365]

Pretty good but I'd have Wilton in for Talakai.

Tough one, or you take Tracey out and place Metcalf at centre, and use him like Penrith do with Matt Burton.

Then have an all forwards bench:
14. Wilton/Talakai
15. Hunt
16. Williams
17. Hamlin-Uele

 

[Blix]

I wouldn't think we'd just strip Wade of captaincy unless he asked for it. Probably go him and McInnes joint captains, Wade stays face of the club and McInnes does more of the onfield.
Wouldn't want McInnes to be face of the club.

Wade is no doubt a top bloke. But I don’t see any real leadership under him. He doesn’t have the Gal presence.

Has been out nearly 50% of the matches of the last 3 years and has really not performed well since his run of serious injuries.

Next year is a fresh start with new coach, new assistant coach and 3 quality new players. Of which 2 are captains. Would love to see a new captaincy given. To signify a changing of the guard.

Wade Graham is a top bloke but for mine is surviving on reputation alone.

 

[bort]

Wade is no doubt a top bloke. But I don’t see any real leadership under him. He doesn’t have the Gal presence.

Has been out nearly 50% of the matches of the last 3 years and has really not performed well since his run of serious injuries.

Next year is a fresh start with new coach, new assistant coach and 3 quality new players. Of which 2 are captains. Would love to see a new captaincy given. To signify a changing of the guard.

Wade Graham is a top bloke but for mine is surviving on reputation alone.

You're just referring to what you see though, which is not the entirety of Wade or of the captains duties. Maybe our second halves getting so **** is more lack of Wade's half time talks than low quality of Hannays?

Obviously on field captaincy is very important but he was anointed our captain in waiting extremely quickly he clearly has some qualities the Sharks are very keen on.

I think you also are just assuming sacking Wade as captain would just be worn by all without any issue but it quite possibly wouldn't sit well with Wade or some players or likely fans if McInnes failed to meet expectation onfield.

While I don't think the club will make leadership decisions based purely on % matches played I think you'd find McInnes doesn't score a hell of a lot better than Wade, 41 in last 3 years instead of Wades 40.

 

[Tiger Shark]

Pretty good but I'd have Wilton in for Talakai.

Same - think Talakai's future is bench middle impact but also cover for back row .. and centre if we're desperate.

Also because I think Wilton is better off starting and playing longer minutes rather than a bench player.

Also Hunt hasn't played enough footy to get a position in front of others imo. The off season might change that.

So bench of -

Metcalf/Moylan
Talakai
Williams
Uele

Reserves -

Hunt
Nikora
Pele
Tolman ?

I'm reticent to do any line ups for next year till our recruitment is done, but assuming we don't do any more. I do feel we've got more recruitment to go.

 

[Blix]

While I don't think the club will make leadership decisions based purely on % matches played I think you'd find McInnes doesn't score a hell of a lot better than Wade, 41 in last 3 years instead of Wades 40.

Mcinnes is coming off Dragons player of the year for last 2 years. Wade has been crueled by injury but on form would be lucky to hold his spot. Each to their own.....but I am really hoping for a fresh start.

 

[bort]

I'm reticent to do any line ups for next year till our recruitment is done, but assuming we don't do any more. I do feel we've got more recruitment to go.

Well currently we have 23 NRL players on the books for 2022 plus a handful of dev players and a train and trial player so there are quite a few spots we need to full before season starts.
Depending on further changes to this we need 28 on roster by March 1 but probably a few of those will be closer to that time so likely no more than 1 or 2 announcements any time soon.
Maybe some more train and trials once pre season is going to start.

Whether any will be notable signing or not (ie $$$) remains to be seen.

Mcinnes is coming off Dragons player of the year for last 2 years. Wade has been crueled by injury but on form would be lucky to hold his spot. Each to their own.....but I am really hoping for a fresh start.

Not really a fresh start if the old sacked captain who is popular amongst playing group is still there. Would have to be mutual which is why I think a joint effort is more likely.

 

[Tiger Shark]

So everyone is pretty similar apart from 1 or 2 players. What would we consider a pass mark (barring unforeseen injuries etc) for next year?

I would say top 6 a pass. Top 4 is a stretch considering there are some good sides out there:

1. Melbourne
2. Penrith
3. Manly
4. Souths
5. Roosters
6. Sharks
7. Parramatta

I think we need to be realistic on expectations next year. From our signings alone you'd expect improvement but with a new coach it might take some time.

My expectations are probably top 6 also, which is really only a few more wins than this year. Though we might take a while to get going in the season. Take time to learn new defensive structures etc.

Also who's spot are we going to take ?

Souths - no Bennet, Reynolds, Gagai, Sua will be weaker imo. prob not top 4
Melbourne - no Hynes, Finucane but will still be top 4
Penrith - no Burton, Capewell but will still be top 4
Roosters - Getting players back so back in top 4 contention you'd assume
Eels - Not sure of many roster changes. Will their fade continue to next year ?
Manly - Reliant on Turbo but you'd think there abouts again.

2023 is where I think we'll see the biggest improvement imo.

 

[Proud Shark]

I think we need to be realistic on expectations next year. From our signings alone you'd expect improvement but with a new coach it might take some time.

My expectations are probably top 6 also, which is really only a few more wins than this year. Though we might take a while to get going in the season. Take time to learn new defensive structures etc.

Also who's spot are we going to take ?

Souths - no Bennet, Reynolds, Gagai, Sua will be weaker imo. prob not top 4
Melbourne - no Hynes, Finucane but will still be top 4
Penrith - no Burton, Capewell but will still be top 4
Roosters - Getting players back so back in top 4 contention you'd assume
Eels - Not sure of many roster changes. Will their fade continue to next year ?
Manly - Reliant on Turbo but you'd think there abouts again.

2023 is where I think we'll see the biggest improvement imo.

My expectations would be that we challenge these teams more than we have this year and upset a few. That we defend better, reduce the missed tackles and offloads we concede too readily. That we turn up week to week with desire and looking like we want to be there/win. If we can do that, we have the cattle to perform well.

The finishing number is a bit more arbitrary as so many factors can go into that. Outside of Melbourne, just about every team is a key injury away from dropping 4-5 spots on the ladder minimum.

I agree that 2023 would be the goal to challenge for a title, if we can recruit well again next year.