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Would you support the jersey with Cross/crucifix on it? Representing the Christian group as part of a jersey of being inclusive?
Are Christian’s a typically marginalised group with are often faced with greater adversity?
Many act like they are but I don’t think it’s historically accurate.

Players have done and continue to mark their strapping tape with religious symbols and references as well as openly pray before and after games and nobody appears to have any issue with that.

People dragging Christianity through the mud atm are the Christians
 

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Are Christian’s a typically marginalised group with are often faced with greater adversity?
Many act like they are but I don’t think it’s historically accurate.


Players have done and continue to mark their strapping tape with religious symbols and references as well as openly pray before and after games and nobody appears to have any issue with that.

People dragging Christianity through the mud atm are the Christians
Is that why 13 people are killed each day due to their faith?


Not to mention Jesus, the first Christian was crucified. Christianity was literally founded on persecution of the apostles and Martyrs.



Not wanting to wear a rainbow jersey is hardly dragging Christianity through the mud.
 

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Is that why 13 people are killed each day due to their faith?


Not to mention Jesus, the first Christian was crucified. Christianity was literally founded on persecution of the apostles and Martyrs.



Not wanting to wear a rainbow jersey is hardly dragging Christianity through the mud.
That’s pretty low compared to a lot of actual marginalised groups I’d suspect, especially relevant to Australia/NZ/Pacific Islands

Being a violence supporting bigot in the name of Christianity doesn’t do it any favours in a lot of people eyes but you’re right, overall Christianity is still doing fine.

Wasn’t Jesus a Jew? Now that’s a religion that’s faced some hard times
 

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That’s pretty low compared to a lot of actual marginalised groups I’d suspect, especially relevant to Australia/NZ/Pacific Islands

Being a violence supporting bigot in the name of Christianity doesn’t do it any favours in a lot of people eyes but you’re right, overall Christianity is still doing fine.

Wasn’t Jesus a Jew? Now that’s a religion that’s faced some hard times
Your the one doing the name calling. The manly players have done two things. Not want to wear a Jersey with a rainbow on it (no big deal) support a friend they have known since a child. None of them have come out and said they support stabbing.
 
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Would you support the jersey with Cross/crucifix on it? Representing the Christian group as part of a jersey of being inclusive?
I certainly wouldn't stand down and not play because of it. But I don't think it's necessary for the same reason that a Caucasian jersey, or a Men in league jersey isn't necessary. The Christian community is very much an accepted part of rugby league as is evidenced by the prayer circles on the field etc.

The LGBT community is not (at least not to the same degree), as evidenced by the warriors player being stood down for slurs on field, plus the uproar and vulgar messaging on social media surrounding this issue. Like it or not, there is a significant portion of the RL community that isn't inclusive to this portion of society.

You don't have to agree with the way they live their lives, but they deserve to be included. And in what has traditionally been a white, working-class male community, sometimes you need to make an effort to make people feel included instead of just assuming by not saying we dislike you you should feel included.
 
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Your the one doing the name calling. The manly players have done two things. Not want to wear a Jersey with a rainbow on it (no big deal) support a friend they have known since a child. None of them have come out and said they support stabbing.
No they haven't, they are supporting Fainu in feeling like he still included in their community despite the choice he made. The same way they could wear a rainbow jersey to make LGBT+ people feel included, without supporting their specific choices or sexuality.

But they chose not to, not because of their religion, but because of prejudice, naivety or stupidity using faith as a cover. I don't know which one, but none are a good enough excuse to not be inclusive.
 

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Is that why 13 people are killed each day due to their faith?


Not to mention Jesus, the first Christian was crucified. Christianity was literally founded on persecution of the apostles and Martyrs.



Not wanting to wear a rainbow jersey is hardly dragging Christianity through the mud.
70 countries criminalise same-sex relationships.
The death penalty for same-sex relationships is either ‘allowed’, or evidence of its existence occurs, in 11 of these countries.

That's pretty ****ed up.
And so is the stat you shared.
 

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Not to mention Jesus, the first Christian was crucified. Christianity was literally founded on persecution of the apostles and Martyrs.
roflmfao, its 2022 and this absolute nonsense is still thrown out proudly by its supporters. I pity the fools.
 

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70 countries criminalise same-sex relationships.
The death penalty for same-sex relationships is either ‘allowed’, or evidence of its existence occurs, in 11 of these countries.

That's pretty ****ed up.
And so is the stat you shared.

This is very sad and messed up too. No denying it.
 

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No they haven't, they are supporting Fainu in feeling like he still included in their community despite the choice he made. The same way they could wear a rainbow jersey to make LGBT+ people feel included, without supporting their specific choices or sexuality.

But they chose not to, not because of their religion, but because of prejudice, naivety or stupidity using faith as a cover. I don't know which one, but none are a good enough excuse to not be inclusive.
Only difference is they are showing support for a community they are actually part of and I would say they probably aren't part of the LGBTIQ community.
 

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I suggest you use a thesaurus. The opposite of inclusion is exclusion and nobody said they wanted to exclude the LGBITQ community.
Well they sure didn't come out in support.

All this aside, they chose to let their team mates down. That alone is bad enough for me. Good thing it's happening to Manly.
 
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I suggest you use a thesaurus. The opposite of inclusion is exclusion and nobody said they wanted to exclude the LGBITQ community.
Haha that is such a cop out.

Would you support white players in choosing not to wear the indigenous jersey?
 
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I suggest you use a thesaurus. The opposite of inclusion is exclusion and nobody said they wanted to exclude the LGBITQ community.
Let's jump back to this actually. Let's say you're a young gay league player like in the story mentioned here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/n...-stars-boycotting-game-NRLs-pride-jersey.html

You're telling me, that seeing 7 of your colleagues, actively oppose a jersey that supported the inclusion of your community, would not make you feel excluded within the club in anyway?
 

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Let's jump back to this actually. Let's say you're a young gay league player like in the story mentioned here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/n...-stars-boycotting-game-NRLs-pride-jersey.html

You're telling me, that seeing 7 of your colleagues, actively oppose a jersey that supported the inclusion of your community, would not make you feel excluded within the club in anyway?
The club could have avoided this to begin with by perhaps consulting the playing group.

Nothing is stopping him from putting a rainbow flag on his strapping. (like those who chose to put a cross on it)
 
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