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He can play cool all he wants

He keeps the poor coaching up his persona will mean fk all
I said this before but Extending fitz this early in his career and for so long never say well with me.

We are so far backwards from last year it’s not funny.
 

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It wasn’t just Moylan, our whole left edge let us down tonight.

Wilton and Moylan were off sync with their defence and Talakai and Ronaldo gave away some poor errors at critical times.

Trindall may have made more of an impact on those tackles, maybe not. But playing Tricky doesn’t stop the rest of errors on that edge.
 

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Moylan is not the reason that comes to mind on why that game played out the way it did - if anything Hynes fell away somewhat in the second half and Moylan needed to take on a bit more. Surprised (although kinda also shouldn't be surprised) he is copping so much flack after that game.

Look I bag out Mozza at times as well but sometimes I think some fans get the tunnel vision and already have their posts drafted ready to bag him out post game regardless of if he was actually decent or not and I get the frustration as his D was crap tonight but to act like he did nothing in attack is wrong.

People want him to kick more, well he kicked more. People want repeat sets, he got us a couple of those.

Moylan is still good with the ball, the problem is that defense of his that used to be pretty handy has regressed and tonight some of his tackle efforts looked like a bloke injured or dogging it. That just piles onto what has already been an underwhelming defensive display from Moylan and co. in the opening rounds

Not enough to see him dropped though

I half seriously/half jokingly suggested defending him on the wing (like Dragons did with Soward) and while that didn't gain much traction he isn't going to be dropped so what is the solution? Is he suddenly going to be able to tackle again next week while working it all out with Tieg and Talakai? Will the coach try something different or just keep reinforcing what he is trying with them?

There has been some improvement in that defensive combination lately so perhaps we need to show some more patience but it's hard cause it is currently hurtingus in games and frankly I think all 3 of Wilton, Talakai and Moylan have been missing their assignments and not been up to scratch individually with the defensive reads and tackling.

I.e. it's not all down to combos and communication

Up field defesively sure not bad, Tieg particualr been strong further up field in defense and Talakai even Moylan having their moments but on the try line we just arn't getting good contact on the ball carrier.
 

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I definitely have bagged Moyza over the years and probably got side tracked with him at times. It’s not always him and he does play well sometimes.

However, there is consistency with Moyza in defence. And the players around him struggle, I can only say that maybe this is because there is doubt in there minds defending next to him.

I think Fitz has to make a decision before the season gets away from him.
 

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Bring back flano
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Moylan is not the reason that comes to mind on why that game played out the way it did - if anything Hynes fell away somewhat in the second half and Moylan needed to take on a bit more. Surprised (although kinda also shouldn't be surprised) he is copping so much flack after that game.

Look I bag out Mozza at times as well but sometimes I think some fans get the tunnel vision and already have their posts drafted ready to bag him out post game regardless of if he was actually decent or not and I get the frustration as his D was crap tonight but to act like he did nothing in attack is wrong.

People want him to kick more, well he kicked more. People want repeat sets, he got us a couple of those.

Moylan is still good with the ball, the problem is that defense of his that used to be pretty handy has regressed and tonight some of his tackle efforts looked like a bloke injured or dogging it. That just piles onto what has already been an underwhelming defensive display from Moylan and co. in the opening rounds

Not enough to see him dropped though

I half seriously/half jokingly suggested defending him on the wing (like Dragons did with Soward) and while that didn't gain much traction he isn't going to be dropped so what is the solution? Is he suddenly going to be able to tackle again next week while working it all out with Tieg and Talakai? Will the coach try something different or just keep reinforcing what he is trying with them?

There has been some improvement in that defensive combination lately so perhaps we need to show some more patience but it's hard cause it is currently hurtingus in games and frankly I think all 3 of Wilton, Talakai and Moylan have been missing their assignments and not been up to scratch individually with the defensive reads and tackling.

I.e. it's not all down to combos and communication

Up field defesively sure not bad, Tieg particualr been strong further up field in defense and Talakai even Moylan having their moments but on the try line we just arn't getting good contact on the ball carrier.
it happened a lot last year.. Hynes does everything then runs himself ragged taking somewhat of a break which leaves Moylan to do more but because Moylans ceiling is where it is we regress.

Currently there is no magic happening around Moylan and we are paying for it
 

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I definitely have bagged Moyza over the years and probably got side tracked with him at times. It’s not always him and he does play well sometimes.

However, there is consistency with Moyza in defence. And the players around him struggle, I can only say that maybe this is because there is doubt in there minds defending next to him.

I think Fitz has to make a decision before the season gets away from him.
This is 100% the issue, particularly with relatively green players either side of him...
 

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Give us your best excuses why he stays in the team gentlemen
I will go with reasons rather than excuses; nothing earth shattering, just logic:

As we all appreciate, successful Rugby league teams need a mix of attacking biased players & defensive biased rated players.

When possible, great defensive biased players partly cover attacking players when the team is defending as a unit on the goal line; think:

Lockyer / Tony Carrol, Barry Russell / Hatch?, Jamie Soward / the touch judge Etc

Moylan & Hynes are the beating heart of our attacking biased players; they play heads up footy, which gives Cronulla a differentiation over most of the other teams who play scripted footy.

The attacking biased players did their part yesterday - they orchestrated putting 30 on the score board.

I offer the defending biased players shoulder the responsibility for yesterdays close loss - we leaked 32.

In a nutshell, “ don‘t throw the baby out with the bath water”

I trust Fitz to change the bath water & keep the baby from %$#@ itself as badly as it did yesterday.
 

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I will go with reasons rather than excuses; nothing earth shattering, just logic:

As we all appreciate, successful Rugby league teams need a mix of attacking biased players & defensive biased rated players.

When possible, great defensive biased players partly cover attacking players when the team is defending as a unit on the goal line; think:

Lockyer / Tony Carrol, Barry Russell / Hatch?, Jamie Soward / the touch judge Etc

Moylan & Hynes are the beating heart of our attacking biased players; they play heads up footy, which gives Cronulla a differentiation over most of the other teams who play scripted footy.

The attacking biased players did their part yesterday - they orchestrated putting 30 on the score board.

I offer the defending biased players shoulder the responsibility for yesterdays close loss - we leaked 32.

In a nutshell, “ don‘t throw the baby out with the bath water”

I trust Fitz to change the bath water & keep the baby from %$#@ itself as badly as it did yesterday.
Do we still score 30 with Trindall on the field? In the 30 points we scored - is there anything Moylan did that Trindall couldn’t do?
 

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Moylan & Hynes are the beating heart of our attacking biased players; they play heads up footy, which gives Cronulla a differentiation over most of the other teams who play scripted footy.

Nothing much wrong with our attack in the first few rounds with Tricky in the team.

This thing that Hynes can only play the way he does with Moylan is a bullshit myth, it's laughable. There's nothing good Moylan does that Trindall can't.
 
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Nothing much wrong with our attack in the first few rounds with Tricky in the team.

This thing that Hynes can only play the way he does with Moylan is a bullshit myth, it's laughable. There's nothing good Moylan does that Trindall can't.

Lol so what happens when Moylan leaves or is injured? Is that it for Hynes?
 

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Do we still score 30 with Trindall on the field? In the 30 points we scored - is there anything Moylan did that Trindall couldn’t do?
If coach thought Tricky was the answer he would have put him on in that last 15 minutes when he had to decide how to use his final couple of replacements . His answer - It was all about containing their forwards
 

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I will go with reasons rather than excuses; nothing earth shattering, just logic:

As we all appreciate, successful Rugby league teams need a mix of attacking biased players & defensive biased rated players.

When possible, great defensive biased players partly cover attacking players when the team is defending as a unit on the goal line; think:

Lockyer / Tony Carrol, Barry Russell / Hatch?, Jamie Soward / the touch judge Etc

Moylan & Hynes are the beating heart of our attacking biased players; they play heads up footy, which gives Cronulla a differentiation over most of the other teams who play scripted footy.

The attacking biased players did their part yesterday - they orchestrated putting 30 on the score board.

I offer the defending biased players shoulder the responsibility for yesterdays close loss - we leaked 32.

In a nutshell, “ don‘t throw the baby out with the bath water”

I trust Fitz to change the bath water & keep the baby from %$#@ itself as badly as it did yesterday.
Moylan is woeful -

There is no accountability or structure with him in the team plus his attitude/personality is like Brailey they are way too cruisey and the less players we have like that in the team the better especially in the spine

All we do is play eyes up with Moylan and Hynes because that’s all he can do, that’s not NRL it’s a backwards way to play and build a game

Trindall won us whole 80 minute games this year, pretty much man of the match in 2 of his 3 matches, we can build a platform with him in the team, play the long game and give Nicho genuine help.

At this point it shouldn’t be a discussion and I wouldn’t be suprised if some of our own players are thinking Moylan needs that tap so tricky can come in
 

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If coach thought Tricky was the answer he would have put him on in that last 15 minutes when he had to decide how to use his final couple of replacements . His answer - It was all about containing their forwards
Spare me this crap on what the coach thinks. That wasn’t the question I asked.
 
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