State of Origin 2022

[apezza]

Oh we are on the same page, I may have just explained it poorly.

There has been a lot of noise in the media saying To'o can't have his cake and eat it to'o (haha). People are saying if he wants to be playing for the Blues, then he must be available for Australia first. In which circumstance he can only play for Samoa if he isn't picked for Aus. Which is complete bullshit.

The extension made in this video though is the same should apply for NZ/Eng internationals. Origin should have no bearing on which country you play for providing you fit the other selection criteria for your state i.e. being there before 13 years old etc.

This will allow for a better product through SOO, plus strengthen the international game as players who may have opted to play for Australia in order to qualify for origin, could spread to other nations.

I agree. I just didn't like the talk where players may play SOO game 1 and then their own nation in rep round 2 weeks later (ie missed origin 2)

Mind you that most mostly media talk. I didn't hear any players say it

 

[HaroldBishop]

I agree. I just didn't like the talk where players may play SOO game 1 and then their own nation in rep round 2 weeks later (ie missed origin 2)

Mind you that most mostly media talk. I didn't hear any players say it

Don't have to worry about that anymore thanks to channel nein.

 

[Sparkles]

Don't have to worry about that anymore thanks to channel nein.

Heil Fittler!

 

[Proud Shark]

Yeah agree about mid season tests but that is moot now anyway unfortunately.

 

[Wiz]

Literally one is the state where you have played and grown up and the other is where you and your bloodline are from..whoever has a problem with that has rocks in their head.

The state you have grown up in has nothing to do with your heritage, people are proud of their culture and where they are from why someone would want to take that away is weird

 

[apezza]

In QLDs defence, they have been picking these players for years!

 

[BurgoShark]

Literally one is the state where you have played and grown up and the other is where you and your bloodline are from..whoever has a problem with that has rocks in their head.

The state you have grown up in has nothing to do with your heritage, people are proud of their culture and where they are from why someone would want to take that away is weird

I think it's just the grey areas that are the problem.

It took 33 years for everyone to agree on the criteria. Now that we've had 10 years of everyone agreeing, they want to open up the eligibility can-of-worms again. Right now it is black and white. Do we really want or need more grey areas?

If it's as simple as "the SoO criteria is not changing, but if you qualify under those criteria AND you qualify to play for a country other than Australia - it still counts" I think that is OK. Let's not fiddle with the SoO criteria though.

 

[Capital_Shark]

I think it's just the grey areas that are the problem.

It took 33 years for everyone to agree on the criteria. Now that we've had 10 years of everyone agreeing, they want to open up the eligibility can-of-worms again. Right now it is black and white. Do we really want or need more grey areas?

If it's as simple as "the SoO criteria is not changing, but if you qualify under those criteria AND you qualify to play for a country other than Australia - it still counts" I think that is OK. Let's not fiddle with the SoO criteria though.

Agree, no extra fiddling needs to be done. Origin and international are different things and we just need to break the tie in where if you play origin you must play for Australia.

 

[Sparkles]

Agree, no extra fiddling needs to be done. Origin and international are different things and we just need to break the tie in where if you play origin you must play for Australia.

Good point. It used to be Country v City was the Origin feeder, then NSW v QLD the Australian feeder. It's all tits up now. The All-Stars and International games are way bigger than city/country and half our players are of non-Australian heritage.

Check out the 2017 sides!

Country Origin	Position	City Origin
Michael Gordon ​	Fullback	Matt Moylan​
Anthony Don ​	Wing	Clint Gutherson​
Mitchell Aubusson1 (c) ​	Centre	Nathan Ross​
Cheyse Blair ​	Centre	Tyrone Peachey​
Brian Kelly ​	Wing	Josh Addo-Carr​
Cody Walker ​	Five-Eighth	Bryce Cartwright​
Tyrone Roberts ​	Halfback	Chad Townsend​
Dale Finucane ​	Prop	James Tamou​
Damien Cook ​	Hooker	Cameron McInnes​
Paul Vaughan ​	Prop	Paul Gallen (c)​
Tariq Sims ​	2nd Row	Curtis Sironen​
Kyle Turner ​	2nd Row	David Gower​
Jack De Belin ​	Lock	Hame Sele​
Connor Watson ​	Interchange	Joseph Paulo​
Matt Prior ​	Interchange	Nathan Cleary​
Adam Elliott ​	Interchange	Pauli Pauli​
Daniel Alvaro ​	Interchange	Jake Marketo​
Craig Fitzgibbon​	Coach	Brad Fittler​

 

[bort]

I mean I personally don't see why the state you grew up in is more important than your bloodline but your bloodline is more important than the country you grew up in. But apparently that's just my view and I'm aware that doesn't make it right.

To me it looks like if it wasn't for the money these guys would choose International games over Origin.

Agree, no extra fiddling needs to be done. Origin and international are different things and we just need to break the tie in where if you play origin you must play for Australia.

They are separate but NSW and QLD are Australian states, you are representing your state in Australia. You are identifying as wanting to play for NSW (or QLD), Australia.

I'd think most players should be fairly keen on also playing for Australia if selected.

 

[BurgoShark]

I mean I personally don't see why the state you grew up in is more important than your bloodline but your bloodline is more important than the country you grew up in. But apparently that's just my view and I'm aware that doesn't make it right.

To me it looks like if it wasn't for the money these guys would choose International games over Origin.


They are separate but NSW and QLD are Australian states, you are representing your state in Australia. You are identifying as wanting to play for NSW (or QLD), Australia.

I'd think most players should be fairly keen on also playing for Australia if selected.

I always like how they added themselves a back door in origin too. Check this long list of criteria... you don't qualify? Oh well... too bad.. no wait... did your Dad play origin? OK, you're in! You qualify for this state but your Dad played for the other one... no worries... play for the same team as your Dad.

 

[egg]

IF Nicho got COVID from within the NSW Camp, could get Ugly

 

[Capital_Shark]

I mean I personally don't see why the state you grew up in is more important than your bloodline but your bloodline is more important than the country you grew up in. But apparently that's just my view and I'm aware that doesn't make it right.

To me it looks like if it wasn't for the money these guys would choose International games over Origin.


They are separate but NSW and QLD are Australian states, you are representing your state in Australia. You are identifying as wanting to play for NSW (or QLD), Australia.

I'd think most players should be fairly keen on also playing for Australia if selected.

I get what you're saying, but feel it's outdated now given the massive amounts of P.I. players in the comp. It also means Australia essentially hordes all the best talent and kneecaps the international game. Origin is the pinnacle and will be for quite some time, but it shouldn't be a feeder for the Australian team anymore.

 

[Sparkles]

I mean I personally don't see why the state you grew up in is more important than your bloodline but your bloodline is more important than the country you grew up in. But apparently that's just my view and I'm aware that doesn't make it right.

To me it looks like if it wasn't for the money these guys would choose International games over Origin.


They are separate but NSW and QLD are Australian states, you are representing your state in Australia. You are identifying as wanting to play for NSW (or QLD), Australia.

I'd think most players should be fairly keen on also playing for Australia if selected.

Let's see....
The best figures I can find have it that players earn $15k per Origin game. International match earnings was $20k per Australian players and $2.5k per player for all other nations (though that's for the World Cup...).
The average number of games for an Origin player looks be be around 10 (QLD at 14, NSW at 7 interestingly), so that's a heftier lifetime value... $150k + say 5 game for Australia for $100k gives you $250k, verse say 5 games for Tonga = $25k. Sorry mum and dad, I'm an Aussie....

Did you know... Cameron Smith played 42 Origins and 56 tests for Australia. If he received payments for each one based on the numbers above (and they couldn't have, but let's just run with it) Smith would have earned, from representative games alone, $1.75M over his career.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Let's see....
The best figures I can find have it that players earn $15k per Origin game. International match earnings was $20k per Australian players and $2.5k per player for all other nations (though that's for the World Cup...).
The average number of games for an Origin player looks be be around 10 (QLD at 14, NSW at 7 interestingly), so that's a heftier lifetime value... $150k + say 5 game for Australia for $100k gives you $250k, verse say 5 games for Tonga = $25k. Sorry mum and dad, I'm an Aussie....

Did you know... Cameron Smith played 42 Origins and 56 tests for Australia. If he received payments for each one based on the numbers above (and they couldn't have, but let's just run with it) Smith would have earned, from representative games alone, $1.75M over his career.

That is definitely something that must be evened up. International match payments.

Smith got plenty more than that. I think Australia used to pay $50k per game and origin was$30k.

 

[MrDravid]

IF Nicho got COVID from within the NSW Camp, could get Ugly

While it doesn't mean it won't get ugly, apparently all NSW players have tested negative (RAT) today.

 

[bort]

Let's see....
The best figures I can find have it that players earn $15k per Origin game. International match earnings was $20k per Australian players and $2.5k per player for all other nations (though that's for the World Cup...).
The average number of games for an Origin player looks be be around 10 (QLD at 14, NSW at 7 interestingly), so that's a heftier lifetime value... $150k + say 5 game for Australia for $100k gives you $250k, verse say 5 games for Tonga = $25k. Sorry mum and dad, I'm an Aussie....

Did you know... Cameron Smith played 42 Origins and 56 tests for Australia. If he received payments for each one based on the numbers above (and they couldn't have, but let's just run with it) Smith would have earned, from representative games alone, $1.75M over his career.

Mum and dad who moved to Australia so you can have a better life: "That's fantastic son, we are so proud of you"

They are already choosing NSW over Samoa/Tonga etc in mid season tests (the money not being a non-factor).
If Origin is not relevant then don't have it at the same time as tests, if it is at the same time as tests I think players who play Origin should be intending to be eligible for Australia firstly.

At the moment it looks to me like it is an Australian thing because everyone who plays is eligible for Australia, it starts with an Aus anthem, and it's played at the same time as Internationals for multiple countries except Australia.

I have no issue with (to use prevalent example) Brian To'o identifying as being and Australian (& New South Welshman) and Samoan.
And unlike Gus Gould I have no issue with him being able to stand proudly to each anthem.
I just don't really see how he could only be a New South Welshman and Samoan.
As an Australian who has been cheering him on for NSW I am disappointed he doesn't want to play for Australia.

They say NSW 'doesn't get Origin' or whatever but have any of the QLD players said they won't be available for Australia?
Does To'o give a **** about NSW if he considers himself Samoan?
Sounds like some of the NSW players are just in it for the money to me. I can tolerate that as long as they win I guess...

And as Cap says, Smith would have taken in 1.26mil just from Origin, that payment has only reduced since COVID.

 

[MrDravid]

Let's see....
The best figures I can find have it that players earn $15k per Origin game. International match earnings was $20k per Australian players and $2.5k per player for all other nations (though that's for the World Cup...).
The average number of games for an Origin player looks be be around 10 (QLD at 14, NSW at 7 interestingly), so that's a heftier lifetime value... $150k + say 5 game for Australia for $100k gives you $250k, verse say 5 games for Tonga = $25k. Sorry mum and dad, I'm an Aussie....

Did you know... Cameron Smith played 42 Origins and 56 tests for Australia. If he received payments for each one based on the numbers above (and they couldn't have, but let's just run with it) Smith would have earned, from representative games alone, $1.75M over his career.

Origin was $30k per game before it was halved due to covid (currently $15k, but expected to go back to $30k next year).

 

[MrDravid]

The Chad!

 

[egg]

The Chad!

Called into Squad .
Can't believe Sharks let a possible starting 2022 SOS halfback go and signed Nicho instead
https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/vsk035