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Shortfin Mako · Nov 29, 2023

BurgoShark said:
Panthers, Manly and first Warriors game each had 2 tries against from kicks. Can’t say the defence was perfect, but also can’t put the loss on poor defence if someone doesn’t field a kick or the opposition gets a golden bounce.

Second Warriors game defence was great until Wilton went off. **** the bed after that.

Worst defensive efforts of the season imo were first halves v Storm and Dolphins.

I think this is it: We lost our resilience. Attack or defence, we come undone very easily.

Wiz · Nov 29, 2023

Shortfin Mako said:
I am not comparing him to John Morris. I just try to look at it independently. Having said that, I do not think JM could have recruited Hynes and Finucane. You can argue the latter's contribution but at the time we were happy.

I do not think comparing him to JM does any good. It's best to let go. This is his 3rd year and we expect to see some positive results - not just making the finals on the back of soft draws.

I know I’m just saying we haven’t gained much since hiring Fitz over JMO - there are definite faults Fitz has brought us so far I brought up in my comment

To your point - Hynes went to the highest bidder (us) & Finucane hasn’t provided much for us.. I don’t think many would be sad if we traded him tomorrow

Fitz has had it his way for the last 2 years and still we didn’t improve this year, let’s see what happens next season

Shortfin Mako · Nov 29, 2023

Wiz said:
I know I’m just saying we haven’t gained much since hiring Fitz over JMO - there are definite faults Fitz has brought us so far I brought up in my comment

To your point - Hynes went to the highest bidder (us) & Finucane hasn’t provided much for us.. I don’t think many would be sad if we traded him tomorrow

Fitz has had it his way for the last 2 years and still we didn’t improve this year, let’s see what happens next season

You guys know the history much better than I do: So a genuine question - How long did Bellamy take to establish the culture they have right now at Storm?

Wiz · Nov 29, 2023

Shortfin Mako said:
Hannay is the QLD attack coach and they kick NSW butt all over the place so I do not think he is the problem.

Maybe it was a cultural issue and now that the "old guard" is gone, things may change. We need to wait and see.

Qld is littered with stars on the field especially in the halves and legends in the coaching set up

Hannay doesn’t have that at the Sharks ; you need to measure what he’s brought to the Sharks not what he’s brought to QLD in a star studded set-up

I find that we struggle against top teams in attack, we look lost when plan A doesn’t work

Flanno · Nov 29, 2023

Jaz said:
You'd have to! I went up for Magic Round in 2021 when we got smashed by the Rabbitohs. 20-6 at halftime.

Magic Round is a lot of fun but I'm torn about next year. Can't stand losing to the Roosters.

Yeah we have such a **** magic round record

Gumby · Nov 29, 2023

Sharkfox said:
Change the assistants, start with Hannay, shouldve let him go after being interim. Both him and Fitz seem similar in their manner, decision making and approach to coaching. Not blaming Hannay for our failures, but need someone new in the coaching staff, with a fresh view and footy brain that can add something new or switch up how we play.

Price and Holdsworth would be the ones I’d move on. Hannay being around the origin set up is only going to benefit us. I would be looking at a couple of new assistants but to change things up, shake a few feathers etc

Gumby · Nov 29, 2023

James Maloney would have been the assistant/halves coach I would have fought to get here.

Sharkfox · Nov 30, 2023

XGinga said:
Soooo overrated that Billy Slater chooses to have him coach along side him and Cameron Smith. 5th best attacking side of last year and only 26 points behind first. Our attack must be horrible...

We even improved from the year before where we were 7th. Hannay must not be doing anything and is crap at his job.

Fitz was most likely asked hey do you want to start fresh with completely new staff or do you want Hannay the guys that knows this team and how the players work as you assistant. By the looks of things he was happy with him staying.
Like I said in my reply. Hannay and Fitz may seem laid back to the media. You have no idea what happens behind closed doors.

Tell me three other assistants being chased right now to be head coach. Do you know how many assistant coaches are in the league? Probably at least 50. All of them must be crap because the 17 clubs aren't chasing all of them to be their head coach.

And maybe Hannay has been asked to be head coach somewhere and has advised he does not want to be a head coach. Which is why his name is never mentioned.

Yeah why not, lets choose the coach that hasn't been in an NRL system since 2015 as our assistant. Instead of the current QLD maroons attack coach and a coach that has been in our system. Game has changed a lot since 2015 but I am sure he will be fine.

This will be Fitz third year and we have made finals in both his first two. Let him and Hannay cook.

5th and 7th best attacking team against weak teams. Nothing special about our attack against inform teams

Fitz did want him to stay on for that reason, helping him transition into his new job. Was it the right decision though. Did we improve this year or regress, find out after next season what they can really do after those 2 years.

As for maroons, qld is stacked with star players, and now a supergroup of ex origin stars, assistants and mentors part of the coaching set up. All those footy brains and origin experience together, especially those who played in the last decade makes a difference. Wasnt Hannay Walters assistant in 2019.

Lets hope Fitz and Him dont get over cooked next season with their decision making. Otherwise shake things up and get a new assistant. Broncos did that and got Ballin, and kept Carty to assist Kevy, they were a different team this year

Western Sharkie · Nov 30, 2023

Wal

Sharkfox said:
5th and 7th best attacking team against weak teams. Nothing special about our attack against inform teams

Fitz did want him to stay on for that reason, helping him transition into his new job. Was it the right decision though. Did we improve this year or regress, find out after next season what they can really do after those 2 years.

As for maroons, qld is stacked with star players, and now a supergroup of ex origin stars, assistants and mentors part of the coaching set up. All those footy brains and origin experience together, especially those who played in the last decade makes a difference. Wasnt Hannay Walters assistant in 2019.

Let’s hope Fitz and Him dont get over cooked next season with their decision making. Otherwise shake things up and get a new assistant. Broncos did that and got Ballin, and kept Carty to assist Kevy, they were a different team this year

Walsh and Mam helped somewhat.

HaroldBishop · Nov 30, 2023

Western Sharkie said:
Wal

Walsh and Mam helped somewhat.

Just a little bit

BurgoShark · Nov 30, 2023

Carrigan and Farnworth being available all year didn’t hurt either.

Sharkfox · Nov 30, 2023

Their defense and resilience changed and improved. Last year they would fade out in games and had weaknesses in their defensive structures. Ballin played a big part focussing on defense. He also helped with the attack.
Defense was part of our dna also, would've been good if we got Ennis as an assistant to try bring it back. Defense should be our main focus on the off season and next year

Proud Shark · Nov 30, 2023

Sharkfox said:
Their defense and resilience changed and improved. Last year they would fade out in games and had weaknesses in their defensive structures. Ballin played a big part focussing on defense. He also helped with the attack.
Defense was part of our dna also, would've been good if we got Ennis as an assistant to try bring it back. Defense should be our main focus on the off season and next year.

Genuine question, why would Ennis bring it back? Just because he defended well? Gal's down there all the time and was a great defender too, alongside Fifita and I think Lewis sometimes from that 2016 side that defended well. Not sure Ennis would make a difference.

IMO, our defence was poor because we often allowed second phase/quick play the balls through the middle. We did that because our middle forwards were barely ever fit. Give us a full season with our first choice pack and I think we'd see significant improvement.

HaroldBishop · Nov 30, 2023

Proud Shark said:
Genuine question, why would Ennis bring it back? Just because he defended well? Gal's down there all the time and was a great defender too, alongside Fifita and I think Lewis sometimes from that 2016 side that defended well. Not sure Ennis would make a difference.

IMO, our defence was poor because we often allowed second phase/quick play the balls through the middle. We did that because our middle forwards were barely ever fit. Give us a full season with our first choice pack and I think we'd see significant improvement.

Yeah we also had a high error rate which doesn't help.

Sevshark · Nov 30, 2023

Proud Shark said:
Genuine question, why would Ennis bring it back? Just because he defended well? Gal's down there all the time and was a great defender too, alongside Fifita and I think Lewis sometimes from that 2016 side that defended well. Not sure Ennis would make a difference.

IMO, our defence was poor because we often allowed second phase/quick play the balls through the middle. We did that because our middle forwards were barely ever fit. Give us a full season with our first choice pack and I think we'd see significant improvement.

If 2016's defence is what we need maybe we should bring back the guy who was in charge of it.
Think his name was Steve Price.

Hold on a second...

BurgoShark · Nov 30, 2023

Sharkfox said:
Their defense and resilience changed and improved. Last year they would fade out in games and had weaknesses in their defensive structures. Ballin played a big part focussing on defense. He also helped with the attack.
Defense was part of our dna also, would've been good if we got Ennis as an assistant to try bring it back. Defense should be our main focus on the off season and next year

I'm sure the new assistants at Brisbane made some difference. There were many other factors too.

You know what they say right? People who confuse correlation with causation all end up dead.

Sharkfox · Nov 30, 2023

Proud Shark said:
Genuine question, why would Ennis bring it back? Just because he defended well? Gal's down there all the time and was a great defender too, alongside Fifita and I think Lewis sometimes from that 2016 side that defended well. Not sure Ennis would make a difference.

IMO, our defence was poor because we often allowed second phase/quick play the balls through the middle. We did that because our middle forwards were barely ever fit. Give us a full season with our first choice pack and I think we'd see significant improvement.

I think he would have good footy i.q trying to balance and work out defensive and attacking structures, being a former dummy half. He has also had some experience in coaching and development. Maybe he couldve helped Brailey, Berrell and Healey with further development also. See how Manly goes next year

Agree with the forwards fitness in the middle, high error rate and having an inconsistent teamlist. Need a toiler or someone to tighten up the middle. Start with 2 dummy half system

Sharkfox · Nov 30, 2023

BurgoShark said:
I'm sure the new assistants at Brisbane made some difference. There were many other factors too.

You know what they say right? People who confuse correlation with causation all end up dead.

Of course, including the head coach and clubs new direction or gameplan. Ballin was brought in to help with that, help make their defensive structures better and balanced with the attack

bort · Nov 30, 2023

Sharkfox said:
Of course, including the head coach and clubs new direction or gameplan. Ballin was brought in to help with that, help make their defensive structures better and balanced with the attack

Maybe they hired Ballin because they thought he'd be good at the job. You seem to have inside knowledge he has helped them in multiple facets.

But maybe we hired Ennis in a different job and not this job because A) he was good at the other job and not necessarily this job B) he wasn't interested in this job (either professionally or due to time crunch with media commitments) C) we already employ someone we think is good at this job D) some mixture of all/some of the above

Maybe Cowboys hired Maloney because they don't realise what an annoying little **** he is but Cronulla know first hand

Proud Shark · Nov 30, 2023

Sharkfox said:
I think he would have good footy i.q trying to balance and work out defensive and attacking structures, being a former dummy half. He has also had some experience in coaching and development. Maybe he couldve helped Brailey, Berrell and Healey with further development also. See how Manly goes next year

Agree with the forwards fitness in the middle, high error rate and having an inconsistent teamlist. Need a toiler or someone to tighten up the middle. Start with 2 dummy half system

I think that guy is Finucane, who missed way too much time this season.

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