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Too many errors in his game.

this is a real odd take

he made one error in the game against the warriors and has made 12 this year in 20 appearances, last year he had 8 in 20

that gives him 20 in 40 and an average at 0.5 per game

i get he isnt in good form at the moment and his defence is real ordinary, but if 0.5 is too many errors then you are a hard marker
 
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this is a real odd take

he made one error in the game against the warriors and has made 12 this year in 20 appearances, last year he had 8 in 20

that gives him 20 in 40 and an average at 0.5 per game

i get he isnt in good form at the moment and his defence is real ordinary, but if 0.5 is too many errors then you are a hard marker

An Error for me includes defensive errors, missed tackles, penalties and giving away 6 agains. Not just handling errors.

Basically anything that costs us or puts us under more pressure due to the action.
That’s how I look at it anyway (rightly or wrongly).

I think those stats only take handling errors into consideration (Maybe also penalties)???
 

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penalties are a different category all together and he has only given 6 away this year, and 4 last year - so 0.25 a game

missed tackles aren't errors, and this is an area of his game he needs to improve
 
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penalties are a different category all together and he has only given 6 away this year, and 4 last year - so 0.25 a game

missed tackles aren't errors, and this is an area of his game he needs to improve

Fair call.
If we categories them then my terminology is wrong but I count anything that places the team under pressure in the one bucket.
Maybe I should have quoted “mistakes” rather than “errors”, but for me it’s still something that puts pressure on the side be it a dropped ball, penalty, missed tackle, 6 again against us etc and this is what we need less of collectively from him.
 

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Fair call.
If we categories them then my terminology is wrong but I count anything that places the team under pressure in the one bucket.
Maybe I should have quoted “mistakes” rather than “errors”, but for me it’s still something that puts pressure on the side be it a dropped ball, penalty, missed tackle, 6 again against us etc and this is what we need less of collectively from him.

With you in that it is a collective issue with him.
I agree that an error or penalty 3 out of every 4 games is too high if he also wants to be the leagues worst (forward) defender. Halve the amount of missed tackles and .75 error/penalty rate seems pretty decent for a forward.

Incredibly our team actually makes the 3rd least amount of errors and concedes the 5th least penalties.
Being top in missed tackles (by a decent margin) and 2nd in ineffective tackles more than makes up for that though.
 
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Whilst I don’t like the errors (all types, as indicated by WS above posts) I can cop them to a degree cause he has effort, we have too many blokes in our team who makes these ‘errors’ cause they are lazy arses & minimal care factor, that, I can’t cop.
 

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Had to share this. Sorry Egg.
The story is on Chambers, the insurer stuff about actually being a great bloke, but this from Toby struck me...

Meanwhile, Rudolf - who is nothing if not refreshingly honest and entertaining - described his own recent output as "rubbish".

"I've been watching old tapes and seeing what's changed from the start of the year to this point of the year. Still sort of yet to talk to the coaches about how I can improve my form."

I guess if you're coach is Hannay he would be your last option...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/08/11/sharks-stand-by-good-bloke-chambers-in-war-of-words/
 

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Had to share this. Sorry Egg.
The story is on Chambers, the insurer stuff about actually being a great bloke, but this from Toby struck me...

Meanwhile, Rudolf - who is nothing if not refreshingly honest and entertaining - described his own recent output as "rubbish".

"I've been watching old tapes and seeing what's changed from the start of the year to this point of the year. Still sort of yet to talk to the coaches about how I can improve my form."

I guess if you're coach is Hannay he would be your last option...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/08/11/sharks-stand-by-good-bloke-chambers-in-war-of-words/

That blows my mind.. let’s hope the damage Hannay does doesn’t leak into the next year of these players careers
 

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Yeah hardly inspiring, is it.

I know being an AC is very different to HC, but if this is Hannay's attitude then hopefully he's only signed on as AC for one year.
 
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Had to share this. Sorry Egg.
The story is on Chambers, the insurer stuff about actually being a great bloke, but this from Toby struck me...

Meanwhile, Rudolf - who is nothing if not refreshingly honest and entertaining - described his own recent output as "rubbish".

"I've been watching old tapes and seeing what's changed from the start of the year to this point of the year. Still sort of yet to talk to the coaches about how I can improve my form."

I guess if you're coach is Hannay he would be your last option...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/08/11/sharks-stand-by-good-bloke-chambers-in-war-of-words/

That is so disappointing.

I wonder if the board themselves have privately given up on this year as well.
 
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Whilst we have been awful, and Toby's defence is awful, you just have to think that can't be completely accurate. How in this age of professional sport could a coaching staff not address form of individuals. I can't wrap my head around it being true to that degree.
 

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Yeah hardly inspiring, is it.

I know being an AC is very different to HC, but if this is Hannay's attitude then hopefully he's only signed on as AC for one year.

Whilst we have been awful, and Toby's defence is awful, you just have to think that can't be completely accurate. How in this age of professional sport could a coaching staff not address form of individuals. I can't wrap my head around it being true to that degree.

You'd think, especially given the bubble situation, HC would find time to sit down and have a chat with each player and discuss their form, both from their perspective and his.

In saying that also Rudolf is a grown ass man if he wants to have a chat to Hannay he is also perfectly capable of organising that, and probably now that the interview pushed him to say it out loud they will have a chat.

For all we know Hannay regularly throws out an open invitation for anyone who wants to have a more indepth chat about how they are playing with the hope players will take feedback better if they seek it rather than if they have it pushed on them as criticism.

I guess you'd still hope if Hannay had any ideas about how Rudolf could play better he wouldn't hesitate to provide them, my suggestion of just tackle better seems a bit broad... as he was brought in as defensive coach you'd think he could narrow it down a bit more than that.
Maybe he hasn't figured it out yet. Can imagine it'd be tough for a rookie HC to call someone aside to discuss their form when you don't really have anything constructive for them.

I remember Fifita sooked that Bomber hadn't given him any feedback over preseason. In that case my perspective is the other side of that story wasn't too much of a mystery.... he was a 10+ year player with multiple rep games, pre season KPIs he would have agreed on and had come in massively overweight and my feeling is in that circumstance there is not really any feedback you should need from the coach. He just wanted his ego stroked for losing the weight his fat undisciplined arse put on in the first place and I can't really blame Bomber for not doing that.

This comment is slightly defensive of the situation in that I think maybe it is more of a lack of experience and expertise than necessarily and attitude issue from Hannay, but who actually knows. All we know is Rudolf is saying he wants more help and he hasn't asked for it until now, so hopefully it can now be provided.
Also I guess remember Hannay was never appointed as HC because anyone thought he would do a good job of it, it was just the easiest solution as a placeholder between Bomber and Fitz.
 

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You'd think, especially given the bubble situation, HC would find time to sit down and have a chat with each player and discuss their form, both from their perspective and his.

In saying that also Rudolf is a grown ass man if he wants to have a chat to Hannay he is also perfectly capable of organising that, and probably now that the interview pushed him to say it out loud they will have a chat.

For all we know Hannay regularly throws out an open invitation for anyone who wants to have a more indepth chat about how they are playing with the hope players will take feedback better if they seek it rather than if they have it pushed on them as criticism.

I guess you'd still hope if Hannay had any ideas about how Rudolf could play better he wouldn't hesitate to provide them, my suggestion of just tackle better seems a bit broad... as he was brought in as defensive coach you'd think he could narrow it down a bit more than that.
Maybe he hasn't figured it out yet. Can imagine it'd be tough for a rookie HC to call someone aside to discuss their form when you don't really have anything constructive for them.

I remember Fifita sooked that Bomber hadn't given him any feedback over preseason. In that case my perspective is the other side of that story wasn't too much of a mystery.... he was a 10+ year player with multiple rep games, pre season KPIs he would have agreed on and had come in massively overweight and my feeling is in that circumstance there is not really any feedback you should need from the coach. He just wanted his ego stroked for losing the weight his fat undisciplined arse put on in the first place and I can't really blame Bomber for not doing that.

This comment is slightly defensive of the situation in that I think maybe it is more of a lack of experience and expertise than necessarily and attitude issue from Hannay, but who actually knows. All we know is Rudolf is saying he wants more help and he hasn't asked for it until now, so hopefully it can now be provided.

I'll just deal with this bit as it's within the five line tolerance.....

I think a HC needs to be proactive in most instances rather than waiting for a player to come to him. Agree though that you'd hope players are comfortable going in for a chat off their own bat.
 

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Had to share this. Sorry Egg.
The story is on Chambers, the insurer stuff about actually being a great bloke, but this from Toby struck me...

Meanwhile, Rudolf - who is nothing if not refreshingly honest and entertaining - described his own recent output as "rubbish".

"I've been watching old tapes and seeing what's changed from the start of the year to this point of the year. Still sort of yet to talk to the coaches about how I can improve my form."

I guess if you're coach is Hannay he would be your last option...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/08/11/sharks-stand-by-good-bloke-chambers-in-war-of-words/

This is the sort of **** I mean when I was saying Hannay is doing long term damage to these players and the club. All he is doing is making Fitz job harder to fix things.
 

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This is the sort of **** I mean when I was saying Hannay is doing long term damage to these players and the club. All he is doing is making Fitz job harder to fix things.

no he is going to make Fitz look like an absolute genius and a rebuild king

prob a condition of Hannah staying on as AC was to be as incompetent as possible during 2021 but he is starting to over achieve so much in this space it's looking suspicious. poor bloke is just being himself :p

if we can almost make the 8 with Hannay imagine what we can achieve with a coach that has a clue and players that want to put in the work
 

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I'll just deal with this bit as it's within the five line tolerance.....

I think a HC needs to be proactive in most instances rather than waiting for a player to come to him. Agree though that you'd hope players are comfortable going in for a chat off their own bat.

Tough to proactively criticise someone's form if you can't help provide any answers though, whether or not Hannay would have any ideas I don't know

"Hey Toby the reason I called you aside, you haven't really been playing up to your own personal standard and ability lately"
"Oh man, I thought this might come, I've been thinking the exact same thing, how do I fix it coach?"
"Thanks for coming in mate, see you later"

5th line
 

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Toby: I need some advice, coach. I'm not sure my performances have been to to scratch lately.
Hannay: sure mate, what do you need?
Toby: should I use ning-nong or Derrick in media interviews? My role as media larrikin hasn't been great recently and I need to step it up
Hannay: dunno... Go with both Tobes. Good talk
 
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