HaroldBishop
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You always had a good footy brain.
I reckon Moylan could develop in to a reasonable first choice kicker. He strikes the ball well.
Would be very handy as depth. Not a huge guy but works hard and low error. The sort of prop who has given us good service in the past.
Me and mr wright just went over their comparative stats this year and Moylan beats him in nearly every department. 5 years younger and provides more in attack in different ways.
The upside is enormous for Matty. Get him here now.
HaroldBishop
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Yeah plus Maloney's attitude this year was disgusting.
Given Maloney was the most penalised player this year I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Moylan gives away less penalties as well.
Until Maloney signs with another team and there is a succession of feel-good stories about his change in attitude and how he is trying to become a better person on the field and is paying more attention to the smaller details etc
Then he'll become the least penalised player for a while.
I know there is the money issue, everyone wants more, but I still don't understand the fall out between the club, Maloney and Flanno. Jimmy must be hard to get along with or something.
A little over a season after winning a premiership we are facing the destruction of our whole spine and the only bloke left in Townsend, the least talented of the four. In next year we'll lose our senior leaders in Lewis and Gallen. Two years after winning a comp our side will bear little resemblance to the one that won our first premiership. I just don't understand our succession planning.
Moylan could be a good buy. He has many more years left than Maloney and is clearly talented. However Maloney despite his poor '17 season has had success wherever he's gone, Moylan has played only a few games in the halves. Looking back on highlight reels Barba made all the difference to Maloney's game in '16, he turned half chances often created by Maloney into tries. Moylan is clearly not a leader given what's happened at Penrith, other that Wade Graham who are our leaders after the next year. All this is a bit of a worry.
A little over a season after winning a premiership we are facing the destruction of our whole spine and the only bloke left in Townsend, the least talented of the four. In next year we'll lose our senior leaders in Lewis and Gallen. Two years after winning a comp our side will bear little resemblance to the one that won our first premiership. I just don't understand our succession planning.
Moylan could be a good buy. He has many more years left than Maloney and is clearly talented. However Maloney despite his poor '17 season has had success wherever he's gone, Moylan has played only a few games in the halves. Looking back on highlight reels Barba made all the difference to Maloney's game in '16, he turned half chances often created by Maloney into tries. Moylan is clearly not a leader given what's happened at Penrith, other that Wade Graham who are our leaders after the next year. All this is a bit of a worry.
HaroldBishop
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This is the first I've heard about him being linked to Brisbane.
slide rule
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Some of the main cogs in that team were pretty old. We were never going to hold on to them. The only players we would have really wanted to hold on to but haven't were Barba and Bird. A rebuild of sorts was always coming.
I hope Maloney leaves. He's either **** now or just deliberately sabotaging. If the second is true I want him to leave more. That's a terrible character trait.
uglydingo
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Maloney was very good in 2016 but played some pretty bad games this season and Flanno knows it. Watch the terrible defense by Jimmy in the 2 Manly games and you know that he was repeatedly targeted by the Sea Eagles as a weak spot. He's not what he was and Matt Moylan represents a decent potential upgrade when he's focused on the game. Yes, we will mis Jimmy's great goal kicking but Moylan has much bigger potential for the longer term. It would be terrific if we can get Moylan.
HaroldBishop
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Yeah, it smells of petulance imo which is not something you want in a team environment.
If we add Moylan with Brailey continuing his development and hopefully Val as well, our spine is looking pretty good again. Add some strike from Dugan and I think we'll be in pretty good shape next year. Would like a bit more penetration from the wings though.
His misses were far lower than jimmys
Not sure I understand your worry. How long do squads stay together for in the modern day? The fact we essentially kept the entirety of last years squad in tact was a special feat in itself.
Squad turn overs are just apart of sport. More to that, most premiership winning squads have a number of veterans who only have a few years left. You replace them with younger and better players and build again for another premiership, which is exactly what we are doing now.
What you lose in Maloney you gain in other areas with Moylan. He's more naturally gifted and creates more chances more often in unstructed play, which we lacked a bit this year. We add Moylan we will put ourselves in more positions to score more points, yes we lose his in game kicking ability and goal kicking, but you can't be perfect everywhere.
We've gained an incredibly talented and strong world class centre, we have another pre season of training for two of the youngest and most exciting players in their positions in brailey and Holmes, and I even think chad will have a clearer understanding of his role within the side being the absolute general on the park and letting Matty do his thing which is play footy. Moylan is also a tremendous passer of the football.
The potential of his signing excites me and it should all sharks fans for the future. His marketability with kids is invaluable as well.
HaroldBishop
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People underestimate Val's goalkicking. In 2015 he kicked 11/13 and 2017 he kicked 10/12. In 2016 he kicked 2/7 but that was all down to one poor game against Penrith.
He was also very consistent in the lower grades if I remember correctly. Sure, he might not be quite up to the level of Maloney but if he's kicking at 78-80% we haven't lost much there.
What worries me is how quickly we are falling away. Yes we had a small premiership window with the veterans but we appear to be doing what Souths and the Dragons did. One premiership and then nothing. Why can't we aim for sustained success like Melbourne, yes they are a freak club in the salary cap era, but even Manly managed to be a top side for the best part of a decade. We need to regenerate absolutely, but tragic is is happening in the spine, that's what Melbourne avoided.
HaroldBishop
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Mate we're doing the complete opposite to Souths and Saints. If we snag Moylan we have recruited two high-class players that can break a game open, something we lacked this year. We're improving our list next year.
BlackWhiteBlue
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Dont be over dramatic......
We are 'falling away' due to the squad that won the gf leaving......
Barba.....not the clubs fault, he did it all to himself.
Ennis.....announced his retirement well before the premiership.
Bird......Was always going to be sought after, took big money at a big club, not our fault. we pulled up the reins on that negotiation before it got outta hand
Heighno....was a role player, can get many players to do his job
Maloney.....clearly an ego bigger than any club should entertain. To sign a 3 year deal and after just over a year basically demand a pay rise (regardless of success) is ridiculous. DCE pulled that **** and every player at the club hated him for it.
For the rest of the guys, i think there was a bad sort of arrogance around this year, not to be confused with confidence. We defended so well in most games up til the back end of the year that it almost made up for the penalties and errors. Eventually it caught up with us, and we fell back into our grinding side that couldnt cross the line. Complete and extra 2-3 sets per game our season looked a whole lot better.
Lets face it we had our dream season, the good thing is we know the formula.....we know what it took. It can be done again but it requires all players to be less selfish and think about the main goal. I think some of those guys in the team considered themselves celebrities after winning the gf
We are 'falling away' due to the squad that won the gf leaving......
Barba.....not the clubs fault, he did it all to himself.
Ennis.....announced his retirement well before the premiership.
Bird......Was always going to be sought after, took big money at a big club, not our fault. we pulled up the reins on that negotiation before it got outta hand
Heighno....was a role player, can get many players to do his job
Maloney.....clearly an ego bigger than any club should entertain. To sign a 3 year deal and after just over a year basically demand a pay rise (regardless of success) is ridiculous. DCE pulled that **** and every player at the club hated him for it.
For the rest of the guys, i think there was a bad sort of arrogance around this year, not to be confused with confidence. We defended so well in most games up til the back end of the year that it almost made up for the penalties and errors. Eventually it caught up with us, and we fell back into our grinding side that couldnt cross the line. Complete and extra 2-3 sets per game our season looked a whole lot better.
Lets face it we had our dream season, the good thing is we know the formula.....we know what it took. It can be done again but it requires all players to be less selfish and think about the main goal. I think some of those guys in the team considered themselves celebrities after winning the gf
I see your point mate. We did better and played better than both st George and Souths did after their premierships and will be very competitive next. Not too mention we've made the finals nearly every year flanno has been coach. That might not be considered "dominant" but we've been competitive and in and around the better teams for a long time. That breeds a winning culture and us attractive to superior talent. Look at the players we've been signing at our club over the last 6 years. Graham, carney, Lewis, Maloney, ennis, barba, Dugan now potentially Moylan? Good coaching and good players as well as good management attract talent, and we will continue to do so for the forseabe future.
We will be close to a comp again next year. I don't think you should be worrying as much as you are.
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Moylan wants Cronulla. Cronulla wants Moylan.
The solution is either Cronk goes to Penrith or Penrith are compensated significantly.
From what I am told, Maloney has no intent on signing with Penrith, he wants Newcastle or Warrington. Not to say he won't go to Penrith, but it isn't his preference.
Bulldogs wouldn't release Morris to us as we wouldn't pick up more than 50% of the bill.
Moylan wants Cronulla. Cronulla wants Moylan.
The solution is either Cronk goes to Penrith or Penrith are compensated significantly.
From what I am told, Maloney has no intent on signing with Penrith, he wants Newcastle or Warrington. Not to say he won't go to Penrith, but it isn't his preference.
Bulldogs wouldn't release Morris to us as we wouldn't pick up more than 50% of the bill.
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