I'm guessing what people are looking for in this 'mongrel' prop is someone who brings the intimidation to the contest. Someone who's tough enough to bend and bash (within legal limits...ish) the opposition. Kafusi is doing it for the Dolphins. NAS does it for the Storm. JWH and JFH are another couple of hard heads. They're a player who's near impossible to pull down, hits hard every time, seems to be nuclear powered and doesn't care or even notice if they come off worse than the other bloke. McGinness is that guy... he's just in the wrong body. Dale tries to be, but he's more heart than hard. Otherwise I don't think we have a guy who fits the mould... we could use one, though.
The thing for me is it consistently seems to be JFH, JWH, NAS, Kaufusi et al who are the examples.
I get the impression that people who say we need more aggression, or we need more mongrel, are just saying we need an elite international forward. Fits with your definition too. I have absolutely no issue with that opinion. I would love an elite international forward.
There are people just straight up saying they want a top prop. That's great, everyone knows what that is, very clear you just want to upgrade the position. Again, fully agree, it would be fantastic. Why do you want them? Because they are proven weapons. Great, no further questions.
There are people who say 'aggression' or 'mongrel' but they never seem to be asking for penalty/suspension machine Jack Hetherington who is aggressive as, but is pretty ****. Not a prop but Radley is angry as **** and either gets knocked out or knocks someone out every game but if anyone was saying we should get him I think they'd add the disclaimer he needs to get it right more.
But it just so happens a JFH - one of the probably top 3 props in the game for pretty much everyone I'd guess - is exactly what we need because he is 'aggressive'.
That's just where I am seeking some clarification. Is anyone purely after aggression that doesn't come in the physically gifted body of a proven performer? If yes I think that is an interesting viewpoint I'd like to hear more about. Any examples of a fringe guy who brings aggression that would improve us? They are probably more obtainable than JFH so interesting to talk about.
If no and they just mean they want another teams best forward then fine, wanting that makes sense.
Open to peoples thoughts on this one - does Rudolf improve more if he is 'aggressive' like NAS, or if he is built like NAS? I'd say the second one.
I'd love Rudolf to run harder and tackle harder, but that outcome would be more valuable to me than if he was angrier while he did it or not.
As you touched on McInnes can be high effort enough with little care for self preservation but lacks the elite physicality. Hell put him in the body of anyone you named as examples and that's a fucking beast.
Even Milkys example is not someone adding more aggression it is (top rep forward) Gallen learning to control his aggression.
Dale's hit which was reckless due to headclash, Grahams big hit which was high, Royce throwing a sad little punch. All of these are players trying to be aggressive but lacking control/execution.