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It does sound like there's plenty of scope within their religion to at least co-exist with aspects of life that are not in line with their faith, such as gambling and alchohol. Being selective about which ones you're okay with and not is discriminatory. It's impossible to find a way around that in any efforts to be understanding and inclusive of their religious beliefs.

Having said that, I think if it were handled better and in a more respectful way of the starting point for their feelings about the issue we would have seen a different result. Like the Women's round being allowed to be its own round... one of these guys may even have brought it up!
Most Christians don't have an issue with alcohol it is not prohibited to drink. But you are not supposed to get drunk. Gambling I don't think you are supposed do but even with that it is similar to drinking. Bet on cup day don't loose your house type of thing.

Personally I hate all the gambling ads. Does my head in and I think adds a lot of potential corruption into the game.
 

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It does sound like there's plenty of scope within their religion to at least co-exist with aspects of life that are not in line with their faith, such as gambling and alchohol. Being selective about which ones you're okay with and not is discriminatory. It's impossible to find a way around that in any efforts to be understanding and inclusive of their religious beliefs.

Having said that, I think if it were handled better and in a more respectful way of the starting point for their feelings about the issue we would have seen a different result. Like the Women's round being allowed to be its own round... one of these guys may even have brought it up!
Yep. Hard to sympathise with them when they play with POINTSBET on their jersey every week, and out of 4 Pines Park every second week.

Homophobic and hypocritical.
 

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Interesting. Maybe they thought the pride jersey was made using two different materials?
 

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So the players mentioned are Catholic or Anglican? I really don't know.

If they're from the calvinist-style churches there's a good chance they stick pretty close to old testament doctrines.

If they're Mormon or Latter Day Saints I don't think there'd be much drinking or gambling going on either.
 

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So the players mentioned are Catholic or Anglican? I really don't know.

If they're from the calvinist-style churches there's a good chance they stick pretty close to old testament doctrines.

If they're Mormon or Latter Day Saints I don't think there'd be much drinking or gambling going on either.
Think at least some of these guys latter day, others could be Mormon.

It does sound like there's plenty of scope within their religion to at least co-exist with aspects of life that are not in line with their faith, such as gambling and alchohol. Being selective about which ones you're okay with and not is discriminatory. It's impossible to find a way around that in any efforts to be understanding and inclusive of their religious beliefs.

Having said that, I think if it were handled better and in a more respectful way of the starting point for their feelings about the issue we would have seen a different result. Like the Women's round being allowed to be its own round... one of these guys may even have brought it up!
I think we all know that wouldn’t have happened
 
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Just because someone does not agree with their lifestyle choices doesn't make them a homophobe. The word homophobe means they dislike or prejudice against them. They actually haven't said anywhere that they dislike people or want anything bad to happen to them or prejudice against them, just not wear a jersey of support. Big difference.

Pretty sure standing up for ones beliefs is not a cowardly act weather you or I or anybody else agrees with them or not. Coward definition "a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things." Pretty sure they did the opposite of a cowardly act as they knew it would be unpleasant for them.

Honestly should keep all of the moral and political bullshit out of the game. I have said it before, your inclusive jersey is the club jersey.
Not supporting the inclusion of a specific group of people to the game they play seems like prejudice to me.

What's cowardly is using religion as the scape goat. As discussed when this came up the first time, there is a long list of things the bible prohibits, or discusses as sins. Ranging from tattoos, gambling and getting drunk to homosexuality to stabbing people. Selecting which of these you practice or don't to suit your lifestyle is fine, but that's your personal choice. You can't say you believe just these things because your religion dictates it. If you're flexible in your beliefs it's because of your own personal opinions and choices, not because of your religion.

If Jesus was reincarnated as a pacific islander rugby league player, you'd bet your bottom dollar he'd don that rainbow jersey and show every single person they were worth being loved and included.
 

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So the players mentioned are Catholic or Anglican? I really don't know.

If they're from the calvinist-style churches there's a good chance they stick pretty close to old testament doctrines.

If they're Mormon or Latter Day Saints I don't think there'd be much drinking or gambling going on either.
There's nothing in the Old Testament (or the New Testament) that prohibits drinking. Mormons aren't supposed to drink alcohol (or coffee or tea for that matter), however the justification for this doesn't come from the Bible.
 
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If only it were possible to show support for a friend, without condoning every action of said friend.
Absolutely it is, and they absolutely should support their friend like Fifita supported his. I was just pointing out that it doesn't track if you're going to use the good book as your basis for decision making.
 

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If Jesus was reincarnated as a pacific islander rugby league player, you'd bet your bottom dollar he'd don that rainbow jersey and show every single person they were worth being loved and included.
I thought Rugby Union was the game they played in Heaven?
 

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There's nothing in the Old Testament (or the New Testament) that prohibits drinking. Mormons aren't supposed to drink alcohol (or coffee or tea for that matter), however the justification for this doesn't come from the Bible.
The thing about the Bible is that there are plenty of contradictions. I just quickly googled and you'll see them here https://www.openbible.info/topics/alcohol

It all depends which particular angle the church wants to cling to. There are so many ambiguities that there is always a quote that can be used to prove your point.

The trouble all started with the printing machine, meaning that people didn't need to depend on religious 'scholars' to tell them what was in it.
 

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Absolutely it is, and they absolutely should support their friend like Fifita supported his. I was just pointing out that it doesn't track if you're going to use the good book as your basis for decision making.
I do think there is space to remain supportive of a friend, depending the extent of their crime and I guess how remorseful for it they are.

The NRL is not a platform for that though.
They have other ways they can communicate with their friend.
How remorseful he is when he’s still trying to claim he didn’t do it is dubious.
 

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Not supporting the inclusion of a specific group of people to the game they play seems like prejudice to me.

What's cowardly is using religion as the scape goat. As discussed when this came up the first time, there is a long list of things the bible prohibits, or discusses as sins. Ranging from tattoos, gambling and getting drunk to homosexuality to stabbing people. Selecting which of these you practice or don't to suit your lifestyle is fine, but that's your personal choice. You can't say you believe just these things because your religion dictates it. If you're flexible in your beliefs it's because of your own personal opinions and choices, not because of your religion.

If Jesus was reincarnated as a pacific islander rugby league player, you'd bet your bottom dollar he'd don that rainbow jersey and show every single person they were worth being loved and included.
Would you support the jersey with Cross/crucifix on it? Representing the Christian group as part of a jersey of being inclusive?
 

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Not sure many people in the Northern Beaches understand the Gang stuff in some parts of Jnr Footy. Only last yr wasn't it Manly SG Ball/Jf players fighting amongst themselves at a trial. Manly the Club however, are well aware of the Rubbish, and have been for 2 yrs. Hasslers supporting Comments on Fainu just might come back to haunt him.
 
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