(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[Deleted member 3365]

Besides the steroids, what are his other ******** incidents?

 

[Shortfin Mako]

His stereoids incident was not accidental or some supplement having this substance.

As far as I know, it was a concious decision to take stereoids by him. I do not know him or his personality but his behaviour after everything surfaced was not the best. Therefore, I question, whether he learnt anything from this ordeal or if he just learnt to "mask" it better?

If it is the latter, do we want such a guy around our youngsters?

 

[Sir Chadley]

Look, I’d love to have him back fully fit and in form.

But, he knowingly took the steroids, tried to mask it and tried to deny it so the club would keep paying him.

It looks like he’s not in a great crowd and is easily influenced by others so not sure the attitude will change.

I think even if Fitz was ok with him, I don’t think the club would want him back.

 

[Western Sharkie]

His stereoids incident was not accidental or some supplement having this substance.

As far as I know, it was a concious decision to take o stereoids by him. I do not know him or his personality but his behaviour after everything surfaced was not the best. Therefore, I question, whether he learnt anything from this ordeal or if he just learnt to "mask" it better?

If it is the latter, do we want such a guy around our youngsters?

I get it. He alone ****ed up, badly. It’s all on his head.
But I do think everyone deserves another chance to make things right IF they are willing to take full ownership and responsibility of their actions (mistakes) and work hard to EARN that 2nd chance.

So I’m happy to go after him if he is willing to put the hard yards in, come through the Jets and show he has turned things around.
But if he expects it to be handed to him on a silver plater, or he starts laying blame elsewhere then that’s another story. That shows he hasn’t learnt a thing and nothing has changed which = no offer from us.

 

[Sparkles]

His stereoids incident was not accidental or some supplement having this substance.

As far as I know, it was a concious decision to take o stereoids by him. I do not know him or his personality but his behaviour after everything surfaced was not the best. Therefore, I question, whether he learnt anything from this ordeal or if he just learnt to "mask" it better?

If it is the latter, do we want such a guy around our youngsters?

There's nothing about the decisions Xerri's made in the lead up to his ban or since that's made me want him back.

 

[bort]

I get it. He alone ****ed up, badly. It’s all on his head.
But I do think everyone deserves another chance to make things right IF they are willing to take full ownership and responsibility of their actions (mistakes) and work hard to EARN that 2nd chance.

So I’m happy to go after him if he is willing to put the hard yards in, come through the Jets and show he has turned things around.
But if he expects it to be handed to him on a silver plater, or he starts laying blame elsewhere then that’s another story. That shows he hasn’t learnt a thing and nothing has changed which = no offer from us.

Problem is he looks like he just went 'oh well can't get banned for doping from the gym' and just kept doing steroids and bulking up.
Does he look like he's distanced himself from the bad influences in his life?

If that is the attitude he took it is probably only a matter of time until he finds himself in some kind of strife again.

If since that photo he's started putting in fitness and agility work in preparation to really make a go of an NRL return that'd change the narrative a bit. If he's happy to sign a dev of T&T trial and start at the bottom then so be it but I suspect he'll go wherever offers the most money.
Or tell him don't sign anything for a few months, go work with sprint coach and we will bring you into pre-season on a train and trial deal and in February we will make you a fair offer.

 

[Gal The Goat]

Problem is he looks like he just went 'oh well can't get banned for doping from the gym' and just kept doing steroids and bulking up.
Does he look like he's distanced himself from the bad influences in his life?

If that is the attitude he took it is probably only a matter of time until he finds himself in some kind of strife again.

If since that photo he's started putting in fitness and agility work in preparation to really make a go of an NRL return that'd change the narrative a bit. If he's happy to sign a dev of T&T trial and start at the bottom then so be it but I suspect he'll go wherever offers the most money.
Or tell him don't sign anything for a few months, go work with sprint coach and we will bring you into pre-season on a train and trial deal and in February we will make you a fair offer.

A more recent pic says that’s probably the story.

 

[apezza]

Look, I’d love to have him back fully fit and in form.

But, he knowingly took the steroids, tried to mask it and tried to deny it so the club would keep paying him.

It looks like he’s not in a great crowd and is easily influenced by others so not sure the attitude will change.

I think even if Fitz was ok with him, I don’t think the club would want him back.

I agree with Chad.

He milked the cash cow for an extra 12 months - protesting his innocence after his first positive sample. Even tried to imply the Club had something to do with it (by suggesting there is more to the story that will come out 'one day')

Once he got as much money ad he could (by dragging it out) and the B sample came back positive he admitted to it then dropped off the face of the earth.

It's a steroid boosted NO THANKS from me.

 

[bort]

I agree with Chad.

He milked the cash cow for an extra 12 months - protesting his innocence after his first positive sample. Even tried to imply the Club had something to do with it (by suggesting there is more to the story that will come out 'one day')

Once he got as much money ad he could (by dragging it out) and the B sample came back positive he admitted to it then dropped off the face of the earth.

It's a steroid boosted NO THANKS from me.

Yeah the milking wasn't ideal...
Odds of B sample being a false negative have to be astronomically low

Also fact it came out a month after we were forced to release Morris due to cap constraint, not specifically his fault that happened but made situation worse.

 

[Thresher]

He played us for every cent. Total lack of respect for the club that trained him and gave him his opportunities.

I'd prefer that he sign at another club so we can smash him.

 

[apezza]

He played us for every cent. Total lack of respect for the club that trained him and gave him his opportunities.

I'd prefer that he sign at another club so we can smash him.

Need to catch him first!

 

[Shortfin Mako]

What are the NRL rules for previous doping offenders (or testing for doping in general)? Are they under more scrutiny and subject to more unannounced and reguar tests? Does the NRL adhere to ASADA or do they have their own rules/establishment?

 

[stormshark]

Will be an adopted Titans/Storm/dolphins Jnr

 

[jocktheshark]

How old was he when he done this dumb **** , no more than a kid with the bright lights in his eyes . If i had been nailed to a crucifix for some of the dumb arse **** i did when i was younger , i would still be hanging up there .
I can see both sides of this debate , first and foremost Fitz would have to be interested , and then a very strong conversation about what would be required for his start towards redemption with us .
It still breaks my heart to see what he threw away .

 

[puma1355]

Jock Madden to Sharks ?
Why?

 

[Sparkles]

How old was he when he done this dumb **** , no more than a kid with the bright lights in his eyes . If i had been nailed to a crucifix for some of the dumb arse **** i did when i was younger , i would still be hanging up there .
I can see both sides of this debate , first and foremost Fitz would have to be interested , and then a very strong conversation about what would be required for his start towards redemption with us .
It still breaks my heart to see what he threw away .

I agree, and not saying he should be banned for life. Just saying that if current history is a true reflection of his attitude since, I'm happy for someone else to take the chance on him

 

[Super Impose]

Jock Madden to Sharks ?
Why?

Surely not on what I have seen of him ..

 

[jocktheshark]

I agree, and not saying he should be banned for life. Just saying that if current history is a true reflection of his attitude since, I'm happy for someone else to take the chance on him

Yeah it's a tough one , for the $$$ cost to us i think if the right support was put in place with a clear set of boundaries also the reward could be high . Of course this starts with Fitz wanting to take on the project .
I look at some one like Lodge and what he done , other people suffered , this kid basically just screwed himself over . If we were more forgiving Lodge could be helping us towards the finals and not the Roosters .
Can't always just throw people on the rubbish heap , redemption has to start somewhere and usually by someone giving that person a chance .

 

[Thresher]

Don't know about behind the scenes but he doesn't seem to be displaying any signs of remorse.

From the face of things he seems to be doing the direct opposite, and flaunting his disregard.

 

[Jaz]

Don't know about behind the scenes but he doesn't seem to be displaying any signs of remorse.

From the face of things he seems to be doing the direct opposite, and flaunting his disregard.

Let's ask Ricky Stuart for his thoughts