Official Matt Moylan

[Western Sharkie]

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MOYLAN SET TO STAY


Sharks five-eighth Matt Moylan looks set to re-sign in the coming weeks after impressing first-year coach Craig Fitzgibbon.

Moylan signed a long-term deal when he joined from the Panthers in 2018 but but his most-recent contract was for just 12 months.

“Interesting with Moylan, they only signed him for one year because they weren’t convinced in the off-season that his head was right, that he was putting in to justify his salary,” Rothfield said.

“But Fitzy said, and I spoke to him this afternoon, they’re ready to talk again.

“He’s shown them enough in six weeks that Fitzy wants to sit down and talk next year.”

Paul Kent added: “The secret to some players is to sign them to a one-year deal.”

 

[Bundy Shark]

Not sure that would be easy to do with a salary cap?

Probably right but for arguments sake he wants 450k, we say, we’ll sign you for 250k & each game you play in FG you’ll get 15k
250k base
10k x 24 games (reg season) = 240k

So in a way, we dangle the carrot to him, we are prepared to pay over your 450k you want IF you back yourself to get your body right to play the intensity of FG NRL.

He’s get more money
We get to know his putting in the work away from field, ie, right diet, training in offseason & doing the right recovery etc

 

[bort]

How's the headline aye, Club that needs Munster most; Sharks

Probably right but for arguments sake he wants 450k, we say, we’ll sign you for 250k & each game you play in FG you’ll get 15k
250k base
10k x 24 games (reg season) = 240k

So in a way, we dangle the carrot to him, we are prepared to pay over your 450k you want IF you back yourself to get your body right to play the intensity of FG NRL.

He’s get more money
We get to know his putting in the work away from field, ie, right diet, training in offseason & doing the right recovery etc

I'd love to see some examples of NRL contracts and get an idea just how much is or is not guaranteed money for most players.
Is heavy incentives a thing or not? Is it common or not?
The NFL really spells it out. In NRL every player above 120 or so could be on 2-10k match payments and a base wage or almost none of them could be on match payments.
In NFL though if cap is going astray you can just cut/trade players. A lot harder in NRL to do that so actual cap management might need to be a bit tighter.

There is some cap dickery in it too I believe
I think if we had Moyza this year on 350k total but it was something like base 200k guaranteed and 50k if he played 10+ games, 50k if he played 20+ games and 50k if he played 20+ and we made finals I believe he would only count against this years cap for 250k because he only hit one of those milestones last season.
But it bites you in arse when the same 350k contract counts for 450k the next year because he hit all three milestones in 2022 so you have to pay the difference unaccounted for previous cap and have them available against current cap.

A contributing factor to teams that win Prems getting picked apart perhaps, not only do all players suddenly appear more valuable but they also likely all hit many of their bonuses which creates big cap pressure the next season. Maybe then part of the reason consistent teams (Storm, Roosters, now Penrith) can hold strong for extended periods is continued success means consistent cap expectations, a fast rising team gets burned a lot harder by high finish bonuses than a team that finished highly the year before and does it again.

I'd think the inclination would only be to heavily incentive younger players contracts... Moylan playing a good amount of games is not the sort of thing we want punishing our cap the next year. A young guy exploding onto the scene? Yeah happy to wear that one - take Taukamo in NRL squad next season, imagine if he was on base wage with a 20k bonus if he makes an NRL debut? Against the season after cap that is bugger all but you know he'd work his arse off to try get it and if he was able to play well enough to make an NRL debut, fantastic.

On example you put Bundy, if he had that for this year, he played 15 games last season (2021) so he'd count for 400k against this seasons cap (22), if we kept him on same deal next season and he played say 20 games this season (22) he'd count for 500k against the next seasons cap (23) - expectation of 20 games again plus the 5 not accounted for in this years cap (22).
Not sure if adding the years made that clearer or worse haha

 

[CrazyMatt]

why?

We’re only 6 games into the season, yes he’s been good for those 6 games, but what if his lower limbs break again? What if he falls back into old infuriating shitty Moylan ways? It doesn’t make sense to me to rush into anything with a guy with his history.

 

[Western Sharkie]

We’re only 6 games into the season, yes he’s been good, but what if his rubber band hamstrings break again? What if he falls back into old broken **** Moylan ways? I wouldn’t rush into anything with a guy with his history.

TBF, he has always played well (When on the park) so it’s just more that he was never on the park opposed to skill.

Fair call thou. He ain’t likely to go anywhere, but on the flip side, contract negs can go for a long time, so by opening them now, we could have a result by rnds 20-21 and we also know if he has played for majority of the season or not…..
Just sayin

 

[CrazyMatt]

TBF, he has always played well (When on the park) so it’s just more that he was never on the park opposed to skill.

Fair call thou. He ain’t likely to go anywhere, but on the flip side, contract negs can go for a long time, so by opening them now, we could have a result by rnds 20-21 and we also know if he has played for majority of the season or not…..
Just sayin

I disagree with the first part, he hasnt been good in every single game he’s played for us, far from it. He’s had some good games, some fantastic games, but he’s also had his fair share of stinkers.

Someone at his stage of his career wont need long to negotiate his contract, its not like he’s going to be in high demand.

 

[bort]

We’re only 6 games into the season, yes he’s been good for those 6 games, but what if his lower limbs break again? What if he falls back into old infuriating shitty Moylan ways? It doesn’t make sense to me to rush into anything with a guy with his history.

We were happy to pay him around 350k to take the risk he wouldn't break. Given good start Mooney Fitz perhaps prepared to repeat the risk.
If he played the rest of the season at same quality it will cost us more to retain him you'd think.

TBF, he has always played well (When on the park) so it’s just more that he was never on the park opposed to skill.

Fair call thou. He ain’t likely to go anywhere, but on the flip side, contract negs can go for a long time, so by opening them now, we could have a result by rnds 20-21 and we also know if he has played for majority of the season or not…..
Just sayin

I agree I think some people confused the injury disruption frustration and a fairly brief period where he got swapped back and forth between fullback and 5/8 and struggled into thinking he had extended bad periods of play for us. He has been overwhelmingly solid or good for us when healthy and playing one position.

To CM, only real stinkers I can think of are during the period we kept moving him (crowd applauding him catching a kick even). Don't think there has been too many others but I certainly won't claim a perfect memory.

 

[CrazyMatt]

We were happy to pay him around 350k to take the risk he wouldn't break. Given good start Mooney Fitz perhaps prepared to repeat the risk.
If he played the rest of the season at same quality it will cost us more to retain him you'd think.

I agree I think some people confused the injury disruption frustration and a fairly brief period where he got swapped back and forth between fullback and 5/8 and struggled into thinking he had extended bad periods of play for us. He has been overwhelmingly solid or good for us when healthy and playing one position.

To CM, only real stinkers I can think of are during the period we kept moving him (crowd applauding him catching a kick even). Don't think there has been too many others but I certainly won't claim a perfect memory.

Nah there’s no confusion, he’s had some stinkers at 5/8th as well from memory.

I respect and appreciate everyones opinion on this but I just dont agree with rushing into any kind of commitment to Matty for next season this early into the current one given his history, I dont see the harm in waiting and seeing how things play out with Matty. Just how I see it.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Nah there’s no confusion, he’s had some stinkers at 5/8th as well from memory.

I respect and appreciate everyones opinion on this but I just dont agree with rushing into any kind of commitment to Matty for next season this early into the current one given his history, I dont see the harm in waiting and seeing how things play out with Matty. Just how I see it.

Fair point, but opening negs (which can take a while) and signing a contract are 2 different things. No harm in having a chat and saying, “if you can stay healthy and keep playing well, we would like to keep you on” - contract pending….

 

[CrazyMatt]

LOL that article is a bit rough on Albert Kelly, pretty sure the spot was his until he got injured wasnt it? I dont think he got dropped.

 

[egg]

I could see the Dolphins offerering $400K plus for next year.
Maybe why Fitz is being proactive

 

[MrDravid]

Dolphins have already signed the young Penrith half... and could probably chase Milford or Ash Taylor for cheaper then Moylan.

 

[bort]

Nah there’s no confusion, he’s had some stinkers at 5/8th as well from memory.

I respect and appreciate everyones opinion on this but I just dont agree with rushing into any kind of commitment to Matty for next season this early into the current one given his history, I dont see the harm in waiting and seeing how things play out with Matty. Just how I see it.

He has, a few of them while he was in that period he really couldn't stay healthy or in a particular jersey. Surely also some others but overwhelmingly he has been okay or better when playing a position consistently.

2018 played 22 games of FE and 2 of FB - 15.5 MVP votes from us 0.65 per game
2019 played 0 games of FE and 11 games of FB - 8 MVP votes from us 0.73 per game
2020 played 4 games of FE and 3 games of FB (and one off bench) - 0 MVP votes
2021 played 12 games of FE and 0 games of FB (and three off bench) - 10.5 MVP votes from us 0.7 per game

So stinkers aside overall he has done pretty solidly in three out of 4 seasons when playing.

Given we gambled on him for this season under same staff not surprising they are looking at doing the same around a quarter of way into season where he has so far been good. As Westie mentioned, could be months until anything gets locked in.

Also at this stage with Metcalf confirmed leaving Moylans retention is probably a lot more attractive for Fitz - could well be a different story if we had extended Metcalf or he was currently unsigned still.

 

[Gards]

I hope Mozza tempers his expectations around a pay bump and doesn't get too greedy - the bloke stole from us between 2019 - 2020. He was essentially a paid physio and rehab client that got free tixs to Sharks games on the weekend.

I hope he can appreciate that and not forgot. it would be nice to help the club balance that out somewhat (smooth out the financial edges so to speak, make it hurt a bit less) though I can appreciate that the salary cap and ladder position from seasons past isn't really relevant to this season and next as well so you can look at it that way too.

Give him same deal as this season for 2023 (maybe a small increase) , that is fair considering the huge coin he was on while warming the grand stands and it's only been 6 rounds into 2022.

We have been patient with him, he can do us a solid in helping us balance our cap and win a premiership OR he can take a larger offer (if any come through that is) from another club (likely new club or lower on ladder) and get thrown under the bus as soon as things go pair shaped.

Ben Ross came back to us and played on a cheese and biscuits contract acknowledging he didn't live up to the big coin contract he previously had with us.

All the rose colored glasses coming out on this bloke now haha yes he is talented and has quality in his game and through 2018, 2021 & 2022 he has been mostly good when he strings the games together. I do like the bloke and I think he has a crack most of the time but seriously he really was a mong at points in 2018 and pretty poor over 2019-2020 not helped by serious injury time.

How can you be a first grade NRL player on $850k and not be able to catch or pass a ball LOL. Dugan had the same dramas, another notoriously over priced player who was good for us when he wanted to be

We are a better team with him on the field generally speaking though so depending how much Fitz values that and wants to fight for it with the vision he has for this team over the next 20 months or so I guess is gunna determine the offer along with what market options may be presented

 

[Sparkles]

We’re only 6 games into the season, yes he’s been good for those 6 games, but what if his lower limbs break again? What if he falls back into old infuriating shitty Moylan ways? It doesn’t make sense to me to rush into anything with a guy with his history.

To clarify - for the most part it wasn't that he couldn't play, just that he didn't want to play

 

[apezza]

He has definitely had an attitude shift over the off season which would have started with him getting his body recovery and training a big focus and priority.

This has translated to a more consistent performance and has paid dividends on his overall health. He looks happier, playing better and at this stage remaining injury free. It is great to see him become an integral part of this team.

I apologise in advance if I have jinxed him.

How does all this translate to contract negotiations? No idea but I'm enjoying watching his combination grow with Hynes, Kennedy and our edges (both sides!).

 

[Blix]

Contract year!!! (Who would of thought)

Just coming off a long term contract where he has been predominately injured. But can find it in himself to get fit come time for a new contract.

Would rather they didn’t but max. One year if no better options for mine (wouldn’t be in a rush to sign him either)

 

[Western Sharkie]

Contract year!!!

(Who would of thought)

Only 1 yr extensions on the cards for Moyza then.

 

[MMsharks]

Only 1 yr extensions on the cards for Moyza then.

yes to this

 

[snowman]

I disagree with the first part, he hasnt been good in every single game he’s played for us, far from it. He’s had some good games, some fantastic games, but he’s also had his fair share of stinkers.

Someone at his stage of his career wont need long to negotiate his contract, its not like he’s going to be in high demand.

his bad games have been at fullback, he has been solid at 6 since he has been here