HaroldBishop
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Who says it's not?Glad it is a coincidence and not a sign we have another 28 seasons to go for next premiership.
Who says it's not?Glad it is a coincidence and not a sign we have another 28 seasons to go for next premiership.
Me.Who says it's not?
Longer?
My magic 8 ball didn't elaborate.Longer?
What about your crystal ball then?My magic 8 ball didn't elaborate.
“There is a common misconception that introducing bodychecking at an early age can help prevent injuries such as concussion by ensuring that children are skilled in how to withstand a bodycheck, when in fact there is no data to support this,” the study said.
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing mate.This one is not Rugby League specific, but is relevant.
A Canadian concussion expert has recommended that bodychecking is introduced at 18. Currently it is 14 for some leagues.
Very similar to the discussion around raising the age for introducing tackling in Rugby League. Currently it is half way through u8’s, with safe play code until my the end of u15’s. A concussion expert recently recommended that this is changed to after a player’s 14th birthday (no tackling until 15’s).
There is a slightly different focus in the research. RL guy was looking at CTE (long term effects) whereas hockey guy is looking at PCS (short to medium term effects).
New study recommends youth hockey leagues ban bodychecking until age 18 | TSN
Canadian neurosurgeon Charles Tator says too many young players are suffering the effects of brain trauma from permitted bodychecking, Rick Westhead writes.www.tsn.ca
I think it is inevitable that these changes will be made. Just a matter of time. Could be 5 years, could be 25, but it will happen.
This is probably the most interesting quote. Imo this is the same for tackling.
How many ball carriers do you see left stiff & twitching after hitups compared to defenders collecting shoulders & hips? Its absolutely true IMO.I think Gus mentioned that more HIA's we're occurring with the defenders... Not sure if that's right.
This hockey study says otherwise though. No evidence to suggest that early exposure to the contact/technique decreases injuries later on.My gut is thinking that introducing tackling at that late age might create safety issues of it's own. It's really late to be developing such a core skill and I can't see tackling bags and videos making up the difference.
It's actually the reverse. When they introduced no-tackle footy in Qld in 2019 for u6-u8, there was a massive social media outcry, and a slight drop in participation for young boys aged 5-6 (which could indicate the "old school" mentality you mentioned) but there was increased participation in boys 7-11, and steady numbers for u12. There was also a 20+ % increase in participation for girls across all ages 5-12.I think it'd end up having a negative effect on junior participation too. Sounds odd... but I don't think you'd get more parents opting in (as the pathway is still to contact) and you'd lose some of the base. Let's face it, there's plenty out there who put their kids into league because they think it's tough and they're old school in their thinking.
The rest of the argument/research aside and I'm no hockey expert but bodycheck seems like a less technical thing to learn than good tackle technique?This hockey study says otherwise though. No evidence to suggest that early exposure to the contact/technique decreases injuries later on.
Double down and play two sports but also learn to tackleIf you been tackling with technique and honing that from 8 I can't believe you're not gonna be better than the lad who starts at 16.
Interesting. Happy to defer to people who have looked into this with scientific rigour, it's great to see we already have so much research taking place.This hockey study says otherwise though. No evidence to suggest that early exposure to the contact/technique decreases injuries later on.
The cross-skills idea defininely feels like it makes sense. Different skills, experiences and perspectives, that sort of thing.There is also mountain of research across many sports that says sport-specific skills don't really matter until you are 16-17. It is counterintuitive I know, but the research says that you are more likely to be good at "sport x" from 17-up if you play multiple sports to develop a range of skills. If you have good flexibility, timing, reaction time, coordination, fitness, strength etc. when you are 16, learning how to tackle is just a small step.
I don't think I would have been able to tackle in the forwards at 18yo if I hadn't grown up doing it... probably due to a lack of the aformentioned... my eyes shut and go to my happy place approach relied purely on muscle memory.Teaching a 12yo kid to tackle when he doesn't have those skills already is... challenging.
Seems to work in AusKick for the AFL. My boy can't wait for the grappling(?) next year.There definitely would need to be a staged approach to it, like there is in u8's now. Going from "no tackling" to "everyone tackles at the start of u16's" is not the way to go.
I refuse to have QLD'ers represent me in any way.It's actually the reverse. When they introduced no-tackle footy in Qld in 2019 for u6-u8, there was a massive social media outcry, and a slight drop in participation for young boys aged 5-6 (which could indicate the "old school" mentality you mentioned) but there was increased participation in boys 7-11, and steady numbers for u12. There was also a 20+ % increase in participation for girls across all ages 5-12.
Not sure if you know this, but you're not using full stops anymore...The rest of the argument/research aside and I'm no hockey expert but bodycheck seems like a less technical thing to learn than good tackle technique?
In saying that I never had good tackle 'technique' and my defence was pretty good
Double down and play two sports but also learn to tackle
Interestingly, the 'body check' is outlawed in Rugby League as being too dangerous.The rest of the argument/research aside and I'm no hockey expert but bodycheck seems like a less technical thing to learn than good tackle technique?
In saying that I never had good tackle 'technique' and my defence was pretty good
Double down and play two sports but also learn to tackle
Bull riderDouble down and play two sports but also learn to tackle
That's a good point, with lower participation rates here we have joint U15/16 and U17/18I don't think I would have been able to tackle in the forwards at 18yo if I hadn't grown up doing it... probably due to a lack of the aformentioned... my eyes shut and go to my happy place approach relied purely on muscle memory.
That's because I never fully stop talking ****Not sure if you know this, but you're not using full stops anymore...
Probably confidence rather than technique though. If you'd started at 15 do you think you still would have kept up?I don't think I would have been able to tackle in the forwards at 18yo if I hadn't grown up doing it... probably due to a lack of the aforementioned... my eyes shut and go to my happy place approach relied purely on muscle memory.
I'll check again on Nov 1 after you are a Dolphins fan...I refuse to have QLD'ers represent me in any way.
I think with hockey it is almost always the player on the receiving end. The argument is that getting used to being hit will lead to less injuries later.The rest of the argument/research aside and I'm no hockey expert but bodycheck seems like a less technical thing to learn than good tackle technique?
Hard to say. I mean, I was willing to do it at one point. If Dad was there telling me there'd be no Timezone if I didn't try then I would, for sure. There was plenty more technique than talent or brute strength in play, and I could imagine a lot of kids who wouldn't have had the chance to learn would be put off by getting steamrolled and bashed about. Plus I think you need to be conditioned into it, and 15 is a tough age to get that conditioning. The naturally talented kids would probably beat you to a spot too... it'd be pretty disheartening for a lot of kids.Probably confidence rather than technique though. If you'd started at 15 do you think you still would have kept up?
I am definitely not speaking with Wayne...I'll check again on Nov 1 after you are a Dolphins fan...