Should we sign Carney or not? Yes or No?

[snowman]

are not gal and flanno still in bali.So this would not be hot of the press stuff, quoting flanno or gal, i mean

gallen isnt, he is in the kangaroo's train on squad...

whether or not flanno is is another question...

 

[cyanide_shark]

Id give him a crack with an incentive based deal

 

[deep blue jaws]

my 2 cents is to sign him i'd love to see him in a sharks jersey if he stuffs up again thats him done for good no one would consider touching him but while the opportunity is their i'd rather the sharks reap the rewards than another club.


Just out of curiosity to those saying no to carney would you say no to bird aswell?
I would have em both.

 

[bjrshark]

no one here i think genuinely believes that signing carney will bring us an instant premiership. but after all the crap of loosing genuine quality players through poor decisions made by players..... why cant we have a crack at benefiting from another clubs misfortune that they could not handle him. We have senior players in Gal, Toops, J Smith and Jmo who will help guide this young kid.

Seriously i don't know how the rooter ever thought they could control carney with the squad around him... here is the list and some one tell me who was around (senior and respected) other than mini and maybe perrett to guide the kid...

Anasta?
Daniel Conn? the blokes a bigger piss pot than carney
Jake Friend? see above
SKD?
Myles? would piss his pants if he had to find a toilet to urinate
Nuuasala? See Conn
Pearce? has been drunk during interviews
Ryles? maybe... has had his issues
Hargeaves?

the roosters obviously have a culture of alcohol which is not getting any better over time.

again I ask why can't we benefit from his talent and at least give the kid a chance. we are a different club to when we had issues with maitua, seymour and bird.

take the chance.....


sorry about any bad spelling/grammer... at work typing very quickly

 

[timbomatto]

i am hopin we sign him. he is a risky option but he could provide to be a huge strength for the team

 

[grozzy]

I say yes, but with a strict good behaviour clause. Pay a minimum wage, with the rest paid after no incidents.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

gallen isnt, he is in the kangaroo's train on squad...

whether or not flanno is is another question...

Gallen went to Bali after the dally-m's, is he back already?

 

[DeathMoth]

In my opinion it is a no brainer. We should sign him.

The team tried so damn hard in the last few rounds of the comp, the forwards worked their rings off, and for no rewards because still can't attack and finish off games.

Carney would be the difference.

I don't believe this is the case

Carney wouldn't be the difference.

When we get in an attacking position, there are 12 other players (other than the 5/8th) who AREN'T running angles, standing deep enough to receive a pass, running on hard, finishing the play etc etc etc.

That's why our attack looked flat, because it WAS flat. All over the park. Not just at 5/8th. Carney isn't going to change that.

 

[WillyInBris]

Just out of curiosity to those saying no to carney would you say no to bird aswell?
I would have em both.

Not really a fair question your comparing apples to figs.

Carney is a serial offender of the highest order and has been sacked from another club he has shown nothing more then utter contempt for what has been asked of him from those clubs.

Bird has gone the other way from all reports and has been following the rules that were set out for him at the GC good idea if you want ot keep playing.

So yes I would have Bird back he deserves another chance as he was never found guilty and the situation was just handled quite badly by all parties, manager, player and club.

As for carney how can you help a person that cant help himself or should I say wont help himself and what if we lost one of our young guys for him to stuff up and we then have no one to replace him with, also a real good standard to set for AK and the young guys as well.

NO thanks

 

[A.Snowden]

Gallen went to Bali after the dally-m's, is he back already?

:gal:

I say yes, but with a strict good behaviour clause. Pay a minimum wage, with the rest paid after no incidents.

How many work places out there would employ you on that basis?

 

[goodbyepenrithhellosharks]

this one has got me stuffed guys.Take him and he plays to his capabilities and we are on a dead set winner.Take him and he ****s up and he could take a few of our blokes down with him.
GOING TO HAVE TO SIT ON THE FENCE FOR THIS ONE

 

[greg_bird]

YES

he is better than what we currently have and would a huge difference to our backline and we might even find ourselves scoring a few more trys

yes he is an idiot but has what he done LATLEY been that bad ?

this season he and 2 other senior players broke a self impossed drinking ban! big deal he didnt hurt anyone or miss training

he also got done DUI ealier on in the year it was the next morning. im sure nearly all of us here have woken up shaddy the next morning and driven home.

the issues at canberra are another story. i put it done to NO father figure in his life when he needed it the most
he was all of sudden loved by raiders fans 18-21 years old and cashed up.

theres was no strong figure in his life to bring him back to reality

 

[BurgoShark]

NO

i've explained before but i'll do it again.

1) his efforts this year have shown that he can't bring a second rate team to the top. even if the Roosters made it all the way last year, THAT WAS NOT A SOLO EFFORT. no solo effort will save the Sharks anyways.

I agree with this. One player is not going to make us a premiership threat, but there were probably 6-7 games this year where better performances by one or both of our halves would have gotten us the points.

I'd prefer we didn't sign him, but I wouldn't be shattered if we did. If he signs anywhere in the NRL it'll be on a Bird-like deal (series of one year deals with team options) so the risk is small.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

You didn't mention the worst thing he did greg_bird.

He told his coach and employer that he needed a game off to chill out with his mum and get some downtime as he was exhausted and needed the rest. They granted him that, and he went and partied with his mates in Oxford street instead. He didn't even try to stay out of the limelight to try and hide what he was doing, he was flaunting it.

He doesn't have a drinking problem, or a mental health issue. He is just an idiot. An ********. A wanker. A bad person. He makes bad decisions. He doesn't care. He knows that he can get away with literally anything and a sorry old club like the Cronulla Sharks will employ him.

Well I say no to that.

 

[greg_bird]

forgot about that one.

that also happened just after a certain coach was RUMOURED to be shagging a certain players mum.

i agree he is a **** human but he has major talent

 

[deep blue jaws]

Not really a fair question your comparing apples to figs.

Carney is a serial offender of the highest order and has been sacked from another club he has shown nothing more then utter contempt for what has been asked of him from those clubs.

Bird has gone the other way from all reports and has been following the rules that were set out for him at the GC good idea if you want ot keep playing.

So yes I would have Bird back he deserves another chance as he was never found guilty and the situation was just handled quite badly by all parties, manager, player and club.

As for carney how can you help a person that cant help himself or should I say wont help himself and what if we lost one of our young guys for him to stuff up and we then have no one to replace him with, also a real good standard to set for AK and the young guys as well.

NO thanks

i dont think its at all an unfair question ,whether bird did ( i believe and almost everyone else does too ) or did not hit his girl friend or glassed her either way he brought cronulla real bad press and lied to the club about it and tried blaming it on a mate.

I know he was found not guilty but in a sense i guess i can see where on part of what you are saying is true and that is the apples to figs cause to me hitting a woman is by far worse than getting drunk.

by the way bird being found not guilty seriously come on if he wasnt a footy player and just regular joe like you and me do you think this would have been the outcome ?

I would hate to see us miss out on a bloody good opportunity but as i said its a risk and a huge one at that.

 

[A.Snowden]

You didn't mention the worst thing he did greg_bird.

He told his coach and employer that he needed a game off to chill out with his mum and get some downtime as he was exhausted and needed the rest. They granted him that, and he went and partied with his mates in Oxford street instead. He didn't even try to stay out of the limelight to try and hide what he was doing, he was flaunting it.

He doesn't have a drinking problem, or a mental health issue. He is just an idiot. An ********. A wanker. A bad person. He makes bad decisions. He doesn't care. He knows that he can get away with literally anything and a sorry old club like the Cronulla Sharks will employ him.

Well I say no to that.

Great bloke to have at the club and representing your business...Question, would any of you if owned a company, would conduct an interview with someone knowing his track record, all his alcohol problems still employ him knowing he will be under constant scrutiny from the media and public waiting for him to screw up again? If you owned that business i would find it hard for any of you to honestly say yes.

 

[sharkyboy]

but if you COULD straighten him out would offer so much to your company and could put you near the top. i guess it just depends on whether its worth the risk. at least cronulla isnt in the city and the lifestyle isnt as party mode and we dotn have ******s that want to go out and get blind every weekend

 

[BurgoShark]

I don't believe this is the case

Carney wouldn't be the difference.

When we get in an attacking position, there are 12 other players (other than the 5/8th) who AREN'T running angles, standing deep enough to receive a pass, running on hard, finishing the play etc etc etc.

That's why our attack looked flat, because it WAS flat. All over the park. Not just at 5/8th. Carney isn't going to change that.

While I say no to Carney, I don't necessarily agree with this. Other than a few games (Raiders, Dragons, Broncos v2) the feature of our losses was:

1. Poor 5th tackle options
2. Poor kick in the opponent's 20m (good option - bad execution)
3. Lack of quality ball to outside backs

A good half or 5/8 would have been the difference in some of our close losses.

Having said that, our halves are all under 21, so I'm inclined to give them a bit more time to get it right. Not many players come into first grade in the halves and get it right all the time. Consistency is the biggest challenge, and our three young halves have all had problems with it - but so does any 20 year old first grader.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

but if you COULD straighten him out would offer so much to your company and could put you near the top.

That's a big IF. I have absolutely no faith that any club can 'straighten him out'. I think at best a club will get him playing most of a season at an acceptable level, with only low range off field issues. That's the best case scenario without being a dreamer.

at least cronulla isnt in the city and the lifestyle isnt as party mode and we dotn have ******s that want to go out and get blind every weekend

Hahahaha are you taking the piss mate?