Official Todd Carney

[DANGA HATCH]

Not a fan of Kent but I just watched the video. What part or point of what he said was incorrect? It all seemed on the money for me. TC is a di$&@ead! He has screwed us over now like he has two other clubs. His behaviour was intolerable and he has been punished accordingly. Any suggestion other than that is wrong. As for ASADA, there are more than Gallen and Graham still at the club, if they go down then about a 1/4 of our squad is affected. How is he wrong?

I am not dumb enough to suggest that guys of my generation ( I am mid 40s) would not have been guilty of doing stupid things. I certainly did my fair share. The difference was that the spotlight was never on us in the way it is now. The other difference is that when I was 28 I was being paid about $50k in a position of enormous responsibility to the community as a primary teacher. TC and others around being paid 15 times that amount, whether you like it or they like it, have an enormous responsibility to the code, the club and the community. They make a mistake like this then sorry, they deserve to lose their job as I would in my job for making that mistake.

When you have supported the club for as long as I have you have to take the good with the bad. There certainly has been a fair share being a supporter of this club. Many of the whiners on this forum have been supporting for about 10 years so I understand you have seen 10 turbulent years. I have always wanted us to give a blended youth and experience side a chance, maybe with T C sacking we can see that and get a little back to the way things were before Anderson and Stuart started killing this club.

 

[Gumby]

PAUL IS A KENT.... ENOUGH SAID ??? lol

 

[Bundy Shark]

PAUL IS A KENT.... ENOUGH SAID ??? lol

Ha ha.

 

[fitz]

I honestly didn't have a problem with what he was saying.

Yep, I agree... the game has got to clean up its image if it has any chance of surviving and Clubs, staff and players need to take responsibility for their actions.

The broadcasting rights released lots more money into the cap and we've seen a wage explosion and yet players seem to think that they're not accountable and in terms of responsibility it's always someone else's fault.

There will be a new regime brought in during November which will see all Clubs treated like franchises and it will be for the Clubs to meet benchmarks if they want to stay in the competition. If not... bye bye.

The NRL are livid with the sorts of dramas and nonsense it has had to deal with because of the stupidity of individuals and the Integrity Unit shouldn't be acting like a McDonalds drive-through having to deal incidents with players and officials who really should know better.

 

[sharkyboy]

I honestly didn't have a problem with what he was saying.

Yep, I agree... the game has got to clean up its image if it has any chance of surviving and Clubs, staff and players need to take responsibility for their actions.

The broadcasting rights released lots more money into the cap and we've seen a wage explosion and yet players seem to think that they're not accountable and in terms of responsibility it's always someone else's fault.

There will be a new regime brought in during November which will see all Clubs treated like franchises and it will be for the Clubs to meet benchmarks if they want to stay in the competition. If not... bye bye.

The NRL are livid with the sorts of dramas and nonsense it has had to deal with because of the stupidity of individuals and the Integrity Unit shouldn't be acting like a McDonalds drive-through having to deal incidents with players and officials who really should know better.

I agree.

 

[Beejay]

It's all about lowest common denominator stuff... with a particular emphasis on the word "common."

Just a load of puerile toilet humour and "boys club" rubbish. I agree with a post SF made in another thread that (should she ever wish to pursue it) Erin Molan would have a strong case for employer-sanctioned workplace sexual harassment.

The problem with Rugby League so often stems back to the way physically grown men seem to think it is acceptable to act like silly teenage boys. Grow the ^&*% up!

That's not just on the Footy Show or the NRL players but also at the very grassroots of the sport at the junior park footy. Seriously, who turns up to watch their fat, rat-tailed kid play in the U/8s banging on a fag and downing a longneck and barking out abuse. Or punching on with some opposition's parent in the carpark.

The mass boganisation of Australian culture is largely to blame too. It beggars belief how many people take pride in being ignorant and stupid.

The shame is that we're progressively heading towards the normalisation of these sorts of behaviours, in acceptance of stupidity and the promotion of thoughtlessness.

For further information, please see http://www.boomerangbooks.com.au/Boganomics/E-Chas-McSween/book_9780733626708.htm

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Not a fan of Kent but I just watched the video. What part or point of what he said was incorrect? It all seemed on the money for me. TC is a di$&@ead! He has screwed us over now like he has two other clubs. His behaviour was intolerable and he has been punished accordingly. Any suggestion other than that is wrong. As for ASADA, there are more than Gallen and Graham still at the club, if they go down then about a 1/4 of our squad is affected. How is he wrong?

I am not dumb enough to suggest that guys of my generation ( I am mid 40s) would not have been guilty of doing stupid things. I certainly did my fair share. The difference was that the spotlight was never on us in the way it is now. The other difference is that when I was 28 I was being paid about $50k in a position of enormous responsibility to the community as a primary teacher. TC and others around being paid 15 times that amount, whether you like it or they like it, have an enormous responsibility to the code, the club and the community. They make a mistake like this then sorry, they deserve to lose their job as I would in my job for making that mistake.

When you have supported the club for as long as I have you have to take the good with the bad. There certainly has been a fair share being a supporter of this club. Many of the whiners on this forum have been supporting for about 10 years so I understand you have seen 10 turbulent years. I have always wanted us to give a blended youth and experience side a chance, maybe with T C sacking we can see that and get a little back to the way things were before Anderson and Stuart started killing this club.

We have 10 weeks to go. I doubt a suspension will be handed down before then.
Gallen
Graham
Morris (retiring)
Toupo
Gardner

Vave was here but not sure he was part of the squad at that point.

So lets say 4 players (3 if gardner leaves). Dunno what part of 1/4 of the club 3 is

 

[Sir Chadley]

I honestly didn't have a problem with what he was saying.

Yep, I agree... the game has got to clean up its image if it has any chance of surviving and Clubs, staff and players need to take responsibility for their actions.

The broadcasting rights released lots more money into the cap and we've seen a wage explosion and yet players seem to think that they're not accountable and in terms of responsibility it's always someone else's fault.

There will be a new regime brought in during November which will see all Clubs treated like franchises and it will be for the Clubs to meet benchmarks if they want to stay in the competition. If not... bye bye.

The NRL are livid with the sorts of dramas and nonsense it has had to deal with because of the stupidity of individuals and the Integrity Unit shouldn't be acting like a McDonalds drive-through having to deal incidents with players and officials who really should know better.

This is unfortunately a big part of the modern day ideal.

 

[DeathMoth]

As I was trawling through Reddit today, I found a few bits about NHL player Claude Giroux (pretty much the marquee player in Philly) getting arrested yesterday for repeatedly grabbing a male cop's arse and spending the night in the slammer. There are photos getting around about it. Did he get sacked? No. He's making a sizable donation to a charity and the club is moving on towards their goal: the cup. The club hasn't got involved in the media bull****, they've remained fairly tight lipped about it.

That could be a lesson here for the Sharks. Maybe in future the Sharks could shut their ****ing mouths instead of being lured into the negative media trap. The media want us to come out and make big statements, they want us to take drastic action against players - that makes a story. The more drastic, the longer they can string out the whole debacle in the papers.

With that in mind, how hard would it have been for Noyce to come out and say "We are aware that Carney has made a mistake and it reflects poorly on himself, the club and the game. We have met with Todd and he has agreed to make a sizeable donation to Charity X and undergo counselling for blah blah. Todd has disgraced himself in the past but we are committed to assisting Todd in overcoming his issues so that he continue to be a valuable asset to the team. We will be making no further comments about this incident. Thank you and **** off."

Job done.

 

[Sir Chadley]

As I was trawling through Reddit today, I found a few bits about NHL player Claude Giroux (pretty much the marquee player in Philly) getting arrested yesterday for repeatedly grabbing a male cop's arse and spending the night in the slammer. There are photos getting around about it. Did he get sacked? No. He's making a sizable donation to a charity and the club is moving on towards their goal: the cup. The club hasn't got involved in the media bull****, they've remained fairly tight lipped about it.

That could be a lesson here for the Sharks. Maybe in future the Sharks could shut their ****ing mouths instead of being lured into the negative media trap. The media want us to come out and make big statements, they want us to take drastic action against players - that makes a story. The more drastic, the longer they can string out the whole debacle in the papers.

With that in mind, how hard would it have been for Noyce to come out and say "We are aware that Carney has made a mistake and it reflects poorly on himself, the club and the game. We have met with Todd and he has agreed to make a sizeable donation to Charity X and undergo counselling for blah blah. Todd has disgraced himself in the past but we are committed to assisting Todd in overcoming his issues so that he continue to be a valuable asset to the team. We will be making no further comments about this incident. Thank you and **** off."

Job done.

Who votes DeathMoth as the next Sharks CEO?

 

[slide rule]

the media would have made a MASSIVE story about it no matter what we did. The photo is VERY graphic, VERY embarrassing and VERY newsworthy to them. They get a lot of kilometres out of this type of story.

If we didn't sack him they would have been calling for his head very loudly. We would have had a heap of mothers and fathers on ACA telling us that they will never let their kid play League and blah blah blah blah.

The club would have been seen as weak and would have further intrenched the "basket case" label.

It was going to be bad no matter what happened.

 

[DeathMoth]

Who votes DeathMoth as the next Sharks CEO?

 

[DeathMoth]

the media would have made a MASSIVE story about it no matter what we did. The photo is VERY graphic, VERY embarrassing and VERY newsworthy to them. They get a lot of kilometres out of this type of story.

If we didn't sack him they would have been calling for his head very loudly. We would have had a heap of mothers and fathers on ACA telling us that they will never let their kid play League and blah blah blah blah.

The club would have been seen as weak and would have further intrenched the "basket case" label.

It was going to be bad no matter what happened.

Yeah, but Noyce runs our team A Current A-****ing-ffair

 

[stormshark]

Who votes DeathMoth as the next Sharks CEO?

Nice sentiments... but , the reality is "Theres a new Sherrif in town/Coming". I think that since the Tepid Andrew/Matt Johns player support the majority of the NRL world inc Ex Players have reflected some sort of line in the sand. If the NRL doesnt lift or be seen to lift standards it will die off as the rusted on diehearts like us (who will follow whatever happens), fade away. New supporters or those to be attracted away from other sports won't Cop the recent Past behaviour anymore.Ex players(Who are hugely influential media wise,) don't want to be associated with it, even though they probably did worse in Private.

 

[vicsharkfan]

Whilst angry with toddy and what has transpired, as long as this is the line in the sand moment with the NRL and player behaviour I can live with it... We shall wait and see

 

[CrazyMatt]

As I was trawling through Reddit today, I found a few bits about NHL player Claude Giroux (pretty much the marquee player in Philly) getting arrested yesterday for repeatedly grabbing a male cop's arse and spending the night in the slammer. There are photos getting around about it. Did he get sacked? No. He's making a sizable donation to a charity and the club is moving on towards their goal: the cup. The club hasn't got involved in the media bull****, they've remained fairly tight lipped about it.

That could be a lesson here for the Sharks. Maybe in future the Sharks could shut their ****ing mouths instead of being lured into the negative media trap. The media want us to come out and make big statements, they want us to take drastic action against players - that makes a story. The more drastic, the longer they can string out the whole debacle in the papers.

With that in mind, how hard would it have been for Noyce to come out and say "We are aware that Carney has made a mistake and it reflects poorly on himself, the club and the game. We have met with Todd and he has agreed to make a sizeable donation to Charity X and undergo counselling for blah blah. Todd has disgraced himself in the past but we are committed to assisting Todd in overcoming his issues so that he continue to be a valuable asset to the team. We will be making no further comments about this incident. Thank you and **** off."

Job done.

I agree, only if it's the same for any other member in our squad. No double standards bull****, that sickens me.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Who votes DeathMoth as the next Sharks CEO?

Not me. He'd close us down and start an ice hockey team

 

[hitman124]

Shouldn't Storm be trying as hard as they can to get Toddy?

That would be the greatest spine I could imagine.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Shouldn't Storm be trying as hard as they can to get Toddy?

That would be the greatest spine I could imagine.

I think if any club went for him it would be them.
Its funny todd being so well known and sacked from 3 clubs the papers wrote he wont play nrl again. They also wrote a piece on taumata getting another go. The bloke who could have started hisown black market of hill billy heroin with his stolen prescription pad

 

[DeathMoth]

I agree, only if it's the same for any other member in our squad. No double standards bull****, that sickens me.

My point is that the Sharks are notorious for giving the media ammo. Time after time. Watch how other clubs deal with things, or how it's done in other sports. Clubs cannot bow to the pressures of a muckraking media. They must be in control. They must accept that at times there will be negative press however it is not in the interest of an organisation to act out of fear of media repercussions. As I've said before, a sporting team is in the business of winning first and foremost because winning has a flow-on effect that eventually leads to money.

I believe that in this instance Noyce has acted out of fear of the impending media repercussions, not out of what is best for the future of the club in terms of winning and hence making money.

There is a chance with most negative occurrences to turn it, somehow, into a positive. In this instance, they could've made Carney pay up a hefty fine to a charity that people care about, maybe something to do with women or children. And then get him on every damned footy show in the country fessing up, accepting full responsibility, saying that he is disappointed in himself, isn't expecting people to pity him and that he is (again?) working through counselling so that he can focus on playing good footy and being a good role model (i hate that footy players are meant to be role models, parents are meant to be role models). ****, even get him to run talks with up and coming players about the dangers of being a moron when under such intense scrutiny. Make a positive story out of it for ****s sake. If this is a business, this is Sales 101!

Instead, Noyce turned a negative into a bigger negative by straight up sacking the ****, under circumstances that have pissed off the team, the coach and drawn criticism from many commentators which leads, yet again, to the conclusion that the Sharks are all ****ed up. Poor management by someone who should know better.