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From part my quoted statement on General Discussion.

"The problem with keeping our players, is we have little to no access to 3rd party deals, so the majority of the freight comes off our cap.

We all want to keep these guys together, and sign 2 world class centres, but something has to give.

I have no doubt that if Fifita stays, he will be back ended after 2015, when Gal either moves on, takes a significant pay cut, or goes to boxing, what ever he does.

Our cap was managed for a plan, but teams come in and change plans. Unfortunately, our lack of resources doesn't allow us to have the best plan B.

Its the same question that was asked just before, was asked last year.

Do we lose Todd Carney or Tyrone Peachey to Penrith. Ask yourself what is the best answer.

This year, do we lose Fifita or Wade.

Or do we back end both players and screw ourselves out of signing backs.

Look beneath the surface, not just say "the whole club is ****."



I am really worried that having to make a business decision on Fifita AND Wade could derail our 2014 season more than anything else.
I would like to see us backend Fifita's contract ASAP.
Then wait 6 weeks and see how Wade is travelling this year. If he's the goods backend his contract too.
Stuff worrying about future centres, halves and hookers. Perhaps our 9's talent and other juniors WILL come through and with other impending retirements take care of the other financial drama's.
I'd rather see us united. Than split.
 

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No, but it might not have been a good idea to give an injury prone bloke a contract into old age.

I'm comfortable with 250k per year, that's not too much out of the cap these days. Maybe one year contracts for him would have been more appropriate though given his history.
 

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From part my quoted statement on General Discussion.

"The problem with keeping our players, is we have little to no access to 3rd party deals, so the majority of the freight comes off our cap.

We all want to keep these guys together, and sign 2 world class centres, but something has to give.

I have no doubt that if Fifita stays, he will be back ended after 2015, when Gal either moves on, takes a significant pay cut, or goes to boxing, what ever he does.

Our cap was managed for a plan, but teams come in and change plans. Unfortunately, our lack of resources doesn't allow us to have the best plan B.

Its the same question that was asked just before, was asked last year.

Do we lose Todd Carney or Tyrone Peachey to Penrith. Ask yourself what is the best answer.

This year, do we lose Fifita or Wade.

Or do we back end both players and screw ourselves out of signing backs.

Look beneath the surface, not just say "the whole club is ****."



I am really worried that having to make a business decision on Fifita AND Wade could derail our 2014 season more than anything else.
I would like to see us backend Fifita's contract ASAP.
Then wait 6 weeks and see how Wade is travelling this year. If he's the goods backend his contract too.

Stuff worrying about future centres, halves and hookers. Perhaps our 9's talent and other juniors WILL come through and with other impending retirements take care of the other financial drama's.
I'd rather see us united. Than split.

That's only going to cause more issues down the track.

And not sure how you can say don't worry about backs.
 

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That's only going to cause more issues down the track.

And not sure how you can say don't worry about backs.

I reckon Ashford and Leut's could well be the goods.
Brown and Holmes furure Hooker 5/8 or utility.
I am worried about team harmony if Fifita goes and Wade is'nt re-signed if he's back to best form.
I suppose that is my point.
We apparently still had/have left over Cap for that tilt at Fergo, so some $$ are still there.
 

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We won't lose both Fifita and Wade.

No, BUT even loosing one could split the team as to who should of stayed and who should have gone.
Keep them Both would be my best outcome. IF Wades not powering early 2014 , then form alone could be the reason for letting him go.
Rather than possably being being forced out.
 

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No, BUT even loosing one could split the team as to who should of stayed and who should have gone.
Keep them Both would be my best outcome. IF Wades not powering early 2014 , then form alone could be the reason for letting him go.
Rather than possably being being forced out.

Too much money wrapped up in our pack as I've said previously. Keeping both doesn't help.
 

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All this talk about a good hooker, half or back. If we lose fifita one year then gal the year after plus this asada **** goin on with us we become a brand noone wants to deal with . Fifita is our biggest star atm we had the worst year ever off field last year and only positive news we received was the rise of fifita
lewis is under utilised with cronulla, had his best game for nsw
gal is gal personal numbers look good but after being here when we were **** he forgot how to play within a team
carney had a good year but he doesnt have that x factor no more he has become more of a 7 already
graham had a quiet year and only really appreciated by sharks fans
gordon was safe and showed glimpses but can't blame him because we were easy to defend last year
ayshford isnt a superstar back like hodges,morris and jennings but I see him being very good for us, he turns our **** backline to good imo just need leutele to win the other centre spot
 

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Too much money wrapped up in our pack as I've said previously. Keeping both doesn't help.

Gal retires and frees up 600k that can get us our back and keep fifita and wade. The year after heighno and toops come off contract , theyre both pretty big names and are not needed that becomes $1000000 freed up in forwards but at the same time still have lewis ,fifita ,graham and taga
 

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Gal retires and frees up 600k that can get us our back and keep fifita and wade. The year after heighno and toops come off contract , theyre both pretty big names and are not needed that becomes $1000000 freed up in forwards but at the same time still have lewis ,fifita ,graham and taga

bingo, there is a way to keep both, but its back ending them, which would mean we will have limited room to sign a centre, a winger, a half back (although we have a few in the lower grades) and re-sign cameron smith jnr on his 700,000k that the forum's worth entitles him to.
 

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bingo, there is a way to keep both, but its back ending them, which would mean we will have limited room to sign a centre, a winger, a half back (although we have a few in the lower grades) and re-sign cameron smith jnr on his 700,000k that the forum's worth entitles him to.

We can probably live with that if we can keep ricky, beau, wright and feki who would be relatively cheap besides beau.

Holdsworth can hold his own along with juniors and then brown if we can sign him for a cheap 2-3 deal before he breaks through (assuming lichaa leaves).
 

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As far as i can see the only people holding us back from keeping graham AND fifita seem to be the coaching staff whose job it is to identify these issues and talent and sort it out before problems like this arise.
 

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Well gordon looks like retiring at the end of 2015 and I believe holmes can play firstgrade so thats covered if not gordon was on good money we can buy a pensioner with his money
feki,leutele, ayshford and ryan are prob taking up $1000000pa combined
Plus cap in increasin annual for 5 years til its an extra $1000000 from when fifita signed with us
If we give fifita 650k now its abit of an over but in 4 years time it wont be
 

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Well gordon looks like retiring at the end of 2015 and I believe holmes can play firstgrade so thats covered if not gordon was on good money we can buy a pensioner with his money
feki,leutele, ayshford and ryan are prob taking up $1000000pa combined
Plus cap in increasin annual for 5 years til its an extra $1000000 from when fifita signed with us
If we give fifita 650k now its abit of an over but in 4 years time it wont be

agree, i have already touched on that.

succession planning now is simple

gordon - > holmes
grothe/ryan -> gagan
robson -> stowers/clarke/flanagan - pick the best
lewis -> sopoaga, although he will be in the team anyway
heino -> massima
gallen -> cant replace him, but can find a decent player to get him in
morris - > lichaa
de gois - > brown

add to the fact that guys like robinson, d.fifita, roqica and co would stay on for good cheap depth. maybe d. fifita a bit more to keep his brother.
 

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agree, i have already touched on that.

succession planning now is simple

gordon - > holmes
grothe/ryan -> gagan
robson -> stowers/clarke/flanagan - pick the best
lewis -> sopoaga, although he will be in the team anyway
heino -> massima
gallen -> cant replace him, but can find a decent player to get him in
morris - > lichaa
de gois - > brown

add to the fact that guys like robinson, d.fifita, roqica and co would stay on for good cheap depth. maybe d. fifita a bit more to keep his brother.

our answers to most of our problems are in our club, gal gets replaced by graham and graham we just find a solid second rower to take his place, d fifita can come good then we got 3 beast front rowers.

this club just needs to recognise our jnrs, invest in them and then we can afford that star centre we have been craving
 

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Well gordon looks like retiring at the end of 2015 and I believe holmes can play firstgrade so thats covered if not gordon was on good money we can buy a pensioner with his money
feki,leutele, ayshford and ryan are prob taking up $1000000pa combined
Plus cap in increasin annual for 5 years til its an extra $1000000 from when fifita signed with us
If we give fifita 650k now its abit of an over but in 4 years time it wont be

agree, i have already touched on that.

succession planning now is simple

gordon - > holmes
grothe/ryan -> gagan
robson -> stowers/clarke/flanagan - pick the best
lewis -> sopoaga, although he will be in the team anyway
heino -> massima
gallen -> cant replace him, but can find a decent player to get him in
morris - > lichaa
de gois - > brown

add to the fact that guys like robinson, d.fifita, roqica and co would stay on for good cheap depth. maybe d. fifita a bit more to keep his brother.

Some pretty good analysis there guys.

For me there is still a huge risk in signing a prop to a massive contract who has produced one great season, I need to see it for more than one year to be convinced I'm afraid. If the rumoured figures floating around re Fifita are true my preference would still be to sign a gun back and a half. I guess the question is who would those players be? I'd like us to make a huge push for someone like a Sezer who I believe is off contract at the end of 2015 rather than pay a prop huge money. Get into him now.
 

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agree, i have already touched on that.

succession planning now is simple

gordon - > holmes
grothe/ryan -> gagan
robson -> stowers/clarke/flanagan - pick the best
lewis -> sopoaga, although he will be in the team anyway
heino -> massima
gallen -> cant replace him, but can find a decent player to get him in
morris - > lichaa
de gois - > brown
Flanagan -> ANYONE

add to the fact that guys like robinson, d.fifita, roqica and co would stay on for good cheap depth. maybe d. fifita a bit more to keep his brother.

I fixed it for ya snow :)
 

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bingo. but that would involve backing and playing our juniors... something sharp/flanno dont like doing

In all fairness they don't drop around and give him BJ's when he's suspended.
 
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