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Played the worst game I’ve ever seen from an nrl player this season. Can’t remember who it was against but my god he was awful
Final round v Dogs. Played fullback.

Hardly a death nell though. Wasn’t any worse than Ronnie’s debut or some of Kennedy’s earlier games. Ramien also had an early game where they ran 3 tries through him.
 
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Is a major cock up to let Metcalf go. What makes it worse is keeping Moylan. Was perfect opportunity to get rid of him, he is just excess baggage, his contract was up, move on from him and keep someone like Metcalf instead, Moylan has been garbage for us.
 

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Is a major cock up to let Metcalf go. What makes it worse is keeping Moylan. Was perfect opportunity to get rid of him, he is just excess baggage, his contract was up, move on from him and keep someone like Metcalf instead, Moylan has been garbage for us.
Don't know if he's been garbage but I agree with what you're saying about re-signing him, completely unnecessary and a stupid decision.

Way too disruptive to the team with the amount of injuries. Also beyond me how you can have a half that can't run or do a clearing kick.
 
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Moylan was probably a safety net signing, but I rather Metcalf take that utility spot.
 

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Metcalf signing away in 2023 has 3 fifths of **** all to do with us re-signing Moylan for 2022.
Moylan wont be here in 2023, if Metcalf backed himself, he could easily sign with is for 2 years.
He has a better shot at starting for the Warriors than he does with us.
 

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Metcalf signing away in 2023 has 3 fifths of **** all to do with us re-signing Moylan for 2022.
Moylan wont be here in 2023, if Metcalf backed himself, he could easily sign with is for 2 years.
He has a better shot at starting for the Warriors than he does with us.
Has he actually signed tho
 

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Metcalf signing away in 2023 has 3 fifths of **** all to do with us re-signing Moylan for 2022.
Moylan wont be here in 2023, if Metcalf backed himself, he could easily sign with is for 2 years.
He has a better shot at starting for the Warriors than he does with us.
You don't know that.
 

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You don't know that.
You gunna quote other posts on here saying it is because of re-signing Moylan and write the same thing?

I agree with Snowy, Metcalf was extremely long odds to be a starter this year but likely gets a few more games this season without Moylan.
Neither is signed for next year though and he could have backed himself to take the opportunity.

While I suspect he'd probably rather Moylan wasn't here another year ahead of him he is signed this coming season regardless so he shouldn't let it dictate his 2023.

He's just as likely looking at SJ being 33 and perhaps on the way out (2023 last year of contract) vs Hynes being here at 27 (and signed in 2024) with a spot locked down.
If anything it says to me he doesn't back himself to beat out Trindall.
NZ also have Kodi next year who wants to stay in Qld (I think?) so unlikely to extend and CHT also not currently signed past this year.
Doubtful SJ played zero part in the signing also.

Metcalf has taken a (presumably) well paying offer that looks like an easy route to first grade and I think probably does that whether we have Moylan this year or not.
 

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You gunna quote other posts on here saying it is because of re-signing Moylan and write the same thing?

I agree with Snowy, Metcalf was extremely long odds to be a starter this year but likely gets a few more games this season without Moylan.
Neither is signed for next year though and he could have backed himself to take the opportunity.

While I suspect he'd probably rather Moylan wasn't here another year ahead of him he is signed this coming season regardless so he shouldn't let it dictate his 2023.

He's just as likely looking at SJ being 33 and perhaps on the way out (2023 last year of contract) vs Hynes being here at 27 (and signed in 2024) with a spot locked down.
If anything it says to me he doesn't back himself to beat out Trindall.
NZ also have Kodi next year who wants to stay in Qld (I think?) so unlikely to extend and CHT also not currently signed past this year.
Doubtful SJ played zero part in the signing also.

Metcalf has taken a (presumably) well paying offer that looks like an easy route to first grade and I think probably does that whether we have Moylan this year or not.
Couldve easily upgraded his contract (a little) this year and extend his contract for one more year up until next to keep him and see how it progresses (without Moylan). Moylan is definitely in the way

With Moylans money there is no money to upgrade Metcalfs contract this year to give him an incentive to stay until next year too as a whole package. Moylan staying means there is also another player in Metcalfs way especially when the new coach comes out and says he prefers Moylan to start.
 

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You gunna quote other posts on here saying it is because of re-signing Moylan and write the same thing?

I agree with Snowy, Metcalf was extremely long odds to be a starter this year but likely gets a few more games this season without Moylan.
Neither is signed for next year though and he could have backed himself to take the opportunity.

While I suspect he'd probably rather Moylan wasn't here another year ahead of him he is signed this coming season regardless so he shouldn't let it dictate his 2023.

He's just as likely looking at SJ being 33 and perhaps on the way out (2023 last year of contract) vs Hynes being here at 27 (and signed in 2024) with a spot locked down.
If anything it says to me he doesn't back himself to beat out Trindall.
NZ also have Kodi next year who wants to stay in Qld (I think?) so unlikely to extend and CHT also not currently signed past this year.
Doubtful SJ played zero part in the signing also.

Metcalf has taken a (presumably) well paying offer that looks like an easy route to first grade and I think probably does that whether we have Moylan this year or not.
Not sure what you're on about. You or Snowman have no idea whether or not the re-signing of Moylan contributed to him leaving.
 

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Couldve easily upgraded his contract (a little) this year and extend his contract for one more year up until next to keep him and see how it progresses (without Moylan). Moylan is definitely in the way

With Moylans money there is no money to upgrade Metcalfs contract this year to give him an incentive to stay until next year too as a whole package. Moylan staying means there is also another player in Metcalfs way especially when the new coach comes out and says he prefers Moylan to start.
I doubt he takes a minor bump and extension through 2023 if he doesn't think he can get past Trindall though, which I feel there is some evidence is the case.

I don't agree with the re-signing of Moylan, I do agree with Fitz if he prefers Moylan to start though over Metcalf. I think starting is likely a battle between Moylan and Trindall. Not sold either Fitz would be looking to start the season with Metcalf as a 14 option whether Moylan was around or not, possible he could force that over preseason, but at point he has signed elsewhere (now) I think it is a fair way off.

Whilst it is easy to say from the outside just upgrade the guy and maybe extend him to make sure we keep him I don't really think one of the first things Fitz does in the job is cave to any demands from a 6 game 22 year old with dodgy knees who hasn't even done a day of preseason with him yet.
If I was Fitz I'd be pushing him to make a case for himself over preseason and start of season before I want to discuss contract extensions/upgrades and if he signs elsewhere this early then so be it.

Moylan or no Moylan I think it is a weird time for Metcalf to make a call on 2023 unless he feels very strongly he isn't going to be in our plans come that year.

Not sure what you're on about. You or Snowman have no idea whether or not the re-signing of Moylan contributed to him leaving.
True, just like those who think re-signing Moylan did contribute to his leaving also have no idea. You read Wizard declaring 'I blame this on us signing Moylan' and liked his post but when snowman said the opposite you felt the need to specify he doesn't know that. None of us know ****all we are all just guestimating based on different factors and different opinions. I was just wondering why you were declaring one half of the conversation an uneducated guess when the other is based on just as little.
 

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True, just like those who think re-signing Moylan did contribute to his leaving also have no idea. You read Wizard declaring 'I blame this on us signing Moylan' and liked his post but when snowman said the opposite you felt the need to specify he doesn't know that. None of us know ****all we are all just guestimating based on different factors and different opinions. I was just wondering why you were declaring one half of the conversation an uneducated guess when the other is based on just as little.
Fair call. I think it's more likely it did contribute rather than not though.
 

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Fair call. I think it's more likely it did contribute rather than not though.
I think he is probably annoyed by it but am guessing he is not basing his whole career trajectory on a slight for this season which happens regardless.
I think he must be thinking 2023 he isn't getting in front of Hynes and Trindall or otherwise he might be better off letting things for 2022 unfold a bit more before making a decision.

If he wants to try and force a release they can make it worth it for us but he doesn't go to a much better situation there, he is just getting there earlier.

Even if we didn't keep Moylan if it got a couple months into the season and he had locked down a 14 jersey with us he probably still looks to leave, we just have better info about how much of a loss he is or isn't. I think he is chasing a 2023 start as more of a priority than being choice 4 rather than 3 this year (and probably staying choice 3 in 2023).

For all we know he is looking over his shoulder at Rivett too thinking he will be in legit contention come 2023. That comment is very much wishful thinking though as I def don't know enough about Rivett to confidently suggest that could be a factor.
 

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Couldve easily upgraded his contract (a little) this year and extend his contract for one more year up until next to keep him and see how it progresses (without Moylan). Moylan is definitely in the way

With Moylans money there is no money to upgrade Metcalfs contract this year to give him an incentive to stay until next year too as a whole package. Moylan staying means there is also another player in Metcalfs way especially when the new coach comes out and says he prefers Moylan to start.
His contract was upgraded. He went from Development to top 30.
He and Moylan are both off contract. Moylan wont be here in 2023.
Metcalf would be offered a contract.
He is looking out for where he will get the best crack at firsts
 

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His contract was upgraded. He went from Development to top 30.
He and Moylan are both off contract. Moylan wont be here in 2023.
Metcalf would be offered a contract.
He is looking out for where he will get the best crack at firsts
As doubful as it is, why wouldn't he be with us in 2023 if he plays almost every game and shoots the lights out?
 
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