Official Jesse Ramien

[apezza]

I think head or shoulder is a mute point

End of the day he attempted to make a tackle with the other shoulder which emlininates any chance of making a normal tackle (where you can wrap you arms around).

This tackle resulted in contact with the head, so for all purpose its a 'shoulder charge' type tackle.

 

[bort]

I think head or shoulder is a mute point

End of the day he attempted to make a tackle with the other shoulder which emlininates any chance of making a normal tackle (where you can wrap you arms around).

This tackle resulted in contact with the head, so for all purpose its a 'shoulder charge' type tackle.

Agree

He went for a shoulder charge and made substantial head contact - the contentious point of contact isn’t a significant factor

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

What does 5 m equal in time? Seemed to happen pretty ****ing quick to me. But this has nothing to do with what I was saying.

Because ponga made the decision not to make a legal tackle. If he actually attempted a tackle he doesnt get sent for that.

His shoulder charge wasnt reactionary, it was deliberate. Koula was a sitting duck

 

[Capital_Shark]

Because ponga made the decision not to make a legal tackle. If he actually attempted a tackle he doesnt get sent for that.

His shoulder charge wasnt reactionary, it was deliberate. Koula was a sitting duck

Did you quote the wrong person?

“Because Ponga made the decision not to make a legal tackle.” Is not an answer to “what does 5 m equal in time?”

Also I’ve never argued either way on that, I said he tucked his shoulder and turned, but I was mainly pointing out to someone else they were grossly mistaken to say that Koula was stopped 15 m before Ponga hit him.

Actually Koula was a falling, sliding duck moving pretty quickly.

 

[bort]

Also I’ve never argued either way on that, I said he tucked his shoulder and turned, but I was mainly pointing out to someone else they were grossly mistaken to say that Koula was stopped 15 m before Ponga hit him.

Don’t think that was said?
15m out probably meant from the tryline

Which I think is relevant as there is less urgency to go in with uncontrolled force when he’s already got someone on him and is quite a way from the line
(Think most would understand the move from Ponga a bit more if it was right on the tryline and an attempt to stop a likely score)

 

[Sharks NRL Prospects]

Queenslander bias… but I don’t agree with Annesley when he says “no mitigating factors”. Koula was falling and Ponga bent his back. Ponga should have tucked his arm but whatever.

Annesley would have been better off being honest and saying it was borderline but he backs his guys’ call. If it was shouider on head with no mitigation it shouid have been a long suspension.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Don’t think that was said?
15m out probably meant from the tryline

Which I think is relevant as there is less urgency to go in with uncontrolled force when he’s already got someone on him and is quiet a way from the line
(Think most would understand the move from Ponga a bit more if it was right on the tryline and an attempt to stop a likely score)

That would make more sense lol. If that’s what you meant @Gibs than sorry, you’re right and I just completely misunderstood.

Koula on the burst 15 m out is not something to wait on, and the 80 something kilo halfback currently getting a piggyback ride is no guarantee to bring him down.

 

[bort]

That would make more sense lol. If that’s what you meant @Gibs than sorry, you’re right and I just completely misunderstood.

Koula on the burst 15 m out is not something to wait on, and the 80 something kilo halfback currently getting a piggyback ride is no guarantee to bring him down.

don’t think anyone’s saying he shouldn’t have tackled him, either.

He just chose to do it dangerously. He probably wanted to try ensure he went over the sideline.
His choice cost Qld the game and himself 6k or whatever it was.
Also cost Koula two NRL games, although apparently Manly are appealing he should be let out of protocol early so as to only miss one.

 

[evertonshark]

don’t think anyone’s saying he shouldn’t have tackled him, either.

He just chose to do it dangerously. He probably wanted to try ensure he went over the sideline.
His choice cost Qld the game and himself 6k or whatever it was.
Also cost Koula two NRL games, although apparently Manly are appealing he should be let out of protocol early so as to only miss one.

Hope the nrl increase it to 4 matches for a frivolous appeal

 

[Sparkles]

I just loved how the ref saw it, knew what it was the moment it happened and wouldn't have his mind changed

 

[Capital_Shark]

I just loved how the ref saw it, knew what it was the moment it happened and wouldn't have his mind changed

But still got the video ref to check. Then thought he still knew more than the bloke who had a thousand looks at it.

 

[Sparkles]

But still got the video ref to check. Then thought he still knew more than the bloke who had a thousand looks at it.

Rhe bunker checks everything mate. If the ref breaks wind he has to check with the bunker to determine who smelt and it therefore dealt it

 

[Capital_Shark]

Rhe bunker checks everything mate. If the ref breaks wind he has to check with the bunker to determine who smelt and it therefore dealt it

I know they do. But what’s the point if the on field has his mind made up like Ashley? They don’t overrule the bunker on try decisions or captain challenges or anything else, often saying to the players “they have ruled on it mate, the decision is out of my hands”.

 

[Sparkles]

I know they do. But what’s the point if the on field has his mind made up like Ashley? They don’t overrule the bunker on try decisions or captain challenges or anything else, often saying to the players “they have ruled on it mate, the decision is out of my hands”.

It was an interesting one, for sure. Someone might have a better answer on when the bunker has full authority. Perhaps the ref needs to hand the decision over, which he didn't do in this case

Edit: this was educational:

Ponga send-off and judiciary process explained

NRL GM of Elite Football Graham Annesley has backed referee Ashley Klein's decision to send off Queensland fullback Kalyn Ponga in Origin I.

www.nrl.com

 

[Capital_Shark]

It was an interesting one, for sure. Someone might have a better answer on when the bunker has full authority. Perhaps the ref needs to hand the decision over, which he didn't do in this case

Some clarity around it would be good. I’ve always been under the impression that once a decision goes upstairs it’s now up to the bunker to decide.

 

[Sparkles]

Some clarity around it would be good. I’ve always been under the impression that once a decision goes upstairs it’s now up to the bunker to decide.

Me too. Check my edit above for an explanation of how it works.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Me too. Check my edit above for an explanation of how it works.

So when it comes to foul play the bunker just gives an opinion but the ultimate decision lies with the on field referee. Okay. Bit clunky, but okay.

 

[Capital_Shark]

The irony in using a Jesse Ramien thread to figure out the rules

 

[Sharks NRL Prospects]

It was an interesting one, for sure. Someone might have a better answer on when the bunker has full authority. Perhaps the ref needs to hand the decision over, which he didn't do in this case

Edit: this was educational:

Ponga send-off and judiciary process explained

NRL GM of Elite Football Graham Annesley has backed referee Ashley Klein's decision to send off Queensland fullback Kalyn Ponga in Origin I.

www.nrl.com

This was my objection. A whole bunch of words but only one relevant sentence with a terribly inadequate explanation. Typical NRL nonsense.

 

[Sharks NRL Prospects]

The irony in using a Jesse Ramien thread to figure out the rules

I feel like only only laugh emoji doesn't give enough respect to this post.