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Sevshark · Mar 21, 2023

bort said:
Lucky you edited to keep it to just the one extra post with no information

I'm convinced when people say we need 'an enforcer' or 'more mongrel' what they mean is they want one of the top 10 or so props in the game.

Drop him for enforcing? For showing mongrel?
Our props should just let themselves get pushed over?
Seeing real mixed messages in here

Maybe don't lump different people's opinions into one argument bort, might help.

He didn't enforce anything but pressure on our defensive line.

bort · Mar 21, 2023

snowman said:
royce didnt show mongrel though

he showed he is a ****ing idiot who is like a fish to a worm

So mongrel is aggression but only when you want it, that same player should just let themselves be pushed over by their opposition number?

If he'd managed to get a good punch away (difficult when you are being held and the guy you want to hit is keeping his distance) would that make it mongrel?

I'm just trying to get a clear definition of what mongrel is that is supposedly the main thing we are missing.
As I said, it always seems to be something intangible that belongs to the best players in the position.

Would JFH or JWH let Horse push them to the ground and then just scurry back to the defensive line with their tail between their legs?

Yeah he got baited, then missed his punch, then we conceded, then he got binned. Awful series of events for us/him.
Can't have our players just being thrown around in back play though either.

Sevshark said:
Maybe don't lump different people's opinions into one argument bort, might help.

He didn't enforce anything but pressure on our defensive line.

I literally said I am seeing mixed messages. Not sure how saying people are saying different things equals lumping opinions together.
So that didn't help at all, but appreciate the thought.

He (attempted) to enforce our team not being pushed around.

Proud Shark · Mar 21, 2023

HaroldBishop said:
Our deep roster could actually be a weakness.

Cut depth a bit and have another star player or two.

Yes, depth struggles but you need luck with injuries to win the comp.

Yeah I think this is the best point. The cowboys are in a similar spot too. I'd say as far as top 30s go, we are probably in the top 2/3 sides. But when it comes to top 17, or even more importantly top 13 we definitely slip back to 5th or 6th.

This puts us in a spot where we need other teams to have poor runs with injury to be a chance, rather than we just need to stay healthy.

1-17 I think Penrith, Roosters, Melbourne and Souths are stronger sides for a finals run than we are. I think we sit in the next tier with Parra, Cowboys and probably the Broncos this year.

Sevshark · Mar 21, 2023

bort said:
I literally said I am seeing mixed messages. Not sure how saying people are saying different things equals lumping opinions together.
So that didn't help at all, but appreciate the thought.

He (attempted) to enforce our team not being pushed around.

I'm not seeing any mixed messages.

Thresh wants to sign a prop who is an enforcer. I.e someone who knows when and how to use their aggression.

I think Royce is an idiot and should be dropped. For not knowing how to use his aggression correctly.

Sound like very similar opinions for mine...

You're the only one mixing messages here, by reworking other peoples posts into questions that don't even help your arguement, whatever it's even supposed to be.

Sparkles · Mar 21, 2023

Sevshark said:
I'm not seeing any mixed messages.

Thresh wants to sign a prop who is an enforcer. I.e someone who knows when and how to use their aggression.

I think Royce is an idiot and should be dropped. For not knowing how to use his aggression correctly.

Sound like very similar opinions for mine...

You're the only one mixing messages here, by reworking other peoples posts into questions that don't even help your arguement, whatever it's even supposed to be.

Is that a verbal punch or just a push? Not sure how to grade this conversation

Wiz · Mar 21, 2023

snowman said:
we have posed a question on twitter for tonights podcast but i wanted to open it up here:

the reason i ask, i claimed we had the deepest roster in the league and expected us to give a real good crack at the title

let us know your thoughts or hit us with a question

Truth is we are a 6th place team generally and a 4th placed team on a good day

This year is no different - in fact Fitz will look worse this year if he can’t turn things around against good teams

Sparkles · Mar 21, 2023

Wizard said:
Truth is we are a 6th place team generally and a 4th placed team on a good day

This year is no different - in fact Fitz will look worse this year if he can’t turn things around against good teams

The day we finished 2nd must have been something else

Wiz · Mar 21, 2023

HaroldBishop said:
Our deep roster could actually be a weakness.

Cut depth a bit and have another star player or two.

Yes, depth struggles but you need luck with injuries to win the comp.

We have a TON of middle of the road players - just above the average tier but a way below the elite tier

We are deep but the talent is not deep it’s just we are very even across the park ; this is why I like trindall over Moylan he is a good point of difference because he can actually make a difference

Wiz · Mar 21, 2023

Sparkles said:
The day we finished 2nd must have been something else

The day we got bundled out in straight sets made more sense

Wiz · Mar 21, 2023

bort said:
So mongrel is aggression but only when you want it, that same player should just let themselves be pushed over by their opposition number?

If he'd managed to get a good punch away (difficult when you are being held and the guy you want to hit is keeping his distance) would that make it mongrel?

I'm just trying to get a clear definition of what mongrel is that is supposedly the main thing we are missing.
As I said, it always seems to be something intangible that belongs to the best players in the position.

Would JFH or JWH let Horse push them to the ground and then just scurry back to the defensive line with their tail between their legs?

Yeah he got baited, then missed his punch, then we conceded, then he got binned. Awful series of events for us/him.
Can't have our players just being thrown around in back play though either.

I literally said I am seeing mixed messages. Not sure how saying people are saying different things equals lumping opinions together.
So that didn't help at all, but appreciate the thought.

He (attempted) to enforce our team not being pushed around.

It’s not hard - you are making a simple thing very complicated.

A forward who has a presence, uses that presence in a smart way and lets the other team know he’s out there to cause damage with big runs, strong hits and not get easily tricked into silly play ; intimidation is apart of their game

There are plenty of these

Haas
Fisher Harris
That lock for the cowboys who had a good year last year can’t remember his name but played for qld and killed it
Lodge
Bromwich
Kaufusi (when he doesn’t redline)
NAS (same as Kaufusi)
If you’re still confused then think
Matt Prior
Gallen

The list goes on

Sparkles · Mar 21, 2023

Wizard said:
Broken record

Not sure you hit the right target, Wiz

Milkshark · Mar 21, 2023

Alot of people were saying Sharks came 2nd due to an easy draw.

They were then swept out of the finals.

They were right.

Sparkles · Mar 21, 2023

Wizard said:
It’s not hard - you are making a simple thing very complicated.

A forward who has a presence, uses that presence in a smart way and lets the other team know he’s out there to cause damage with big runs, strong hits and not get easily tricked into silly play ; intimidation is apart of their game

There are plenty of these

Haas
Fisher Harris
That lock for the cowboys who had a good year last year can’t remember his name but played for qld and killed it
Lodge
Bromwich
Kaufusi (when he doesn’t redline)
NAS (same as Kaufusi)
If you’re still confused then think
Matt Prior
Gallen

The list goes on

****... we wrote close to the same post at the same time. I'm going to need some time to process this...

bort · Mar 21, 2023

Sevshark said:
I'm not seeing any mixed messages.

Thresh wants to sign a prop who is an enforcer. I.e someone who knows when and how to use their aggression.

I think Royce is an idiot and should be dropped. For not knowing how to use his aggression correctly.

Sound like very similar opinions for mine...

You're the only one mixing messages here, by reworking other peoples posts into questions that don't even help your arguement, whatever it's even supposed to be.

You're applying a definition to enforcer which Thresh wasn't able to provide himself. He said just someone who enforces, nothing about how/when. Is the enforcer Thresh wants someone who would just let the other teams prop push them around and do nothing?
My guess is if that was asked before this Hunt incident the answer would have been no.

Apparently it was unreasonable of me to refer to more than one opinion in a single post but there is a sense from some in here we need more aggression, and 'mongrel' has been a key word from some, and I don't think when people say that they envisage a bloke who lets themselves get bullied.

Sevshark said:
Maybe don't lump different people's opinions into one argument bort, might help.

Sevshark said:
Sound like very similar opinions for mine...

First you said I lumped different opinions in together then when I said you had different messages you have decided you had very similar opinions. Apparently my point doesn't help my argument, yet you don't even know what it is.
I don't know what about my comment was so problematic for you, and it feels like you don't either.
I'm happy to have a discussion but if you don't even understand my point why are you so sure you're against it?

My first thought actually was also that he should be dropped for being so badly baited. I've gone away from that but I don't think it is an outrageous opinion at all. I never said I disagreed with it, or that it was wrong, you've taken me saying it conflicts with what other people have said so much worse than I would anticipated.

egg · Mar 21, 2023

Thresher said:
A prop who is an enforcer.

I think Thresh was alluding to re-signing this fella

Mark Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

bort · Mar 21, 2023

egg said:
I think Thresh was alluding to re-signing this fella

Mark Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Mexico was noted for his hard and aggressive style of play in his three games during this World Cup, but made no contribution to the scoring in any of the games."

jeeze why did they have to do him like that in the wiki, what an unnecessary detail haha

Thresher · Mar 21, 2023

bort said:
You're applying a definition to enforcer which Thresh wasn't able to provide himself. He said just someone who enforces, nothing about how/when. Is the enforcer Thresh wants someone who would just let the other teams prop push them around and do nothing?
My guess is if that was asked before this Hunt incident the answer would have been no.

Apparently it was unreasonable of me to refer to more than one opinion in a single post but there is a sense from some in here we need more aggression, and 'mongrel' has been a key word from some, and I don't think when people say that they envisage a bloke who lets themselves get bullied.

I gave a very adequate response to your question. I didn't know you wanted me to write a thesis on the subject.

bort · Mar 21, 2023

Thresher said:
I gave a very adequate response to your question. I didn't know you wanted me to write a thesis on the subject.

I asked for a definition, not a thesis but don't worry you're off the hook as far as explaining the difference!

Thresher · Mar 21, 2023

bort said:
I asked for a definition, not a thesis but don't worry you're off the hook as far as explaining the difference!

I gave you a definition:

bort said:
bort said:

What is an enforcer prop?

Click to expand...

A prop who is an enforcer.

The same kind of definition as customers get when they ask questions at the Toup Kitchen
e.g.

Q. What's in your Waldorf Salad?

A. Waldorf Salad.

bort · Mar 21, 2023

Thresher said:
I gave you a definition:

The same kind of definition as customers get when they ask questions at the Toup Kitchen
e.g.

Really milking this one for the post count aren't you

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