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Just as a refresher while we are on this subject - Brent Naden of the panthers tested positive post 2020 Grand Final to cocaine and copped a 4 week suspension

The interesting thing was it literally was a 4 week time period suspension (backdated) , not a 4 game ban. His suspension was served over Dec 2020 in the off season and he was allowed back at training / competition from Jan this year
He was tested by ASADA though and I think Panthers imposed a games suspension on him, like the NRL as imposing a suspension of games on these guys.
 

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Do you fellas really believe thats justification for players to be above the law and posses and use ILLEGAL drugs??? This is assuming that they used the alleged illegal drugs that were on the table of course.
I don't believe any adult needs a justification for taking drugs. Your choice, go for it, or don't. Legal/illegal isn't something I care about. Personal use will only attract a fine which means its legal for a price lol
 

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I don't believe any adult needs a justification for taking drugs. Your choice, go for it, or don't. Legal/illegal isn't something I care about. Personal use will only attract a fine which means its legal for a price lol

Not really keen to get into why pretending the law doesn’t apply to you isn’t overly realistic in a civilised society as that’s a pandora’s box in all of itself. But at the end of the day our opinions on what laws are justified and what laws aren’t are completely irrelevant.

Cocaine use is illegal in this country, everybody is aware of that and understands that whether they agree with it or not. One day it might change, but it hasn’t yet. If you’ve got a high profile and associate yourself it then you’ve got no one to blame but yourself for the coming consequences.

These guys have too much at stake to risk everything for what? A hit of coke? Please. It’s a mistake these guys shouldn’t be making in 2021 with all the education they have now and all the examples that have been made on the guys that have come before them. “Boys will be boys” doesn’t wash for me with what these guys have at stake, they NEED to be smarter, or surround themselves with better mates.
 

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Not really keen to get into why pretending the law doesn’t apply to you isn’t overly realistic in a civilised society as that’s a pandora’s box in all of itself. But at the end of the day our opinions on what laws are justified and what laws aren’t are completely irrelevant.

Cocaine use is illegal in this country, everybody is aware of that and understands that whether they agree with it or not. One day it might change, but it hasn’t yet. If you’ve got a high profile and associate yourself it then you’ve got no one to blame but yourself for the coming consequences.

These guys have too much at stake to risk everything for what? A hit of coke? Please. It’s a mistake these guys shouldn’t be making in 2021 with all the education they have now and all the examples that have been made on the guys that have come before them. “Boys will be boys” doesn’t wash for me with what these guys have at stake, they NEED to be smarter, or surround themselves with better mates.
I never said law doesn't apply to me, just that the legal status of something doesn't play much into whether I do something or not. I'll never steal from or hurt or put another person in danger but I don't need a law to deter from me from that. I will possess & use whatever substance I wish regardless of the law's view on it.

As such I can't conjure up a single solitary **** to give about any other adult who chooses to do the same, footballer, chef, tradie, banker, florist, housewife whatever.

I agree they gotta be smarter. Like I said they'll be punished for the bad look. People bang on about "but its ILLEGAL" but if they weren't footballers I doubt anyone blinks over video of a young person possibly doing cocaine at a party. Would you call the police if your neighbour had a party & you saw some people racking up as you hung the wash? If not then I don't think the illegality of the situation is that important to you.

EDIT: FTR I don't even drink coffee anymore let alone hit the marching powder so this isn't me just wanting to have my coke & snort it too.
 
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**** the bell. Ring it if they win, not before.

One team shouldn't be able to have their own ceremony before the match.
They do every game running out to glory glory. ****en weird lot.

Glory glory might put some lead in Capewell's pencil before kickoff too.
 
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Taking illegal drugs ruins lives. I've seen it happen to family and close friends.

I count myself damn lucky I've never been tempted to do it.

For me when I was younger, hearing stories of people shooting up heroin with a syringe put me off it permanently.

I just couldn't see what they got out of it and it looked damn frightening.

When I was 16 my mother got me involved in the local theatre company to get me away from the "bad company" I'd been keeping. I think she was worried I'd get into drugs. The ironic thing was that drug use was just as prevalent in the theatre!

I've seen people smoke dope, snort coke, inject heroin and plenty of other things. Only one of my mates from that early era came out the other side. Others did rehab, were institutionalised, some went off their scone with schizophrenia and never recovered.

I'm all for free choice and the right for people to do what they want. I don't care if they break the law as long as they know they have to take the responsibility for it.

I'm trying to educate my 11 year old son now on this same issue and thankfully, for now, he seems to think it just as abhorrent as I do. Hopefully that continues.

Because I would hate to see my son ruin his life like plenty of those in times gone by.
 

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I never said law doesn't apply to me, just that the legal status of something doesn't play much into whether I do something or not. I will possess & use whatever substance I wish regardless of the law's view on it.

Sorry, but that sounds like the same thing mate.

I'll never steal from or hurt or put another person in danger but I don't need a law to deter from me from that.

Yeah I had you figured for a teddy bear ;)


I agree they gotta be smarter. Like I said they'll be punished for the bad look. People bang on about "but its ILLEGAL" but if they weren't footballers I doubt anyone blinks over video of a young person possibly doing cocaine at a party. Would you call the police if your neighbour had a party & you saw some people racking up as you hung the wash? If not then I don't think the illegality of the situation is that important to you.

Absolutely I have several times and I would again in a heartbeat. Considering the little pricks were attacking my dog in a coked up craze. Not everyone can handle it, those pricks should never touch the stuff again.

Anyway, this isnt meant to be a personal thing against you Cap. This is me just throwing my hands in the air at how these guys keep jeopardising their million dollar contracts all for a simple hit of blow. Whether we believe its wrong or not the fact is these guys are educated on the consequences of this and they have seen whats happened to guys like Barba. yet they’re still dumb enough to tempt fate. Does my head in.
 
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Sorry, but that sounds like the same thing mate.
Yeah I mean I don't feel the law doesn't apply to me or I'm above it, it's just not a deterrent more an obstacle. If I'm careless enough to be busted I'll wear it. I'll buy a baggy & risk a fine, but I won't import 300kgs & risk 30yrs but if I really felt I could I probably would lol
Yeah I had you figured for a teddy bear ;)
Wanna cuddle? 😘 I won't get a boner if you don't.
Absolutely I have several times and I would again in a heartbeat. Considering the little pricks were attacking my dog in a coked up craze. Not everyone can handle it, those pricks should never touch the stuff again.

Anyway, this isnt meant to be a personal thing against you Cap. This is me just throwing my hands in the air at how these guys keep jeopardising their million dollar contracts all for a simple hit of blow. Whether we believe its wrong or not the fact is these guys are educated on the consequences of this and they have seen whats happened to guys like Barba. yet they’re still dumb enough to tempt fate. Does my head in.

hahaha ok you obviously got **** neighbours but if they were otherwise good respectable no trouble neighbours would it be a problem for you? If I was your neighbour & caused no dramas, we give each other a wave & "up up" when we see one another. I have a GF BBQ & you spot me having a bump between flipping snags - you calling it in?

Nothing personal and no feeling of "against" me, mate. We're just having a yarn & sharing opinions.
 

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Taking illegal drugs ruins lives. I've seen it happen to family and close friends.

I count myself damn lucky I've never been tempted to do it.

For me when I was younger, hearing stories of people shooting up heroin with a syringe put me off it permanently.

I just couldn't see what they got out of it and it looked damn frightening.

When I was 16 my mother got me involved in the local theatre company to get me away from the "bad company" I'd been keeping. I think she was worried I'd get into drugs. The ironic thing was that drug use was just as prevalent in the theatre!

I've seen people smoke dope, snort coke, inject heroin and plenty of other things. Only one of my mates from that early era came out the other side. Others did rehab, were institutionalised, some went off their scone with schizophrenia and never recovered.

I'm all for free choice and the right for people to do what they want. I don't care if they break the law as long as they know they have to take the responsibility for it.

I'm trying to educate my 11 year old son now on this same issue and thankfully, for now, he seems to think it just as abhorrent as I do. Hopefully that continues.

Because I would hate to see my son ruin his life like plenty of those in times gone by.
All fair & unfortunately true, Chad.

When drugs become a dependence things get crook. When things get crook people turn to drugs. When they get caught we punish them & make things crooker. Seeing a pattern? People with a drug problem need help not a criminal conviction.

It's inevitable that your boy will encounter drugs. It's proven prohibition & scare campaigns don't work. Education & understanding are the best tools to arm your kid with. Unfortunately we have governments opposed to things like pill testing which undoubtedly educates & saves lives by providing more ability to make an informed choice.

Be careful not to demonise drugs so much that if he does do it or his mates do & things go pear shaped he's not afraid to call on you or someone else. Too many ****ers hesitate calling help because they're scared of getting in trouble while their mate dies.
 

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All fair & unfortunately true, Chad.

When drugs become a dependence things get crook. When things get crook people turn to drugs. When they get caught we punish them & make things crooker. Seeing a pattern? People with a drug problem need help not a criminal conviction.

It's inevitable that your boy will encounter drugs. It's proven prohibition & scare campaigns don't work. Education & understanding are the best tools to arm your kid with. Unfortunately we have governments opposed to things like pill testing which undoubtedly educates & saves lives by providing more ability to make an informed choice.

Be careful not to demonise drugs so much that if he does do it or his mates do & things go pear shaped he's not afraid to call on you or someone else. Too many ****ers hesitate calling help because they're scared of getting in trouble while their mate dies.

I would say Australia does prohibition very badly. Australia is very soft on drugs. Prohibition works very well in places like Singapore where there is an actual punishment. Most people get caught with small amounts of drugs get sweet **** all. Not saying education doesn't work. Australia doesn't do either well.
 

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Just really feels like given the known risks to them (yes I’m talking financial and rep not health) how hard would have been to just not do any coke.

Being an NRL player comes with certain expectations and realities that I don’t think are that unreasonable given the payday a lot of these guys get.

I reckon I would have happily pulled my head in a bit when I was younger if I had a couple hundred thousand on the line.
 

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Yeah I mean I don't feel the law doesn't apply to me or I'm above it, it's just not a deterrent more an obstacle. If I'm careless enough to be busted I'll wear it. I'll buy a baggy & risk a fine, but I won't import 300kgs & risk 30yrs but if I really felt I could I probably would lol

I think I understand.

Wanna cuddle? 😘 I won't get a boner if you don't.

No promises about the boner. ;)

hahaha ok you obviously got **** neighbours but if they were otherwise good respectable no trouble neighbours would it be a problem for you? If I was your neighbour & caused no dramas, we give each other a wave & "up up" when we see one another. I have a GF BBQ & you spot me having a bump between flipping snags - you calling it in?

Nothing personal and no feeling of "against" me, mate. We're just having a yarn & sharing opinions.

I dont live next to them now thank ****. As for you, probably not, providing your not.
1. Doing it in front of my young daughter.
2. Not going mental smashing **** up.
3. Dusting a bit on my snag you’ve got cooking there.
I haven’t really been in that kind of situation to be honest, that is having the kind of neighbour you described, having a partner whos father is involved in that kind of law enforcement does focus my view a bit.
 

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I would say Australia does prohibition very badly. Australia is very soft on drugs. Prohibition works very well in places like Singapore where there is an actual punishment. Most people get caught with small amounts of drugs get sweet **** all. Not saying education doesn't work. Australia doesn't do either well.
Yeah lets kill people for drug crimes like Singapore...

FMD

If the drugs don't ruin you the law certainly will!
 
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All fair & unfortunately true, Chad.

When drugs become a dependence things get crook. When things get crook people turn to drugs. When they get caught we punish them & make things crooker. Seeing a pattern? People with a drug problem need help not a criminal conviction.

It's inevitable that your boy will encounter drugs. It's proven prohibition & scare campaigns don't work. Education & understanding are the best tools to arm your kid with. Unfortunately we have governments opposed to things like pill testing which undoubtedly educates & saves lives by providing more ability to make an informed choice.

Be careful not to demonise drugs so much that if he does do it or his mates do & things go pear shaped he's not afraid to call on you or someone else. Too many ****ers hesitate calling help because they're scared of getting in trouble while their mate dies.
Thanks Cap. I understand all that. I don’t think there’s any simple solution unfortunately, the spectre of drugs will always be around.

I know my boy will come into contact with this down the line but I pray we’ll find the right pathway to avoid any unpleasantness.
 
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